EOS 7D mrk. II
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hlphoto said:
I expect that they have it pretty well planned out, but I do not think anyone outside a very few at Canon are privy to the plan. Many camera parts are long lead time, so you need to have a model planned a year before you plan to introduce it. That does not mean everything is cast in stone, but, if they do not know what sensor, LCD, processor, etc they plan to use, it will be more than a year off. you do not just decide these things and a week later cameras start rolling down the production line, all the prototyping, tooling, testing, etc take much longer than many think.
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Definitely.Mt Spokane Photography said:
The development of a new sensor or a new body start before the release of the previous one! If 1DsIV will be released this summer, expect Canon to already start thinking about 1DsmV, what to change and improve, explore different options, etc... Such high grade camera is specced out maybe 1 year before release. Then start software development and debugging, real life testing, etc...
R&D is a very long process barely understood by many people.
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YoukY63 said:Definitely.
The development of a new sensor or a new body start before the release of the previous one! If 1DsIV will be released this summer, expect Canon to already start thinking about 1DsmV, what to change and improve, explore different options, etc... Such high grade camera is specced out maybe 1 year before release. Then start software development and debugging, real life testing, etc...
R&D is a very long process barely understood by many people.
The 1Ds MK IV prototypes have been spotted for three years now. for a one series camera, development is longer than a year.
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Just to clarify.
I was not referring to development, but rather to assigning specific specifications to the 7D Mark II – as in determining what the specific feature set of the new body will be.
The OP listed some very specific specifications, many of which can easily be changed (and probably will be changed) during the year prior to the release of a new body. These are already developed features and the final determination of what goes into the camera will be made based on market research and conditions closer to the time when actual production must begin.
My point was that it is a bit silly at this stage to believe any rumors about what the specific feature set the 7D Mark II might have.
I was not referring to development, but rather to assigning specific specifications to the 7D Mark II – as in determining what the specific feature set of the new body will be.
The OP listed some very specific specifications, many of which can easily be changed (and probably will be changed) during the year prior to the release of a new body. These are already developed features and the final determination of what goes into the camera will be made based on market research and conditions closer to the time when actual production must begin.
My point was that it is a bit silly at this stage to believe any rumors about what the specific feature set the 7D Mark II might have.
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unfocused said:
"Vari-angle monitor 3" OLED 1.1 mil. pixels display (good in the sun)
Video 1080p mode with 30fps (or more) and Autofocus while filming
Live View WITH autofocus
Change able focusing screen (Rules of Thids 21 mp with ISO 100-25600 (less noice)
Continuous shooting 12fps Magnisium alloy body
Water resistant (Weathersealing)
19 AF points Both CF and SD slots
2X Digic V
GPS
Wireless or possibility to use Eye FI SD-card"
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Which Canon camera has these already Developed features that can be added with no tooling or long lead orders?
Oled Display? not developed and certainly long lead time
Autofocus while filming? Never seen this in a Canon DSLR. I hope we get it
Changable Screen with rule of thirds? 7D has a lcd screen, adding a rule of thirds will require a new screen, the symbols that display on the lcd screen are designed into the screen, its hardware and software.
21MP APS-C sensor? When and Where was this developed??
Continuous 12 FPS? Haven't seen this in Canon either.
7D already has weather resistent sealing
Digic V - If its developed, we have not yet seen a camera with it.
Putting GPS into a camera requires a lot of development and testing, this is not a already developed item.
Wireless? 7D has wireless flash, and can use eye-Fi cards. Adding a wireless file system is definitely requiring development and tooling. (existing ones use a lot of power and have their own battery.
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Oh come on! If you need a screen with "Rule of Thirds" inscribed onto it, then you probably don't need a 7D! A screen should not prescribe what looks good and what doesn't.
Just compose the shot already!
Just compose the shot already!
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Wasn't criticising you, Spokane. More the original post, calling for thirds focussing screens. Not aimed at you!
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i would love 7d mk ii rumours, but i figure it's not going to happen for a while yet. i'm guessing they have to get the big guns refreshed first, meaning we won't see a 7d update before the end of the year. surely they've got to do the 1d(s) and 5d first! i'm probably still not going to have the money for one by then, so will just keep saving and holding out for the replacement, whenever it may come. in the meantime, i'll just make sure i get a computer that can cope with the files......my current one struggles with my 400d files, so no point in upgrading yet!
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With reguards to the 7d mk 2's potential shooting speed one one thing to consider is that the ID may well be FF by the time it comes out so less of a direct competision.
Personally I wouldnt be shocked to see a 7D mk2 released next spring if only to allow it to preview the new processor on crop along with any improvements to the sensor. If the 650D and 70D(if the xxD line carrys on) preview the sensor first its surely going to impact 7D sales heavly.
Personally I wouldnt be shocked to see a 7D mk2 released next spring if only to allow it to preview the new processor on crop along with any improvements to the sensor. If the 650D and 70D(if the xxD line carrys on) preview the sensor first its surely going to impact 7D sales heavly.
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So now that the 1D X is out, what to expect from the 7D II?
I say:
I say:
- APS-C 18 MP
- 45 AF points
- 9 fps RAW, 10 fps JPG
- ISO 100-12800, expandable to 51200
- dual DIGIC 5 (not 5+ and no dedicated AE/AF processor)
- 3.2-inch LCD 1040k, maybe articulated
- multiple exposure modes
- video recording with file splitting
- wave motion cleaning
- single CF slot
- no built-in GPS or WiFi
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I have a 7D and an 1D Mk IV and I use the 7D more when I shoot sports just because the crop gets me in closer and I don't lose much for what I gain. Honestly, it's nearly perfect and the only things I really want are a little faster processing of RAW to keep it from bogging down (yes, I use a 600x card) and better ISO performance in the 800-3200 range. Everything else would just be cake.
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Looking at the 7D release cycle (of which there isn't one, obviously ), I'm guessing if it's a single-digit (higher end) EOS, it'll be on a 3 year release cycle (similar to the 5D, and close to the 1D).
If that's the case, that would make it due for a refresh in September 2012. However, that obviously sits just after the London Olympics and Euro 2012. This makes me wonder whether Canon would consider a release prior to this in order to cash in on sales for those events. Whilst I know it's not THE professional sports camera, as mentioned on here a lot, it is used by a lot of people for such things, with the APS-C giving the extra reach often preferred by sports shooters. I know Canon have just announced the 1DX, however I think that will truly sit outside a lot of peoples budgets (other than the high end pro shooters).
Just my 2p!
), I'm guessing if it's a single-digit (higher end) EOS, it'll be on a 3 year release cycle (similar to the 5D, and close to the 1D).If that's the case, that would make it due for a refresh in September 2012. However, that obviously sits just after the London Olympics and Euro 2012. This makes me wonder whether Canon would consider a release prior to this in order to cash in on sales for those events. Whilst I know it's not THE professional sports camera, as mentioned on here a lot, it is used by a lot of people for such things, with the APS-C giving the extra reach often preferred by sports shooters. I know Canon have just announced the 1DX, however I think that will truly sit outside a lot of peoples budgets (other than the high end pro shooters).
Just my 2p!
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surfing_geek said:Looking at the 7D release cycle (of which there isn't one, obviously
If that's the case, that would make it due for a refresh in September 2012. However, that obviously sits just after the London Olympics and Euro 2012. This makes me wonder whether Canon would consider a release prior to this in order to cash in on sales for those events. Whilst I know it's not THE professional sports camera, as mentioned on here a lot, it is used by a lot of people for such things, with the APS-C giving the extra reach often preferred by sports shooters. I know Canon have just announced the 1DX, however I think that will truly sit outside a lot of peoples budgets (other than the high end pro shooters).
Just my 2p!
I would think it just sits inside the budget of professional sports photographers who would shoot at the Olympics though. Just because of this I would actually think Canon will wait until after to get a couple of more sales from folks who would otherwise have gotten the 7D MarkII instead. (That is if the 7D will remain the fast APS-C camera of Canon. Who knows if the 1DX was the only curve ball Canon threw)
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I don't think Mark II will have 45AF from (or improved) the previous 1D. More like a highly improved 19AF system, they still need to milk as much money as possible like all other companies.
18MP sounds reasonable, perhaps 21, definitely APS-C. I mean why would they switch the sensor already in the second version.
8 - 10fps is just amazing, I couldn't ask for more in this price range. Its ISO performance is fine at 3200, especially at concerts and sports, though sometimes it's a bit too noisy. One stop improvement would be really nice!
I don't think Canon will announce any speed monster before Olympics, 1DX should have its glory for a long time.
Photokina would be the best place to announce it, along with a 650D and 5D Mark II some time before that.
18MP sounds reasonable, perhaps 21, definitely APS-C. I mean why would they switch the sensor already in the second version.
8 - 10fps is just amazing, I couldn't ask for more in this price range. Its ISO performance is fine at 3200, especially at concerts and sports, though sometimes it's a bit too noisy. One stop improvement would be really nice!
I don't think Canon will announce any speed monster before Olympics, 1DX should have its glory for a long time.
Photokina would be the best place to announce it, along with a 650D and 5D Mark II some time before that.
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