Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Coming Next Month? [CR2]

IgotGASbadDude said:
DO IT! It is a bigger lens than most 50's but worth it.

I love my Art 1.4 50 and am looking forward to getting the Art 1.4 24 in a couple of weeks. ;D

Same here, I lost the hope of anything new from Canon in the 50/1.4 range and just went for the Sigma when it popped up in an amazon flash sale shortly before christmas for a really neat 650€. It's even better than the 35 Art and that already was amazing. 24 is also gonna come to my bag, but not for the retail price of a whopping 950€ here in germany..
 
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Maybe they surprise us by announcing all 3 new 50s at once. That'd make a huge splash for Canon and it makes sense, especially since the 5DSr was born (which is shouting for a worthy fifty). And of course there's another rumor telling that the next L will be a prime. There were also rumors in the past that Canon is working on a 1.4 version (not the 1.8 STM rumor). They're just rumors but ... y'never know.

At least I'm expecting to see something happening on that front @ NAB, April. A newly announced 50 would also be a nice b-day gift for me (16.04) :)
I think that our first 50 will hit the most stores in May 2015!
 
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Having got the 28 f1.8 and the 100 f2.0 I have a gap at 50mm.

Ideally I'd want a 50mmf1.x ringUSM with similar build quality to the 28 and the 100 and comparable cost. Currently Canon don't do one like that... hopefully they will very soon, I just hope they don't charge too much for any IS unit they'll probably add in... or maybe the IS will be optional!
 
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PepeSilvia said:
I wish. That way I wouldn't have to buy this one and then sell it later for the 1.4 replacement with IS which is the one I really want.

Well, I probably can get away with "just" a new 50 f/1.8 STM as long as it has the about the same build quality and size/weight as the 35 f/2 IS. I don't want to carry around a super-heavy prime all day when I can get about the same results with other, much lighter lenses. It's not always about the 100%-ish technical quality.

Btw. I also have to save some money for my 6D mkII ;)
 
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Crosswind said:
Well, I probably can get away with "just" a new 50 f/1.8 STM as long as it has the about the same build quality and size/weight as the 35 f/2 IS.

I don't think that is entirely going to happen. The new 50 f/1.8 STM will be small/light/cheap, but it won't have the build quality or the features of the 35 f/2 IS. That level of build will be another 50 that will replace the 50 f/1.4.

As the old non-Ls shared housings in pairs: (24 + 28), (35 + 50), (85 + 100), and as the new non-L IS refreshes showed a similar pattern, I'd expect the mid-level 50 IS to be roughly the same size as the 35 f/2 IS.

I'm speculating, of course, but I feel pretty confident there. Canon's a system company and thinks down the road, so I am not expecting a one-off pickle jar 50 prime with a lot of standalone componentry at a mid level price point. They'll save that for the next 50L I think.

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
I don't think that is entirely going to happen. The new 50 f/1.8 STM will be small/light/cheap, but it won't have the build quality or the features of the 35 f/2 IS. That level of build will be another 50 that will replace the 50 f/1.4.

+1 this nifty fifthy update is getting hopes up too high
 
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zim said:
ahsanford said:
I don't think that is entirely going to happen. The new 50 f/1.8 STM will be small/light/cheap, but it won't have the build quality or the features of the 35 f/2 IS. That level of build will be another 50 that will replace the 50 f/1.4.

+1 this nifty fifthy update is getting hopes up too high

Agreed, that uber fragile focus motor in the 50mm f1.4 USM makes them too much money to replace. I can't think of another lens in the current canon lineup that has a built in reason to purchase a replacement on a regular basis.
 
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dadgummit said:
Agreed, that uber fragile focus motor in the 50mm f1.4 USM makes them too much money to replace. I can't think of another lens in the current canon lineup that has a built in reason to purchase a replacement on a regular basis.
The one and only reason I never purchased one...
 
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ahsanford said:
Crosswind said:
Well, I probably can get away with "just" a new 50 f/1.8 STM as long as it has the about the same build quality and size/weight as the 35 f/2 IS.

I don't think that is entirely going to happen. The new 50 f/1.8 STM will be small/light/cheap, but it won't have the build quality or the features of the 35 f/2 IS. That level of build will be another 50 that will replace the 50 f/1.4.

Yea I thought about that. We'll see if it's "good enough" for an everyday walk-around lens. For professional use I have other options. Someone said this new fifty gets overrated. I'm okay with that as long as it's a solid performer with some improvements over the current nifty fifty, which will likely be the case.

Still... I wonder when they're intending to release the 1.4.
I'm only buying the more expensive one if it has good comatic (not chromatic) correction wide open as this alone would be worth several hundred bucks for me.
 
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This is a CR2, folks… so let’s realise a quite different 50mm prime could come out in the end. (CR2 does not equal CR3!) Over the years there have been many CR2 rumours that did not come to fruition (but I remain thankful to Canon Rumors for being a great resource, and the many rumours that were accurate).

I too want a new Canon EF 50mm in the ‘line’ of recent non-L prime releases (ie 24/28/35mm- with USM and IS).

Aperture
I definitely want faster than f/2.8 for the 50mm. I consider f/2.8 aperture to be only ‘moderately fast’. ‘Fast’ for me means f/1.8 – f/2, and ‘very fast glass’ is f/1.2 – f/1.4. So if Canon is about to release a new 50mm, please between f/1.4 and f/2.

I’m interested / curious… has there ever been a f/1.6 lens? A f/1.6 lens would fill a neat ‘sweet spot’ in terms of aperture speed, imho. Just a thought / idea / conversation starter (pretty please, Canon?!)

AF / Focusing
I would love USM focusing; but would settle for STM if it is implemented well on the 50mm. So far my experience with seeing and trying STM on modern Canon bodies is good, very good- not quite USM but decent enough for general photography (not perhaps the best for fast moving subjects – eg birds, other fast wildlife or sports). Don’t talk to me about

At this stage, I’m wary of Sigma AF issues. Although some people have good experiences with various Sigma lens’ AF (from Sigma 50 HSM EX to Sigma 50 Art, etc) I had used a number of Sigma lenses, and a few of them – even with HSM had definite AF inconsistencies (I tested them on various bodies and in situations – and compared to Canon USM).

(Having said that, I am very grateful for, and happy with my Sigma 8-16mm which has HSM. Not that ‘exact accurate focus’ is a big deal with this lens, often I use this lens in MF mode anyway.

For critical applications (as this 50mm fast prime would be) I need an AF system to nail focus at least 19 times out of 20 – i.e. 95%. I’ve never been let down by Canon USM though. And having a lens that is fast, means the more accurate ‘fast glass’ AF points functionality can be used too.

Image Stabilisation (IS)
I would love 4 stop IS, but if the price is competitive and IQ is great I would settle for a 50mm without IS.
IS is particularly helpful (even with primes, and for that matter, also with ‘wider angle’ lenses for hand-holding, to allow a lower ISO (ie higher IQ) where you don’t want to shoot wide open, eg to use f/11, at ISO400 with a shutter speed of 1/25 second….

Vignetting
While some people like the ‘effect’ of vignetting, I have rarely (if ever) appreciated it. Horses for courses… in nearly all cases, I like photos to look ‘as my eye sees it’ when it comes to vignetting. So a minimal amount of vignetting is what I appreciate. Good thing is that this is easily corrected in post processing (‘post’ or PP).

CA
In the past I have had a few lenses where Chormatic aberration (CA) was quite noticeable at certain settings (eg cheaper Canon zooms, eg EF-S 18-55mm mkII, EF 28-135mm USM IS, EF100-300mm USM and Sigma’s 10-20mm f/4-5.6). I don’t find it objectionable if it can be repaired in post… and as I use DxO, it auto-corrects (ie, removes) CA in batch post very well. Main impact if it’s so bad it might impact on actual or perceived sharpness. Thankfully I now have and use lenses which are on the whole low CA (eg Canon EF-S 15-85mm and Canon EF 70-300mm L USM IS, as well as the Sigma 8-16mm is much better than the Sigma 10-20mm).
Hoping (& expecting) the 50mm will have low CA… the existing Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM has high, and quite objectionable CA….

Bokeh
It would be great if the 50mm has smooth, creamy bokeh, both fore & background – and also in the transition zones. Having rounded aperture blades (with 8 or 9 of these) would be great!

Build quality / lens body
For me, I generally don’t need ‘L’ / weather sealed… though at times (eg an unexpected bit of rain, etc) – that comes in handy (as it did yesterday when I was out – and a light shower passed by – I hd my 70-300mm L lens on my 7D, so it was ok). Yes, I prefer a metal mount – with a focus window, having tightly assembled parts.

If the size size & weight can be close to the existing Canon 50mm f/1.4 that would be good. I like 58mm filters (have a few of these already…) so hoping it will be a 58mm, but I don’t know if that will ‘work’ given the aperture and design. Otherwise I do have 67mm and 72mm filters, but hoping for a smaller / more pocketable / portable lens as a prime.

Price
Depending on all the various criteria / variables that a potential Canon EF 50mm prime could be, I would be happy / willing to pay between $400 and $800… Eg if it has fast, reliable USM, 4 stop IS, has absolutely fantastic IQ – also wide open, etc, etc, etc – then closer to the $800. If it misses some of the above features / quality, then perhaps around $400 to $500. I don’t expect a new ‘good’ EF 50mm to sell / retail for less than $400 (at least not initially). And I’m talking AUD (Aussie dollars).

Paul :)
 
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Both the EF 50mm f1.4 and the EF 50mm f1.2L suffer from edge softness at maximum apertures and require at least a stop to improve, the CA on the f1.4 are not great either. Centre sharpness is fine but they are not "great lenses". The EF 50 f1.8 II relative to price is actually the best lens optically however mechanically is not great not surprising given what you can buy it for.
Overall and with the impending 5dS & 5dS R Canon have some work to do at this focal lenght and if it were my decision I would replace the EF 50mm f1.4 first as others have stated along the lines of the non L 24 / 28 / 35 IS lenses. Canon themselves could price this lens in the same territory as those lenses which would be at a premium to the current lens. In terms of a EF 50mm f1.8 STM this doesnt really provide the same price premium as it would soon come down to the pricing we see for the EF 40mm f2.8 STM.
 
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I've thought about it and decided. It makes sense for Canon to release a 1.8 STM on the cheap. I just don't understand why no IS when their cheapest 18-55 has it, but whatever. And then it will make major sense for them to release a new 50/1.4 IS in the manner of the new 35/2 IS. They would be super smart then. They'd kill it. And they'd be logical.
 
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