Here are some crazy Canon EOS R1 specifications [CR0]

GoldWing

Canon EOS 1DXMKII
Oct 19, 2013
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We're not "typical consumers" and many were willing to do 20MP for the other benefits; in fact many found that a positive benefit.

Whether A) your attitude is typical in the 1-series customer base (maybe most disagree with you) and B) Canon recognizes this, will make a marked difference in what happens.
No I'm not a typical consumer I work for one of the largest sports agencies in the world. I would be replacing 24 kits and for us that's 56 bodies and their associated glass.

There is (are) no benefit(s) of a governed or limited 20MP that cannot be adjusted while shooting.

This technology has been in camera since the 1DX and its very simple to shoot at a reduced file size in RAW and JPG. This 20MP, straw dog or red harring is played out. If someone wants to shoot at 20MP let them perhaps they want to shoot at 8MP, let them. But there is no reason to limit the resolution any longer, that thinking and technology was even in the original 1DX in 2011/2

One has to wonder why people don't look at A1, R5, Nikon z, and even the 1DXMKIII and realize decreasing file size is eazy on "the buffer" ROFL.

It's about time our industry matured with equipment that is comprehensive.
 

PerKr

EOS 90D
Jul 11, 2018
139
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ok, so given that the Z9 will supposedly do 8K and have a stacked sensor... Let's just assume it (the Z9) will rival the Sony A1 overall. Then the R1 needs to pretty much match that. I for one expect it will. If it was to be slower with lower resolution and a higher pricetag, that would be like when Sony released the A900 without video capabilities just when the Canon 5DmkII came out (except the Sony A900 at least had a price advantage)
 

Michael Clark

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Apr 5, 2016
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Someone has way too much time on his hands...

Someone else needs to mind their own business. I don't tell you how to budget your time. You don't need to waste your time worrying about how I spend mine on the one or two days a month I even visit this site.
 
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Bdbtoys

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Can you? It seems the R5 can't be set to shoot slower than 20 fps in electronic shutter mode.

Can limit in non-electronic. However they really need to come out with a firmware that lets you set the limit in electronic.
 

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GoldWing

Canon EOS 1DXMKII
Oct 19, 2013
341
244
Los Angeles, CA
en.wikipedia.org
No I'm not a typical consumer I work for one of the largest sports agencies in the world. I would be replacing 24 kits and for us that's 56 bodies and their associated glass.

There is (are) no benefit(s) of a governed or limited 20MP that cannot be adjusted while shooting.

This technology has been in camera since the 1DX and its very simple to shoot at a reduced file size in RAW and JPG. This 20MP, straw dog or red harring is played out. If someone wants to shoot at 20MP let them perhaps they want to shoot at 8MP, let them. But there is no reason to limit the resolution any longer, that thinking and technology was even in the original 1DX in 2011/2

One has to wonder why people don't look at A1, R5, Nikon z, and even the 1DXMKIII and realize decreasing file size is eazy on "the buffer" ROFL.

It's about time our industry matured with equipment that is comprehensive.
Hi 100% of the pro sports photographers I know and work
No I'm not a typical consumer I work for one of the largest sports agencies in the world. I would be replacing 24 kits and for us that's 56 bodies and their associated glass.

There is (are) no benefit(s) of a governed or limited 20MP that cannot be adjusted while shooting.

This technology has been in camera since the 1DX and its very simple to shoot at a reduced file size in RAW and JPG. This 20MP, straw dog or red harring is played out. If someone wants to shoot at 20MP let them perhaps they want to shoot at 8MP, let them. But there is no reason to limit the resolution any longer, that thinking and technology was even in the original 1DX in 2011/2

One has to wonder why people don't look at A1, R5, Nikon z, and even the 1DXMKIII and realize decreasing file size is eazy on "the buffer" ROFL.

It's about time our industry matured with equipment that is comprehensive.
Hi 100% of the sports photogs I know, work with and work for our agency would welcome the oppty for enhanced resolution and be able to choose the file size. No one!!! Not one single person said "I don't want greater resolution and the ability to choose when I want to use it".
 
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BakaBokeh

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Hi 100% of the pro sports photographers I know and work

Hi 100% of the sports photogs I know, work with and work for our agency would welcome the oppty for enhanced resolution and be able to choose the file size. No one!!! Not one single person said "I don't want greater resolution and the ability to choose when I want to use it".
You'd be surprised. Some here get irrationally angry when you give them options that they can just turn off if they don't want to use it.
 

pape2

EOS 90D
Mar 19, 2021
117
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I wonder if with todays tech it would be possible to do deep focus tech to R1.
R5 got some sensor deepness ,if i remember right there was mode with two diferently focused frame option from one picture.
Now if Global shutter R1 can divide longer exposures to shorter segments, is it possible track single photons tracks on segment like 1/1000 s or 1/10000s.?
i mean if can get info where photon hits surface of sensor and where it hits to lower layer, can get knowledge about photons flying angle.
When knowing photon track angles can do picture where everything is sharp .Like sensor shift.
How many milliard or billion photons hits to sensor when doing exposure? How big computer is needed to postprocess all that data :p
 

pape2

EOS 90D
Mar 19, 2021
117
148
I wonder if with todays tech it would be possible to do deep focus tech to R1.
R5 got some sensor deepness ,if i remember right there was mode with two diferently focused frame option from one picture.
Now if Global shutter R1 can divide longer exposures to shorter segments, is it possible track single photons tracks on segment like 1/1000 s or 1/10000s.?
i mean if can get info where photon hits surface of sensor and where it hits to lower layer, can get knowledge about photons flying angle.
When knowing photon track angles can do picture where everything is sharp .Like sensor shift.
How many milliard or billion photons hits to sensor when doing exposure? How big computer is needed to postprocess all that data :p
OK i lost scale ,they getting perfectly sharp pictures with 1/10000s ,means billions photons hitting sensor. no way track them.
And anyway million times easier use stacked sensor data for this.
 

SwissFrank

from EOS 1N to R
Dec 9, 2018
683
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How about ISO 3 for people that want to shoot long exposures. I can’t understand why camera makers can’t incorporate this?

One of the tricks possible with a sensor design Canon patented a couple years ago now was in effect, ND filtering. Even if the max DR is achieved at ISO 160, they'd be able to get you maybe 1/1000 of that (10 stops) (just my educated guess, the patent didn't spell out), so ISO 0.16 ...

The other tricks that sensor could do would be to almost double DR, and global shutter.
 
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ND filters feel like a waste of light to be. They filter away 99.9% of the light, but none of the noise. If you could still catch all that like and then devide it by 1000 afterwards, you would als devide the noise by 1000.
 

SwissFrank

from EOS 1N to R
Dec 9, 2018
683
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ND filters feel like a waste of light to be. They filter away 99.9% of the light, but none of the noise. If you could still catch all that like and then devide it by 1000 afterwards, you would als devide the noise by 1000.

Hmmm, I don't think I'd say that but maybe I misunderstand your meaning. A 30-sec exposure doesn't magically have 30x the noise of a 1-sec exposure, they're the same, more or less. And 1 sec is about the same noise as 1/8000.

That'd be the case whether you used ND filters, or whether the camera/sensor had an ND system of some sort built in.

The Canon patent I referred to described a sensor that could accumulate photons in one of two charge wells, and change between them across the entire sensor instantly.

For global shutter, you use one charge well, then switch to the other while you take time to read out the first. No rolling shutter.

For doubling DR, it exposes one bucket 1 microsecond out of every 1 millisecond or so, underexposing it by 10 stops. Yet even with relatively fast-moving items, you'll still get an apparently smooth motion blur image on both sensors. Then use the underexposed image as the top ten stops' worth. So, an architecture shooter can shoot a room in daylight, and the scene outside the window AND the room will both be captured fine.

For ND, it does basically the same thing, but you only use the underexposed image. Since it gets 10 stops less light (at the figures I quoted, the real shutter may go even darker than that) you can take a 30-sec exposure in daylight at f/32 ISO 100. And the noise that bucket is getting will only be the same as a 1/30th sec exposure.
 
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kaihp

EOS R
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Mar 19, 2012
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ND filters feel like a waste of light to be. They filter away 99.9% of the light, but none of the noise. If you could still catch all that like and then devide it by 1000 afterwards, you would als devide the noise by 1000.
With an ND filter, you can shoot at a much wider aperture and long shutters and not blowing up the exposure.
 

SteveC

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With an ND filter, you can shoot at a much wider aperture and long shutters and not blowing up the exposure.
Or to put that another way, if your exposure has blown highlights, dividing by 1000 as skyscraperfan suggests, would simply lead to uniform dark gray areas where the blown highlights were before.

It also uses up ten stops of dynamic range.
 

kaihp

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Mar 19, 2012
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Or to put that another way, if your exposure has blown highlights, dividing by 1000 as skyscraperfan suggests, would simply lead to uniform dark gray areas where the blown highlights were before.

It also uses up ten stops of dynamic range.

Using ND filters gives you the option to make artistic pictures with a very long shutter and a very shallow depth of field. You may not like it, but some of us do.
 

SteveC

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Using ND filters gives you the option to make artistic pictures with a very long shutter and a very shallow depth of field. You may not like it, but some of us do.
Oh, I understand perfectly what an ND would be a good thing in some circumstances! (I was trying to support what you said. If that was unclear I apologize.)

One typical use case is those long exposures of waterfalls to blur the water. (Not necessarily done wide open, shallow depth of field, but definitely done with a long exposure.) I've never tried to do this, if only because of there not being a lot of waterfalls near where I live.