EOS 5D Mark IV Registered with Indonesian Certification Authority

dilbert said:
Why do people have to keep making up reasons for "X"...

The only real thing that "X" represents is a lack of imagination of people in the naming department for digital cameras at all of the Japanese companies ...

... and automotive crossover manufacturers (Lincoln MKX, BMW X5, Chevrolet Equinox (subtle, that one), Subaru XV, Acura RDX, Acura MDX, Volvo XC90, Mazda CX-5 ...)
 
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dilbert said:
Again, for those that are "new" to digital cameras, the 1DX was the result of a merge between the 1D and 1Ds product lines due to confusion about products.

Obviously Canon couldn't call that camera a "1D" or "1Ds" so they chose the cool sounding (or in vogue) "X". Canon has gone back into the "confusion" territory by releasing the 5Ds (dumbest move ever.) I could totally believe the 5Ds being a single camera line and the new body line for 2017 becoming the new high res camera.

There was never any "confusion" over the 1D and 1Ds lines. The 1Ds was always aimed at the people that wanted the highest resolution, put like that (how it is) the naming of the 5Ds makes perfect sense.

If convention of precedent was followed the 5D line should go to 5DX when they drop the 5Ds Mk? and 5D Mk? and combine them, if previous behaviour is repeated it would be a lower pixel number than the then current 5Ds and a higher frame rate than the then current 5D model.
 
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Berty Rampkin said:
5D Mark iii doesn't have either, whereas 6D already has both WIFI and GPS. Makes sense to keep the 6D ii as the kind of full frame travel camera with the GPS and Wifi, limited focus points, 1/4000, slighter lower pixel count lighter (perhaps slightly better dynamic range and image quality , whereas the 5D iv to be a lot more versatile, better Focus, more AF points, 4k, higher mega pixel count but no the GPS and wifi

I have both 5D Mark iii and 6D - I bought the 6d specifically for my travels for the WIFI and GPS. Its not as dynamic as the 5D. My 5D offers safety of a second memory slot, and better ergonomics, tailored to the professional, so my guess is they would apply similar logic to the next inline models?

My thoughts are this isn't for the 5D IV - the 6D maybe

I hope you are right. I have zero interest in either feature and don't want to pay for them when I will never ever use them.
 
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Dude! Wedding Season in the States will be winding down for us by the time this body releases. I need 4K. More importantly, I need 120fps HD. More importantly, I need the body to float on a Ronin M. More importantly, I need to shoot fine art stills with same camera that does all that, in challenged lighting situations. Final decision. Sony a7rII. I'll have to pick up the markIV next year. :( Honestly, tired of hearing "very little" about it. It's the only reason I'm coming to the site these days and it's becoming more and more of a disappointment. See you in the fall! :o
 
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MrToes said:
I GUESS I'LL BE SELLING ANOTHER KIDNEY SOON. Clients always want discounts, maybe I'll get one from Canon from owning 20+ Canon body's and 40+ "L" lenses in the last 12 years? I'm guessing $3999 for this bad boy including the rebel based hardware!

No. That is ricockulous. Mid $3's for early adopters, no 5 series will be at $4k
 
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slclick said:
MrToes said:
I GUESS I'LL BE SELLING ANOTHER KIDNEY SOON. Clients always want discounts, maybe I'll get one from Canon from owning 20+ Canon body's and 40+ "L" lenses in the last 12 years? I'm guessing $3999 for this bad boy including the rebel based hardware!

No. That is ricockulous. Mid $3's for early adopters, no 5 series will be at $4k

It depends on Canon's perceived value of being the only FF interchangeable rig with 4K under $6k (other than Sony of course).

I see a $3499-ish body-only release like last time, but if Nikon doesn't put 4K on its D810 follow up, Canon might get greedy and up the price. But I seriously doubt Nikon won't offer 4K with that follow up -- I think it's a certainty with 4K currently sitting above (D5) and below (D500) the D810 in their portfolio today.

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ahsanford said:
IglooEater said:
Very interesting. Thanks. I guess if this means availability could be quicker I guess that's a good thing. Just that, in my mind, a "few" is at least three or four, so a "few" months ahead puts the 5D IV in October or November. This is a somewhat subjective analysis at best obviously. ;)

Understand I'm speculating based on what I've read over the years. I deal with the FDA and not the FCC in my day job, so I defer to anyone who actually develops communication products for a living -- they would know better.

Takes about 3 weeks (sometimes less) for the FCC to give their approval on a radio chipset. (i.e. not long at all). Usually we submit months in advance as you have to include all those certification numbers on item packaging/labeling/manuals/etc and manufacturing ramps up a few months ahead of a launch. That said, you can always manufacture ahead of time, get the approval later and then just slap the stickers on and manuals in last as the last part of localization before shipping the units. Even so - with a launch of this size, it'd be surprising if there was less than 2 months between approval and shipping. I'd expect 3 months minimum but I have no clue what the Canon supply chain looks like.
 
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kevl said:
Berty Rampkin said:
5D Mark iii doesn't have either, whereas 6D already has both WIFI and GPS. Makes sense to keep the 6D ii as the kind of full frame travel camera with the GPS and Wifi, limited focus points, 1/4000, slighter lower pixel count lighter (perhaps slightly better dynamic range and image quality , whereas the 5D iv to be a lot more versatile, better Focus, more AF points, 4k, higher mega pixel count but no the GPS and wifi

I have both 5D Mark iii and 6D - I bought the 6d specifically for my travels for the WIFI and GPS. Its not as dynamic as the 5D. My 5D offers safety of a second memory slot, and better ergonomics, tailored to the professional, so my guess is they would apply similar logic to the next inline models?

My thoughts are this isn't for the 5D IV - the 6D maybe

I hope you are right. I have zero interest in either feature and don't want to pay for them when I will never ever use them.
It's always the case that if certain features are added, people will complain they don't want to pay for features they'll never use (video is here to stay!). On the other hand if certain features aren't included, some people will be very unhappy and probably claim they are must have features. With this in mind I personally have learned to just accept a camera for what it is, otherwise I'd never be satisfied. Saying that, no fullscreen HDMI output on my 6D is annoying! ;)
 
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kevl said:
Berty Rampkin said:
5D Mark iii doesn't have either, whereas 6D already has both WIFI and GPS. Makes sense to keep the 6D ii as the kind of full frame travel camera with the GPS and Wifi, limited focus points, 1/4000, slighter lower pixel count lighter (perhaps slightly better dynamic range and image quality , whereas the 5D iv to be a lot more versatile, better Focus, more AF points, 4k, higher mega pixel count but no the GPS and wifi

I have both 5D Mark iii and 6D - I bought the 6d specifically for my travels for the WIFI and GPS. Its not as dynamic as the 5D. My 5D offers safety of a second memory slot, and better ergonomics, tailored to the professional, so my guess is they would apply similar logic to the next inline models?

My thoughts are this isn't for the 5D IV - the 6D maybe

I hope you are right. I have zero interest in either feature and don't want to pay for them when I will never ever use them.


I don't want GPS or WIFI either, but I think we tend to have a flawed view of what we're paying for. We tend to think we're paying for a bunch of features, while in reality we're actually paying for the camera that has a bunch of features. Those features don't always cost anything at all to the end buyer. Sounds wrong? Imagine if Canon would scrap video completely on the 5D camera. I'd cheer. I don't need video. I don't want video. I don't like video. It would mean Canon wouldn't have to pay for developing a sensor with video readout, video controls on the camera, encoding, and what have you. However, it would kill a large segment of potential buyers, which means less sales. That could necessitate a higher cost/unit in the long run. So in reality, often features I don't want can actually make the camera less expensive. More minor features such as GPS and wifi would have similar, albeit smaller effect.
As to any ergonomic implications of having video, I would appreciate it if Canon could allow us to de-activate it and re-assign buttons. However, I'd be willing to live with some minor annoyances if it brings the price of the camera down.
 
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clarksbrother said:
ahsanford said:
IglooEater said:
Very interesting. Thanks. I guess if this means availability could be quicker I guess that's a good thing. Just that, in my mind, a "few" is at least three or four, so a "few" months ahead puts the 5D IV in October or November. This is a somewhat subjective analysis at best obviously. ;)

Understand I'm speculating based on what I've read over the years. I deal with the FDA and not the FCC in my day job, so I defer to anyone who actually develops communication products for a living -- they would know better.

Takes about 3 weeks (sometimes less) for the FCC to give their approval on a radio chipset. (i.e. not long at all). Usually we submit months in advance as you have to include all those certification numbers on item packaging/labeling/manuals/etc and manufacturing ramps up a few months ahead of a launch. That said, you can always manufacture ahead of time, get the approval later and then just slap the stickers on and manuals in last as the last part of localization before shipping the units. Even so - with a launch of this size, it'd be surprising if there was less than 2 months between approval and shipping. I'd expect 3 months minimum but I have no clue what the Canon supply chain looks like.

This is not a chipset, its a complete module, and it has already been approved for use in a Canon Rebel and has been in production for some time.

All Canon did was tell the FCC that it will be used in a second model, and that it was retested in the new camera and passed, so its a non event. There is nothing new.

Its the link of the model number to a 5D MK IV that is the interesting bit.
 
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shutterfreek said:
... I need 120fps HD. More importantly, I need the body to float on a Ronin M. More importantly, I need to shoot fine art stills with same camera that does all that, in challenged lighting situations. ....

Amin to that. Better would be 240 fps HD.Come one Canon every new phone comes with that! I need it with L class glass and true optical zoom. Why a Pro DSLR needs so much time to implement something like that????

Additionally challenged lighting situations and wi-fi for general purposed pro body is a must for two years already.
 
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