30 or 32 Megapixels... That's great for a 5d Mark III but a 1Ds... I don't know, I'm not impressed.
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elusive1 said:
6 months seems really crazy between an announcement and the release date, I think all previous Canon cameras have announced it, then hit stores around 2 months later.
Only exception was probably the 8-15mm, announced at the end of August with a planned release date of January. A lens they can get away with, a new body they can't. Would give competition way too much time to put out something new that would take away from sales in the meantime.
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Keep in mind that we aren't talking about entry level. The intended customer can't simply buy the other product on the shelf. Knowing whats coming would make it easier not to think to much about the new toys on the other side, just as the 200-400/4 mock up helps people not to get too tempted by the Nikkor.
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A couple of things.
I wonder what people mean by "merging" the 1D and 1Ds lines. The 1D isn't even two years old. I'm not aware of any reason Canon would need to replace that body. So, it makes sense to me that they will continue to sell the 1D for as long as photographers buy it.
I can't see them making an announcement that they are abandoning the line, rather I expect them to simply let it go until the demand no longer justifies making the body. You can still get a Canon EOS-1V film camera from Adorama. We may never see an updated 1D, but I would be surprised if Canon made a formal announcement that they are abandoning the format.
Next, I have a question for those who need more megapixels. Is 32 mp enough? Could this be the worst of both worlds? Too large of files for photojournalists, not enough megapixels for studio shooters? If I'm doing the math right, this scales out to about 12mp in APS-C. That doesn't seem that groundbreaking.
Not criticisms. Not even a strong opinion as this camera is never going to be in my budget. But, just some thoughts.
I wonder what people mean by "merging" the 1D and 1Ds lines. The 1D isn't even two years old. I'm not aware of any reason Canon would need to replace that body. So, it makes sense to me that they will continue to sell the 1D for as long as photographers buy it.
I can't see them making an announcement that they are abandoning the line, rather I expect them to simply let it go until the demand no longer justifies making the body. You can still get a Canon EOS-1V film camera from Adorama. We may never see an updated 1D, but I would be surprised if Canon made a formal announcement that they are abandoning the format.
Next, I have a question for those who need more megapixels. Is 32 mp enough? Could this be the worst of both worlds? Too large of files for photojournalists, not enough megapixels for studio shooters? If I'm doing the math right, this scales out to about 12mp in APS-C. That doesn't seem that groundbreaking.
Not criticisms. Not even a strong opinion as this camera is never going to be in my budget. But, just some thoughts.
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Merging makes a lot of sense - especially in the pro area. The product cycles (can you say that in english??) in the pro segment are quite(!!!) long. The 1DS is 4 years old. In terms of digital quipment this is an eternity. The development is quite fast here. And especially the pro users don't want to wait that long for new features.
But development costs a lot of money. So it's better to have jsut one high-level product instead of two and add fill up the product line with "lower" cameras. Canon splitted the 50D to the 60D and the 7D and they relased a new series 1xxxD and on so it wouldn't be THAT far out to merge two lines on the other end of the line.
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unfocused said:
With the 7D around, people who need a sport camera have a great camera with capable auto-focus. Maybe Canon know the next 7DII will have the 45 point AF or something even better. For those who need range, the 1.6x is also a nice thing. So why keep the 1D around?
unfocused said:
Yes, Canon would not stop selling the 1D. But it would be cheaper than the new 1Ds and when the 7DII is out, maybe it will do 10fps and have close to the same weather sealing
unfocused said:
32mp is not a bad bump up from 21... Photo-journaliste can use sRAW file. The way I see it... 5fps @ 32mp and 10fps @ lower resolution. So when you need high res for landscape shoot full RAW. When you need quick action, you can sacrifice rez for speed. Anyway who need a serie of 3000 volleyball photos in 32mp...
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Damn, I thought I missed a firmware upgrade or something. Your point is valid.Shnookums said:akiskev said:
It doesnt? My bad~ I dont have a 5DII. But it does 30fps @ 1080p. My point was that when lowering the resolution by binding pixel together, the 5DII can read its sensor faster.
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30+ Mpx means at least 35MB files x 10 = 350MB.
My SanDisk 128GB PRO UDMA7 memory card is capable of writing up to 110MBps,
if you have two cards in parallel you can achieve up to 220MBps.
You can of course have a faster buffer, but this buffer would have to be pretty large.
For me the most important factor is what the camera is capable of delivering to the
memory card over time, not only to the buffer.
My SSD harddisk, which currently is the fastest in the world, the OCZ 240GB IOPS SSD,
can write up to 500MBps. Maybe if bringing a computer out in the field you could connect
your 1Ds Mk4 via USB 3.0 and be able to write 10fps @ 30Mpx. But I will not do it !
I just don't get it why Canon cannot jump of the megapixel wagon and leave their
camera at max 25Mpx. Who on earth needs more?
More important is better ISO performance, CONSIDERABLY BETTER ISO PERFORMANCE !!!,
and SPEED !! on a full frame pro body!
My SanDisk 128GB PRO UDMA7 memory card is capable of writing up to 110MBps,
if you have two cards in parallel you can achieve up to 220MBps.
You can of course have a faster buffer, but this buffer would have to be pretty large.
For me the most important factor is what the camera is capable of delivering to the
memory card over time, not only to the buffer.
My SSD harddisk, which currently is the fastest in the world, the OCZ 240GB IOPS SSD,
can write up to 500MBps. Maybe if bringing a computer out in the field you could connect
your 1Ds Mk4 via USB 3.0 and be able to write 10fps @ 30Mpx. But I will not do it !
I just don't get it why Canon cannot jump of the megapixel wagon and leave their
camera at max 25Mpx. Who on earth needs more?
More important is better ISO performance, CONSIDERABLY BETTER ISO PERFORMANCE !!!,
and SPEED !! on a full frame pro body!
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messus said:
CFast cards are much faster than SD or CF cards. Problem is they have not been used in camera yet. But chances are its mainly because they were not needed yet.
Also, It doesnt mean that 30mp and 10fps has to happen at the same time. Sacrifice resolution for speed could be a good compromise that already exist in the 1D vs 1Ds line.
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Shnookums said:
That could also I spose have the benefit of making it easier to differentiate product lines with AF...
Pro Grade - 1Ds & 7D
Current 7D Standard - 5D and xxD
Current Basic - xxxD and xxxxD
The same could be true with FPS aswell, a 1Ds Mk4 with 10 FPS vs say a 5D mk3 with 5 FPS provides much more of a differentiation than they currently have.
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