Here’s a full list of what will be announced with the Canon EOS R3 this month

Earlier, you correctly stated that it’s the low-end ILC sales —entry-level APS-C models— that determine who leads in terms of market share, i.e., market domination. Now you’re claiming that market domination drives people switching brands to get ‘the absolute best gear’. So, you are saying that whoever sells the most entry-level cameras makes the absolute best gear. That’s the top-notch logic we’ve come to expect from you.
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The new lens price hikes for this month probably do not bode well for anyone hoping the R3 will be a bargain.

CPW's new price list:
 
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The new lens price hikes for this month probably do not bode well for anyone hoping the R3 will be a bargain.

CPW's new price list:
On the plus side it's nice knowing our investments in these lenses is holding strong.
 
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This is false. Market domination is definitely relevant. It's the reason people who want the absolute best gear switch brands. With the new raw compression canon has, the raw files from my 45mp r5 are between 15mb-25mb, smaller than the raw files from my sony a9ii 24mp camera. They could have definitely made the R3 30mp and made it slightly more future proof. In it's current state(and assuming it is $6k) it will be a pass for a lot of people who would have otherwise bought if it were 30mp-ish. The point of higher MP is cropping ability which translates into extra reach if you need it. Very few people will actually print a 45mp image.
"Tell people you have zero industry experience and don't know what you're talking about, without saying you have zero industry experience and don't know what you're talking about."

A 400mm f/5.6 requires an element of not less than 400/5.6 mm, ie 71.4mm so you can't have one with a 67mm front size.

Read the second half of the sentence you quoted.

RF 16 2.8 with 43mm filter ?
I think this is an EF-M lens or a lens for an R APS-C camera.
Or it has 5+ stops of vignetting at f/8.

The smart money says #3. Just look at how every other recent wide-angle Canon lens operates, and multiply that by how every other manufacturer compromises on optics to create compact lenses.

They're not going to announce APS-C RF (not R; that was a Canon mount in the early 60s!) lenses until they have an APS-C RF body to show, and given how all of this has leaked out well ahead of announcement but a body hasn't, it's safe to say there's no APS-C RF body on the horizon.
EF-M is basically abandonware at this point. Nobody should expect any new EF-M products. I'm not going to go as far as to say Canon have formally shuttered the product line—they still have existing stock to sell—but they're clearly not working on any new products and are only paying the current ones lip service. Once the RF line has moved on to the point the original RP can be priced at under the £800 mark (which may be as soon as the next year) I bet they will then officially call quits on EF-M. There's no point competing with themselves.

RF 16 2.8 with IS would have been great for video and vlogging
with e.g. an RP ... but maybe that is a non-market-

The handheld video market mostly buys zooms, and Canon have the 14-35mm f/4L IS that they're trying to sell people on. As woefully overpriced as that lens is, they still seem to be pushing that as some kind of 'bargain' as well as the lightweight video option, and they won't undercut that advertising with a cheaper and smaller lens like this. For the people who want even smaller, lighter and cheaper, they still have that leftover EOS M-series stock to get rid of.
What I expect is they'll show it doing video on the R6 or R5, then they'll show it being used for street & lifestyle photos on the RP. That way they can show how small it and the RP can be together, while still implying it can be good for video without having to acknowledge the lack of stabilisation. Canon are very experienced at showing new products in very specific ways to maximise implied capability without admitting the realities of those uses.
 
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On the plus side it's nice knowing our investments in these lenses is holding strong.
Right... Investments!
I wonder how this $100 increase would compare to the gains from investing the same cost as the lens when it came out in traditional investment methods, like the stock market. Something tells me the $100 would fall short unless I kept it in a low interest savings account.
Of course the value gotten from owning and receiving the lenses is priceless, so always best to "invest" in glass as it brings more joy.
 
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Agreed. To launch the R3 with lower end budget lenses implies that the R3 is also lower end, which does not seem right. Hopefully there will be some surprise lenses added to the announcement.
The announcement of one is not a reflection on the other. The price of the body itself is enough to convince it is not lower end.
 
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Right... Investments!
I wonder how this $100 increase would compare to the gains from investing the same cost as the lens when it came out in traditional investment methods, like the stock market. Something tells me the $100 would fall short unless I kept it in a low interest savings account.
Of course the value gotten from owning and receiving the lenses is priceless, so always best to "invest" in glass as it brings more joy.
After B&H offered me $1100 for my pristine RF 50mm f/1.2, I decided to see how much I could get on the market in a private sale. Turns out that number was about $1800, effectively meaning I rented it for $125/year since I ordered it day 1. The used market is nuts right now for lenses as with cars. If I can ever get the RF 100 - 500 shipped to me, I will be able to unload the last of my EF zooms along with the TC's.
 
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The announcement of one is not a reflection on the other. The price of the body itself is enough to convince it is not lower end.
It makes sense for Canon to announce items that pair nicely with the R3 at the same time as the R3. The R3 has a new hot shoe so we expect to see new accessories that are part of that theme (speedlight/SL transmitters, new microphone, etc.)
I personally think it's odd that a higher end camera is being announced alongside lower end lenses, and hope to see more lenses (and a new speedlight) included as part of this announcement event. That may not happen.
 
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Sadly, yes. An accessory being listed doesn't mean that accessory will be included. The R3 is not going to include a flash transmitter, hotshoe mic and 3 different straps in the box.
Every other major lens maker includes a lens hood with their lenses. Why are Canon such misers with their non-L lenses and still are selling them as overpriced extras??
 
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...I personally think it's odd that a higher end camera is being announced alongside lower end lenses, and hope to see more lenses (and a new speedlight) included as part of this announcement event. That may not happen.
Canon already has the 400 f2.8, 600 f4, 100-500 zoom, and two 70-200 zooms. At the wide end they just released the 14-35 and already had the 15-35 2.8. They announced a new professional level speedlite not that long ago. The 100-400 should appeal to some who want a lighter lens. I'm guessing they feel like they pretty much have things covered for sports shooters for the time being.
 
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Read the second half of the sentence you quoted.
Please explain it as it is written in jargon and not readily understandable to the non-specialist reader. I don't understand how a lens can have an f-number that is lower (wider) than the simple equation of f-number = focal length/entrance pupil. The 24-105 and 24-240mm that you quote have apertures diameters wide enough. So, I'd like to learn
 
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