First Images of the Canon EOS M3

[dufflover]

Pop up flash is going to attract more sales than a popup EVF, as fancy as it is. Given the style of camera it is and how many people don't whinge about taking photos with a phone or other non-EVF cameras sorry you're probability in the minority.

Besides, if they do it right with DPAF (still surprised it's still not in an M given that tech is just perfectly suited!) and the somewhat flippy screen it will be very capable. Not that I can see myself being able to justify replacing my current EOS-M either.

 

[AvTvM]

There must be some major thing regarding the sensor in EOS M3 and Rebel 760D - pretty much evrything else has credibly leaked by now ... but not the sensor. The longer they keep this under cover, the more I believe it is going to be the Sony 24 MP sensor as sported in the A6000, or maybe, just maybe a slightly improved version of it. This would also nicely explain why there is no DPAF.

But - who cares? So far Canon has not been able to goive its (non-video) stills customers any real advantage from it. In both 70D and 7D II live view AF is still "rather pedestrian" compared to "best in class" like Fuji X-T1, Oly M1, Samsung NX-1 or even Nikon 1 (yes, much smaller sensor, problem is easier to solve).

I believe Canon is still trying to sort out communications around the launch ... should they avoid any mentioning that the sensor is "not Canon made" until it is discovered and posted all over the internet by the first person who tears down a 760D or EOS M3 to its parts and checks the sensor [Roger Cicala, please!] or should they be forthcoming from the start trying to insist, that "while the sensor is indeed made in a Sony fab, the entire design and all specs of it are fruits of the marvelous Canon R&D department" until that statement will also be tron to pieces by forums like ours here and "the net" in general? Nice marketing communications dilemma - depending on how Canon will handle it, could be great stuff for future case studies at business schools. 8)

 

[yankl]

Its a shame that the EOS M owners cannot use the EVF-DC1 Electronic Viewfinder :-[
JD

<p>The first images of the upcoming Canon EOS M3 has appeared. This camera is due to be announced on Friday, February 6, 2015.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-18561" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/m3qgu1n.jpg" alt="m3qgu1n" width="425" height="353" /></p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-18559" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/m3_backx2zuo.jpg" alt="m3_backx2zuo" width="453" height="352" /></p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-18564" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/canon_eosm3_f0011.jpg" alt="canon_eosm3_f001" width="500" height="389" /></p>
<p>The EOS M3 will be compatible with <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1030434-REG/canon_9555b001_evf_dc1_electronic_viewfinder_for.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296">Canon’s EVF-DC1</a>.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://digicame-info.com/2015/02/eos-m3-1.html" target="_blank">DCI</a>] & [<a href="http://www.dslr-forum.de/showpost.php?p=12953234&postcount=111" target="_blank">DSLR Forum</a>]</p>
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[Rahul]

Re: First Image of the Canon EOS M3

Having to pay $2-300.00 extra for something that is built-in on the Sony a7000, a Fuji X camera or an Olympus E-M10. Also NO EVF signal the the M-line is a non-serious Kitty-Kamera.

No judgement about the M (or any other camera at this point), but I do like that "Kitty-Kamera" descriptor. Very nice!

A perfect camera for Don Haines? ;D

 

[Rahul]

There must be some major thing regarding the sensor in EOS M3 and Rebel 760D - pretty much evrything else has credibly leaked by now ... but not the sensor. The longer they keep this under cover, the more I believe it is going to be the Sony 24 MP sensor as sported in the A6000, or maybe, just maybe a slightly improved version of it. This would also nicely explain why there is no DPAF.

But - who cares? So far Canon has not been able to goive its (non-video) stills customers any real advantage from it. In both 70D and 7D II live view AF is still "rather pedestrian" compared to "best in class" like Fuji X-T1, Oly M1, Samsung NX-1 or even Nikon 1 (yes, much smaller sensor, problem is easier to solve).

Since you bring up Roger Cicala, I must share his views on the DPAF that you cite is pedestrian -

Do you use live view focus? The 7DII hits live view focus in a split second; nearly as fast as phase detection and waayyyy faster than the original.

http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/canon/cameras/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii

Now unless you are saying that the phase detect AF on the 7DII is pedestrian, Roger Cicala is simply saying that you do not know what you are talking about.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story!

 

[jolive3]

24MP sensor: clearly from Sony. The G7x already has one made by them. DPAF? Hope so. It's logical. But with Canon you never know. New lenses instead of a new camera? That would be (very) nice. What's the point of having a small camera and then lose that advantage by adding an adapter and extra unnecessary bulk? This new M3 seems like a marriage between the M and the G1xMII - both I own and love, so that's pleasing, BUT: no new lenses = start looking for an alternative, not going back to the mirror.

 

[Act444]

Re: First Image of the Canon EOS M3

Perhaps we would see M2 offerings through gray market sellers in the US when M3 comes to market. If M3 returns to US, that would be also a good news.

If the M3 is coming to NA, I wouldn't rule out the M2 being released as well, perhaps as an entry-level body to the M system. The fact that it has been already out a year in Asia may mean lower costs.

In addition, perhaps the US will finally get the 11-22 and 55-200 as well. Would make sense to put out those lenses with a new M3 to revitalize things.

 

[rrcphoto]

There must be some major thing regarding the sensor in EOS M3 and Rebel 760D - pretty much evrything else has credibly leaked by now ... but not the sensor.

that was leaked a while back (jan 21st) on canonwatch as
24.2MP sensor Hybrid AF III
ISO 100-12800 (seems the same as the 750/760D rebel).
7fps

since the 750/760 is confirmed (supposedly by now) with a 24.2Mp sensor, one would have to assume pretty rationally that the rumor was accurate.

 

[Dylan777]

Optional EVF will take away the compactness of mirrorless...

Not sure why Canon didn't go with pop-up EVF :

no hotshoe in that, also no ILC mount. not much of a difference there now is it? an ILC mount takes a considerable more volume internally, and losing the hotshoe would be huge IMO. Not to mention that canon's external one is tilting - far more practical. and the M3 has more actual external controls than that.

I doubt they can't.

At least something like this.

and that's alot bigger than an M and has a piddly 16:9 screen that blows for photography. does teh smaller A5000 have an EVF? the A5100? any of the PEN's? the X-A1/2? no? think there's a reason? why yes.. they are probably .. gasp. SMALL?

Both EOS-M and a6000 are not pocketable cameras. Shooting in the afternoon without EVF...uhmm :

I have one full spectrum M that I use predominately for IR. that only gets used in the brightest of sunny days (the only time you can actually really shoot IR). with MAX brightness; it works. have you actually tried one?

and just because they are not pocketable to you - doesn't necessarily make it so that people want bigger cameras.

so yeah, your premise that they could add an EVF without changing the size - still think that? they will have to add at least around 3/4" to the width and also gimp the LCD.

if you really want that - get a sony?

I’m not lucky enough to own “full spectrum M”. However, in the last 2yrs I had bought, used and sold EOS-M, x100s, A7, a7r and RX1. I'm well aware the sizes and weights of these cameras. I’m aware of not having EVF is become real issue.

Looking at today ICL mirrorless systems, most HOT selling systems have built-in EVF. In fact, their EVF is getting better and better each day. I’m glad to see M3 has exp-comp dail – which was missing in EOS-M and M2.


“so yeah, your premise that they could add an EVF without changing the size - still think that?” ==> Let’s NOT put words in my mouth. The pictures were just to show how built-in EVF could be included.

“if you really want that - get a sony?” ==> If I want the best mirrorless system today, Canon is not my 1st choice. In fact, my A7s is on the way home.

 

[rrcphoto]

24MP sensor: clearly from Sony. The G7x already has one made by them.

the sony 24Mp sensor is a different size.

 

[rrcphoto]

Looking at today ICL mirrorless systems, most HOT selling systems have built-in EVF. In fact, their EVF is getting better and better each day.

Actually in japan the hot selling ones are without the EVF and usually based upon discounting and not on EVF.

PEN E-PL6, E-PL7, EOS-M/M2, NEX-5T, Pentax Q7 are about the top 10 sellers doing a look a through the top 40 cameras sold in japan. Odd. Not one in the top 40 with an EVF.

Top selling MILC in amazon usually is determined more by discount than by EVF. United states, NEX-5TL is the top selling MILC with a 43% discount. Japan the E-PL6 with a 56% discount is the current best seller. Amazon.de - A5000 with a 32% discount is the biggest seller.

Fuji X-T1/E1? not even on the radar for sales (actually Fuji isn't at all). A series from Sony? almost every other full frame camera sells more.

Sorry - I'd love to see where you are getting your sales stats that states the "hot selling systems are with EVF"

 

[Dylan777]

Looking at today ICL mirrorless systems, most HOT selling systems have built-in EVF. In fact, their EVF is getting better and better each day.

Actually in japan the hot selling ones are without the EVF and usually based upon discounting and not on EVF.

PEN E-PL6, E-PL7, EOS-M/M2, NEX-5T, Pentax Q7 are about the top 10 sellers doing a look a through the top 40 cameras sold in japan. Odd. Not one in the top 40 with an EVF.

Top selling MILC in amazon usually is determined more by discount than by EVF. United states, NEX-5TL is the top selling MILC with a 43% discount. Japan the E-PL6 with a 56% discount is the current best seller. Amazon.de - A5000 with a 32% discount is the biggest seller.

Fuji X-T1/E1? not even on the radar for sales (actually Fuji isn't at all). A series from Sony? almost every other full frame camera sells more.

Sorry - I'd love to see where you are getting your sales stats that states the "hot selling systems are with EVF"

It calls "google"

 

[rrcphoto]

Looking at today ICL mirrorless systems, most HOT selling systems have built-in EVF. In fact, their EVF is getting better and better each day.

Actually in japan the hot selling ones are without the EVF and usually based upon discounting and not on EVF.

PEN E-PL6, E-PL7, EOS-M/M2, NEX-5T, Pentax Q7 are about the top 10 sellers doing a look a through the top 40 cameras sold in japan. Odd. Not one in the top 40 with an EVF.

Top selling MILC in amazon usually is determined more by discount than by EVF. United states, NEX-5TL is the top selling MILC with a 43% discount. Japan the E-PL6 with a 56% discount is the current best seller. Amazon.de - A5000 with a 32% discount is the biggest seller.

Fuji X-T1/E1? not even on the radar for sales (actually Fuji isn't at all). A series from Sony? almost every other full frame camera sells more.

Sorry - I'd love to see where you are getting your sales stats that states the "hot selling systems are with EVF"

It calls "google"

so basically you got nothing.

got it.

 

[sdsr]

Same here. You - or at least I - have to love a camera, or you won't take it with you, and then what's the point? And alongside other things like specs, usability and how it feels in your hand, aesthetics also come into that.

You guys should really switch to Nikon...

Why? That thing looks hideous, and I rather doubt that someone who thought it looked good would take photos I would want to look at. The suggestion that aesthetics should play no role whatsoever in evaluating a camera strikes me as rather odd, at least to the extent one regards photography as an aesthetic activity. Cameras and lenses may just be tools, but it's hardly obvious why anyone who cares about how things look when making images should switch off his/her aesthetic sense when looking at those tools. Part of the appeal for me of vintage lenses - especially those with scalloped focusing rings - is their appearance and the tactile pleasure using them. I wouldn't use them if they made inferior images, but many don't. Rather, they make the whole process of taking photos more enjoyable.

This view isn't as rare as you might think, either. Complete strangers have come up me and said "what a beautiful camera" when I've had my silver-trim OMD EM5 around my neck, and I don't think it would be unreasonable to suggest that much of the appeal of the Fuji-X cameras is their appearance.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Why? That thing looks hideous, and I rather doubt that someone who thought it looked good would take photos I would want to look at.

Way to judge. :

I know aesthetics trump function for some. A good example was a woman I saw this morning in very aesthetically pleasing Ferragamo boots, obviously appearance was important to her. I noticed her boots mainly because they were up in the air after she had unfortunately slipped and fallen on her backside trying to walk on the snowy/icy sidewalk. My black snow boots may look a bit odd with a tailored suit, but as someone who prioritizes function over form I had sufficient traction on the slippery sidewalk to help her back to her feet.

 

[Rocky]

Why? That thing looks hideous, and I rather doubt that someone who thought it looked good would take photos I would want to look at.

Way to judge. :

I know aesthetics trump function for some. A good example was a woman I saw this morning in very aesthetically pleasing Ferragamo boots, obviously appearance was important to her. I noticed her boots mainly because they were up in the air after she had unfortunately slipped and fallen on her backside trying to walk on the snowy/icy sidewalk. My black snow boots may look a bit odd with a tailored suit, but as someone who prioritizes function over form I had sufficient traction on the slippery sidewalk to help her back to her feet.

Well said, You are a real scientist (NO pum intented)

 

[AvTvM]

for all those who find the EOS M3 ever so *ugly*, there is a much more "elegant, flashy, glitzy, smooth, sleek, cool, apple-like, totally premium" alternative available ...

;D

*Oh so pretty*. Carved from one solid block of aluminium. The Leica apple of all mirrorless cameras. But functionally it's *pretty much* where the Canon EOS M was before it got the first Firmware update. ;D

 

[neuroanatomist]

for all those who find the EOS M3 ever so *ugly*, there is a much more "elegant, flashy, glitzy, smooth, sleek, cool, apple-like, totally premium" alternative available ...

;D

*Oh so pretty*. Carved from one solid block of aluminium. The Leica apple of all mirrorless cameras. But functionally it's *pretty much* where the Canon EOS M was before it got the first Firmware update. ;D

Egad, that's an ugly camera. What's that dumb thing that looks like a mini searchlight sticking up from the top? And that big red dot logo badge clashes with the orange lettering on the lens, how tacky. The logo should be blue and start with a "Z", then it would be a good-looking camera that I'd want to be seen carrying.

 

[Dylan777]

Looking at today ICL mirrorless systems, most HOT selling systems have built-in EVF. In fact, their EVF is getting better and better each day.

Actually in japan the hot selling ones are without the EVF and usually based upon discounting and not on EVF.

PEN E-PL6, E-PL7, EOS-M/M2, NEX-5T, Pentax Q7 are about the top 10 sellers doing a look a through the top 40 cameras sold in japan. Odd. Not one in the top 40 with an EVF.

Top selling MILC in amazon usually is determined more by discount than by EVF. United states, NEX-5TL is the top selling MILC with a 43% discount. Japan the E-PL6 with a 56% discount is the current best seller. Amazon.de - A5000 with a 32% discount is the biggest seller.

Fuji X-T1/E1? not even on the radar for sales (actually Fuji isn't at all). A series from Sony? almost every other full frame camera sells more.

Sorry - I'd love to see where you are getting your sales stats that states the "hot selling systems are with EVF"

It calls "google"

so basically you got nothing.

got it.

When you reduce a $700ish camera to $299, of course, it becomes high demand.

One of hundreds in google: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364044,00.asp

 

[Dylan777]

for all those who find the EOS M3 ever so *ugly*, there is a much more "elegant, flashy, glitzy, smooth, sleek, cool, apple-like, totally premium" alternative available ...

;D

*Oh so pretty*. Carved from one solid block of aluminium. The Leica apple of all mirrorless cameras. But functionally it's *pretty much* where the Canon EOS M was before it got the first Firmware update. ;D

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