Canon Announces the EOS Rebel T6 (1300D)

[slclick]

The idea that beginners photographers, or people on a budget, can't figure out there are better options, and that they will keep gullibly buying Canon Parts Bin cameras, is a very demeaning way to think about photographers...people can read spec sheets, people have information, people will realize this camera is not up to par.

Once again you demonstrate a top-noth misunderstanding of the target market.

People defending this is like people defending Nokia when smartphones came out.
"People are still going to buy Nokia en masse, people don't care about specs, the average person only knows Nokia"
That ended well.

YAPODFC. :

*groan* spec sheets again....


I think it's great when people research purchases, especially before they break into a new hobby or craft. And some of us may be surrounded by those types of people... leading us to the possible conclusion that it is basic human nature to do so. Reality check, it's not. Impulse is far more a common and preyed upon mode of purchasing. But you're smart and you knew that already.

 

[Schwingi]

Food mode... The price is imho still to high for the tech in it.

 

[Mars1954]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

 

[Nininini]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

Which is why these arguments people use make no sense.

The instagram and snapchat crowd has long moved on beyond these camera, they're using smartphones, and if they want a dedicated camera, they are looking at mirrorless they can carry in their pocket.

People who are looking at DSLR, are already looking at specs, the mere fact someone is interested in a DSLR, means they already feel that the "spec" and "performance" of their smartphone is not adequate.

So the idea, that specs don't matter for entry level DSLR, reeks of ignorance.

And the idea that a "food mode" is going to bring over people to the DSLR market, reeks of more ignorance on Canon their part. There are a BAZILLION and one apps on smartphones that can create certain effects. The Snapchat and Instagram market is something Canon already lost years ago to smartphones.

And one of the reason Canon lost the point and shoot market, and soon the entry level DSLR market, is ironically specs. DSLR were way too late to incorporate WiFi, people want to instantly share pictures online. Canon didn't understand this. They didn't get how important that is. Smartphones could do it, canon cameras couldn't.

Same way they don't understand how adding 60FPS and 120FPS is important, I see soooooooo many 120 and 240 fps clips online, it is an incredibly popular feature on the iPhone, but canon can't even be bothered to put 60FPS on this camera.

Currently Canon is walking the same path as Nokia did, incredibly slow to innovate, tired old designs, unaware and seemingly uninterested in the competition, and that's scary.

 

[bdunbar79]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

Which is why these arguments people use make no sense.

The instagram and snapchat crowd has long moved on beyond these camera, they're using smartphones, and if they want a dedicated camera, they are looking at mirrorless they can carry in their pocket.

People who are looking at DSLR, are already looking at specs, the mere fact someone is interested in a DSLR, means they already feel that the "spec" and "performance" of their smartphone is not adequate.

So the idea, that specs don't matter for entry level DSLR, reeks of ignorance.

And the idea that a "food mode" is going to bring over people to the DSLR market, reeks of more ignorance on Canon their part. There are a BAZILLION and one apps on smartphones that can create certain effects. The Snapchat and Instagram market is something Canon already lost years ago to smartphones.

And one of the reason Canon lost the point and shoot market, and soon the entry level DSLR market, is ironically specs. DSLR were way too late to incorporate WiFi, people want to instantly share pictures online. Canon didn't understand this. They didn't get how important that is. Smartphones could do it, canon cameras couldn't.

Same way they don't understand how adding 60FPS and 120FPS is important, I see soooooooo many 120 and 240 fps clips online, it is an incredibly popular feature on the iPhone, but canon can't even be bothered to put 60FPS on this camera.

Currently Canon is walking the same path as Nokia did, and that's scary.

Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that. Gee, if only Canon had just put Wifi in their DSLR's then nobody would have bought smartphones and used them to take and share photos. Haha! Oh my sides hurt!

 

[Nininini]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

Which is why these arguments people use make no sense.

The instagram and snapchat crowd has long moved on beyond these camera, they're using smartphones, and if they want a dedicated camera, they are looking at mirrorless they can carry in their pocket.

People who are looking at DSLR, are already looking at specs, the mere fact someone is interested in a DSLR, means they already feel that the "spec" and "performance" of their smartphone is not adequate.

So the idea, that specs don't matter for entry level DSLR, reeks of ignorance.

And the idea that a "food mode" is going to bring over people to the DSLR market, reeks of more ignorance on Canon their part. There are a BAZILLION and one apps on smartphones that can create certain effects. The Snapchat and Instagram market is something Canon already lost years ago to smartphones.

And one of the reason Canon lost the point and shoot market, and soon the entry level DSLR market, is ironically specs. DSLR were way too late to incorporate WiFi, people want to instantly share pictures online. Canon didn't understand this. They didn't get how important that is. Smartphones could do it, canon cameras couldn't.

Same way they don't understand how adding 60FPS and 120FPS is important, I see soooooooo many 120 and 240 fps clips online, it is an incredibly popular feature on the iPhone, but canon can't even be bothered to put 60FPS on this camera.

Currently Canon is walking the same path as Nokia did, and that's scary.

Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that. Gee, if only Canon had just put Wifi in their DSLR's then nobody would have bought smartphones and used them to take and share photos. Haha! Oh my sides hurt!

People want to instantly share pictures and video, on Snapchat, on Instagram, on Youtube.

The old guard buying L lenses will not keep Canon afloat forever. Canon either attracts a new audience and looks at where the market is going or they will be the next Nokia.

People care about WiFi, they care about sharing picture, they care about being connected. If you don't understand how important that is to young people, you must either be living in a cave or you're completely out of touch with what the new generation of photographers want.

So yes, Canon dropped the ball completely back then, they realized way waaay too late how important instantly sharing of pictures and WiFi was.

 

[slclick]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

Which is why these arguments people use make no sense.

The instagram and snapchat crowd has long moved on beyond these camera, they're using smartphones, and if they want a dedicated camera, they are looking at mirrorless they can carry in their pocket.

People who are looking at DSLR, are already looking at specs, the mere fact someone is interested in a DSLR, means they already feel that the "spec" and "performance" of their smartphone is not adequate.

So the idea, that specs don't matter for entry level DSLR, reeks of ignorance.

And the idea that a "food mode" is going to bring over people to the DSLR market, reeks of more ignorance on Canon their part. There are a BAZILLION and one apps on smartphones that can create certain effects. The Snapchat and Instagram market is something Canon already lost years ago to smartphones.

And one of the reason Canon lost the point and shoot market, and soon the entry level DSLR market, is ironically specs. DSLR were way too late to incorporate WiFi, people want to instantly share pictures online. Canon didn't understand this. They didn't get how important that is. Smartphones could do it, canon cameras couldn't.

Same way they don't understand how adding 60FPS and 120FPS is important, I see soooooooo many 120 and 240 fps clips online, it is an incredibly popular feature on the iPhone, but canon can't even be bothered to put 60FPS on this camera.

Currently Canon is walking the same path as Nokia did, and that's scary.

Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that. Gee, if only Canon had just put Wifi in their DSLR's then nobody would have bought smartphones and used them to take and share photos. Haha! Oh my sides hurt!

People want to instantly share pictures and video, on Snapchat, on Instagram, on Youtube.

The old guard buying L lenses will not keep Canon afloat forever. Canon either attracts a new audience and looks at where the market is going or they will be the next Nokia.

People care about WiFi, they care about sharing picture, they care about being connected. If you don't understand how important that is to young people, you must either be living in a cave or you're completely out of touch with what the new generation of photographers want.

So yes, Canon dropped the ball completely back then, they realized way waaay too late how important instantly sharing of pictures and WiFi was.

The 'Old Guard' as you say has never kept Canon afloat, just the opposite, it's the Rebel Series buyers and more than them, the Powershot and Elph consumers who keep Canon #1 in sales.

 

[Loswr]

The 'Old Guard' as you say has never kept Canon afloat, just the opposite, it's the Rebel Series buyers and more than them, the Powershot and Elph consumers who keep Canon #1 in sales.

+1, but like I said some people here just know so much more than Canon about selling cameras... :

 

[AvTvM]

Wow Canon! First camera that works without film! First camera with a mirror flapping inside! First camera ever with built-in wireless network! Wow, wow, wow ... So innovative! Only Canon could ever build such a marvel of technology.

Where can I pre-order?

 

[Loswr]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

Everyone is bashing Food Mode without giving it a chance. Here's a example from a beta version of the T6 running pre-release firmware. One might reasonably expect the production version might be even better...maybe.

 

[Nininini]

Powershot and Elph consumers who keep Canon #1 in sales

The compact camera market has not been relevant in years.

It completely crashed because of smartphones.

 

[bdunbar79]

Food mode it seems that 99.9% of people who post the food images on social media are taking them with a camera phone! Canon do you really think that this mode is going to bring those people over to the DSLR world really????

Which is why these arguments people use make no sense.

The instagram and snapchat crowd has long moved on beyond these camera, they're using smartphones, and if they want a dedicated camera, they are looking at mirrorless they can carry in their pocket.

People who are looking at DSLR, are already looking at specs, the mere fact someone is interested in a DSLR, means they already feel that the "spec" and "performance" of their smartphone is not adequate.

So the idea, that specs don't matter for entry level DSLR, reeks of ignorance.

And the idea that a "food mode" is going to bring over people to the DSLR market, reeks of more ignorance on Canon their part. There are a BAZILLION and one apps on smartphones that can create certain effects. The Snapchat and Instagram market is something Canon already lost years ago to smartphones.

And one of the reason Canon lost the point and shoot market, and soon the entry level DSLR market, is ironically specs. DSLR were way too late to incorporate WiFi, people want to instantly share pictures online. Canon didn't understand this. They didn't get how important that is. Smartphones could do it, canon cameras couldn't.

Same way they don't understand how adding 60FPS and 120FPS is important, I see soooooooo many 120 and 240 fps clips online, it is an incredibly popular feature on the iPhone, but canon can't even be bothered to put 60FPS on this camera.

Currently Canon is walking the same path as Nokia did, and that's scary.

Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that. Gee, if only Canon had just put Wifi in their DSLR's then nobody would have bought smartphones and used them to take and share photos. Haha! Oh my sides hurt!

People want to instantly share pictures and video, on Snapchat, on Instagram, on Youtube.

The old guard buying L lenses will not keep Canon afloat forever. Canon either attracts a new audience and looks at where the market is going or they will be the next Nokia.

People care about WiFi, they care about sharing picture, they care about being connected. If you don't understand how important that is to young people, you must either be living in a cave or you're completely out of touch with what the new generation of photographers want.

So yes, Canon dropped the ball completely back then, they realized way waaay too late how important instantly sharing of pictures and WiFi was.

Out of touch? Watch out for that swinging mirror! It might slap your head!

I think what you don't get and never will, is that even if Canon put Wifi in entry-level DSLR's, or ANY DSLR for that matter, that would not stop those purchasing smart phones for photography purposes. They're getting a smart phone anyways and people who only want to use a camera on their phone are long gone from the market and are not considering a DSLR.

Uh oh, here comes that mirror again!

 

[photonius]

Food mode! Finally a camera that makes toast and coffee.

Canon Engineers have anticipated that the new T7 (1400D) will be more politically correct and offer a "vegan food mode", a "fishetarian food mode" and maybe a "gluten-free food mode"!

Yup indeed, if Canon would have been trendy, this should have been in the T6. As usual, Canon is late to the party.

 

[Nininini]

People want to instantly share pictures and video, on Snapchat, on Instagram, on Youtube.

The old guard buying L lenses will not keep Canon afloat forever. Canon either attracts a new audience and looks at where the market is going or they will be the next Nokia.

People care about WiFi, they care about sharing picture, they care about being connected. If you don't understand how important that is to young people, you must either be living in a cave or you're completely out of touch with what the new generation of photographers want.

So yes, Canon dropped the ball completely back then, they realized way waaay too late how important instantly sharing of pictures and WiFi was.

I think what you don't get and never will, is that even if Canon put Wifi in entry-level DSLR's, or ANY DSLR for that matter, that would not stop those purchasing smart phones for photography purposes. They're getting a smart phone anyways and people who only want to use a camera on their phone are long gone from the market and are not considering a DSLR.

Huh? Of course people are going to buy smartphones. I think everyone gets that. Most people with DSLR have a smartphone too.

But it is undeniable, that WiFi is a feature people WANT in their camera, in BOTH dedicated cameras AND smartphones.

And the fact canon was so late with WiFi, way behind smartphones, and the fact they implemented it so badly at first, surely hurt their sales.

No one is arguing that people wouldn't buy smartphones, of course they would. But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

 

[Loswr]

But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

Gee, you forgot megapixels. Nokia offers more MP — MORE VALUE!!! — than most dSLRs.

Does looking at the world through myopic SPECtacles give you a headache? ???

 

[unfocused]

But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

Gee, you forgot megapixels. Nokia offers more MP — MORE VALUE!!! — than most dSLRs.

Does looking at the world through myopic SPECtacles give you a headache? ???

Ah yes...here we go again, when logic fails, rely on sarcasm.

 

[Loswr]

But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

Gee, you forgot megapixels. Nokia offers more MP — MORE VALUE!!! — than most dSLRs.

Does looking at the world through myopic SPECtacles give you a headache? ???

Ah yes...here we go again, when logic fails, rely on falls on uncomprehending eyes, try sarcasm.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[slclick]

Powershot and Elph consumers who keep Canon #1 in sales

The compact camera market has not been relevant in years.

It completely crashed because of smartphones.

My post concerned sales figures...I didn't mention marketshare or competing products, which your graph represents. Your point is well understood. It just wasn't relevant as a reply to mine.

 

[unfocused]

Huh? Of course people are going to buy smartphones. I think everyone gets that. Most people with DSLR have a smartphone too.

But it is undeniable, that WiFi is a feature people WANT in their camera, in BOTH dedicated cameras AND smartphones.

And the fact canon was so late with WiFi, way behind smartphones, and the fact they implemented it so badly at first, surely hurt their sales.

No one is arguing that people wouldn't buy smartphones, of course they would. But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

I applaud your courage. I've been trying to explain this forever and always get the same arguments, they boil down to: "I don't use social media. I'm a "real" photographer and people just have to wait to see my pictures."

Ridiculous.

The 21st century started a long time ago and camera manufacturers still haven't caught up with the social media revolution. You are wrong to single out Canon however. All of the manufacturers, Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc., have utterly failed their professional and amateur customers when it comes to connectivity. That Canon is finally starting to catch on is a welcome sign, although they are awfully late to the party.

If you can select, edit and post pictures from your phone and you can't from your camera, there is something seriously wrong.

Once again, I have to link the Mayflower concepts lecture: http://youtu.be/bfCJDIf-NeA

I've gotten tired trying to explain to photographers on this forum how seriously wrong it is that "Uncle Joe" with his smartphone can post pictures to the bride's Facebook page before the paid photographer gets out of the building. But, there is so much denial on this forum it is stunning. One day soon, all those photographers who insist their clients don't care about getting pictures posted to social media in real time will find themselves out of business -- driven out by a young, smart photographer who gets it and can deliver great images and get them posted on social media before the reception ends.

 

[unfocused]

But if they will buy a dedicated camera, depends on the EXTRA VALUE a camera offers them over that smartphone, and when that smartphone actually offers MORE VALUE to them than a dedicated camera in terms of photography with better video, higher FPS, 4k, and WiFI, there is something seriously wrong.

Gee, you forgot megapixels. Nokia offers more MP — MORE VALUE!!! — than most dSLRs.

Does looking at the world through myopic SPECtacles give you a headache? ???

Ah yes...here we go again, when logic fails, rely on falls on uncomprehending eyes, try sarcasm.

Fixed that for ya. Big Brain has nothing constructive to add, so is trying to short circuit a conversation he'd rather not deal with.

Fixed it back. If you seriously think connectivity is not critically important to the future viability of the camera market, I probably can't help you.