Canon Mirrorless [CR1]

[Rocky]

My previous post is mainly talking about people that are thinking about switch from DSLR to EVIL. If they do not mind mising the "Kodak momment" and the picture quality that is inferior to the DSLR that they have already own, then any P &S will do. I got nothing aginst EVIL or P&S. In fact there is always a Canon SD 870 as an emergency back up in my camera bag.
Just remember that camera is a highly subjective choice. There is no right or wrong choice. Some aims at price, some aims at picture quality, some at convience and size , some aims at ergonics and features. etc. For me I cannot justify myself paying the price of a DSLR for a EVIL with a 4/3 sensor and at least twice the shutter delay of a DSLR. The reason why I switch from P &S to DSLR is that I have missed so many picture of moving objects, especially dogs running, childrens playing etc. So will I be giving up my DSLR and goes back to the EVIL???

 

[Jan]

Maybe the soon-to-be-announced 600D is going to be Canon's first mirrorless camera...

As the 60D moved down to the Rebel-level, the 600D may move down to the EVIL level.

No, wait, the 1100D will be the EVIL cam...

 

[olav]

how it could be worst in picture quality if it is a FF ? the mirror is big noisy dusty shake the body , I really wait that next generation of cameras , the mirror has no future except for nostalgics

The mirror has a future as long as it is needed for a fast and accurate AF!

 

[ronderick]

Funny that I actually see the FT-QL mentioned here... I just finish cleaning my dad's copy, which has been recently uncovered in the storage after three decades or so and came back from repairs/cleaning.

If Canon actually introduces a mirrorless camera, I hope they can come out with a FL/FD lens adapter, so I can make some use out of the relic Canon lens collection (though admittingly it's going to be quite a challenge to work those ancient lenses)

 

[Rocky]

how it could be worst in picture quality if it is a FF ? the mirror is big noisy dusty shake the body , I really wait that next generation of cameras , the mirror has no future except for nostalgics

The mirror is what give the DSLR fast auto focusing. As far as I known there is no Mirrorless camera can beat the auto focus speed of DSLR yet.

 

[Rocky]

Why do you think that a Mirrorless needs to compete with a DSLR ??? There are an awful lot of people who are not interested with carrying a large, heavy DSLR when going on a family outing. But want something better than a P&S.
No need to lure away from a DSLR ... many people will own both. And some P&S owners with buy them who aren't interested in Big & Heavy DSLRs. Two different groups to sell to.
P&S cameras out sell DSLRs because there are many people who don't want or need a DSLR. Mirrorless cameras will sell to people moving-up from a P&S you don't want the size and weight of a DSLR and don't need image quality of a DSLR. How many of your acquaintance s print their snapshots at 20x30 ???
For many people that is enough. Mico 4/3 cameras sell well because of their size and good enough quality. BTW why don't you own a 60 MP + MFD, much better quality than a DSLR

C.D Embrey, my post is about the EVIL system not P & S. I have never mentioned that 4/3 and P &S are not good. You keep on using P & S as a counter agruement and try to confuse the discussion. People have different need and different idea of camera. that is why there are so many different makers and models out there. I do not own a 60 MP MFD due to the extremely highj price, size and weight. Also I do not want to deal with 60 MP per picture. What my acquaintance do with their picture is their own business.

 

[Rocky]

I'd love it if canon built a compact M-style camera that took EF-lenses. Don't care about the price either. I need it. Problem of course is the rather hefty mount, dwarfing every other mount on the planet, more or less.

Just get the M9 with one lens, It will be about $9500.

 

[markd61]

As enthusiasts we often lose sight of the fact that the market for cameras is far larger and more diverse than our little corner.
Canon may or may not make an EVIL camera (the 666D? perhaps) but I think that they will do a lot of research in Japan where they are headquartered and where there is a massive market. I also believe that the enthusiast market and casual snapper market are far larger than the pro market, all the MWACS notwithstanding.

As a pro, a mirrorless camera with an excellent eye level VF that was truly silent would be golden for wedding and theater work.
As a realist I recognize that companies like Sony who research the market like crazy will give us cameras like the NEX which is OK but dead useless for a pro in fast moving environment.
Thus I feel there is a real chance that Canon may give us a glorified P&S that, like the Sony, needs to be held at arm's length to compose and shoot.

 

[Rocky]

As a pro, a mirrorless camera with an excellent eye level VF that was truly silent would be golden for wedding and theater work.

That is the exact reason why Leica M9 and the Fujifilm X100 are in my mind.

 

[c.d.embrey]

As enthusiasts we often lose sight of the fact that the market for cameras is far larger and more diverse than our little corner.

Exactly ! Someone who gets it.

Many enthusiasts aways seem to think that if they don't like it, no-one will like it. Get a clue, everything isn't about you, you, you.

 

[jhpeterson]

I've been a Canon user since the late '70s, moved over to the EOS-1 system twenty years ago and have been completely digital the past six. These days I use 1DS and 1D bodies almost exclusively, but could appreciate a somewhat smaller and lighter camera to carry around for casual photography situations.
A few years back I had a Powershot Pro 1, which almost answered my needs. But, I would have liked faster response, more accurate focusing and definitely a larger sensor. I've owned a couple QL-17s over the years and used them as take-anywhere cameras. It's about the right size for me, as the point-and-shoot models have always felt too small, especially in their controls.
It would be a great idea if Canon brought back the QL name in a mirrorless model, and even nicer if they could fit an APS-C sensor in it along with interchangle, fast and hopefully "L-quality" glass, though I'd probably still buy it in four-thirds configuration. Nice, too, if they could keep controls intuitive, simple and large enough for those of us who are mostly thumbs.

 

[EYEONE]

I think an issue for me is cost and control.
I just watch a review for the GH2 and it has a touch screen on the back. Blah. I actually have some hope for Nikon's EVIL because it suppose to be geared more toward the pro. Hopefully dual control wheels and some nobs. I don't care if it looks ugly.

I think EVIL camera's can be fine but everyone except Leica seems to be pointing their brands at the casual user.

 

[ELK]

...everyone except Leica seems to be pointing their brands at the casual user.

and also Fujifilm.

 

[Rocky]

...everyone except Leica seems to be pointing their brands at the casual user.

and also Fujifilm.

Fuji X-100 is not in the same league as Leica M9. X-100 is with a fixed lens and APS-H snsor. M9 is FF with interchangeable lens.

 

[Woody]

I really want a Canon mirrorless camera with fast AF.

 

[EYEONE]

I think an issue for me is cost and control.
I just watch a review for the GH2 and it has a touch screen on the back. Blah. I actually have some hope for Nikon's EVIL because it suppose to be geared more toward the pro. Hopefully dual control wheels and some nobs. I don't care if it looks ugly.

I think EVIL camera's can be fine but everyone except Leica seems to be pointing their brands at the casual user.

And the problem with that is? Leica are producing digital cameras that are consistent with the film cameras that they produced. So to are Canon and Nikon.

It is not proper to judge what Leica does by what Canon/Nikon do, nor expect Leica to do as they do.

I didn't say there was a problem with it. I was simply stating that fact.
I'm not sure what your point was...

 

[fred_jb]

I've been wanting a small camera for a while, having wearied of lugging a large Canon DSLR (currently 7D) and lenses around on the off-chance of getting some good photo opportunities. The Canon is great for sports and for taking on pre-planned photo trips or outings, and also on holiday, but just not sensible for more casual use.

I first bought a Panasonic LX5 which I thought I could share with my wife and replace her aging but still good Fuji F30. However, even though this is about as good as compact cameras get, I was still not happy with the image quality, especially if any editing was required. The wife is also unimpressed as she finds the Fuji perfectly adequate and simpler to use.

I've given up on waiting for Canon's offering in this fast growing market, and I was quite interested in the Samsung NX10 because of the APS-C size sensor and the range of lenses available. However, I'd been put off by some adverse comments and lukewarm reviews but collected a lot of samples online and was generally impressed. I then tried out a few cameras in this class the other day and found the NX10 to be exactly what I was after. I don't mind that it looks like a shrunken DSLR because in essence that is exactly what I want.

I also didn't mind that it came with a flash and viewfinder neatly built-in, unlike the expensive and fiddly add-ons needed for other brands like the Micro 4/3rds and the NEX range. I also wanted a compact lens with a near normal focal length and the Panasonic 30mm f/2 (45mm equiv) meets that need, and has gotten some very good reviews. Non of the other brands seem to offer an exact equivalent to this. The clincher was some of the excellent deals on the NX10 now that the NX11 is almost here.

I've taken a few shots around the house with all three lenses and I'm quite amazed at the quality. All three lenses seem very sharp and noise is very well controlled up to ISO 800. Focusing speed is very quick - just not an issue. It really is above expectations and I'm looking forward to taking it outdoors, given some decent daylight, which has been very elusive around here so far this year.

I would say I could recommend this to anyone wanting a a backup to their DSLR or even as an only camera. Sitting it side by side with my 7D, given the size difference, it is hard to believe that they have the same size sensor - at least until you see the photos!

I think Canon and Nikon are going to have to get on board with this very soon or Panasonic, Samsung, etc, are going to eat their lunch.

Fred

 

[match14]

I tried an EPL-1 the other day and quite liked it, I really hope Canon brings something mirror-less soon.

 

[jhpeterson]

I've been a Canon user since the late '70s, moved over to the EOS-1 system twenty years ago and have been completely digital the past six. These days I use 1DS and 1D bodies almost exclusively, but could appreciate a somewhat smaller and lighter camera to carry around for casual photography situations.
A few years back I had a Powershot Pro 1, which almost answered my needs. But, I would have liked faster response, more accurate focusing and definitely a larger sensor. I've owned a couple QL-17s over the years and used them as take-anywhere cameras. It's about the right size for me, as the point-and-shoot models have always felt too small, especially in their controls.
It would be a great idea if Canon brought back the QL name in a mirrorless model, and even nicer if they could fit an APS-C sensor in it along with interchangable, fast and hopefully "L-quality" glass, though I'd probably still buy it in four-thirds configuration. Nice, too, if they could keep controls intuitive, simple and large enough for those of us who are mostly thumbs.

Thought I'd "refresh" my first post on here, now that Canon has announced the G1X. It's certainly a giant step forward with the APS-C size sensor. Now, if only they'd put in some fast "L" glass!