Images of the Canon EOS M6 & EVF Have Leaked

[9VIII]

All I can think is when I look at this is "Rangefinder".

It's almost tragic that Sony of all companies is the only one willing to push that format, but everyone else, even Fuji, is hesitant to release a new Rangefinder body (besides their pet project the X-Pro).

 

[ahsanford]

Pretty much this. It's all about the mindset, not the specs/hardware. Everyone just has GAS here.

Everyone does not have GAS here. That's ridiculous.

I own a 5D3 and have skipped the 5DS rigs and the 5D4 because they aren't that much better than what I currently shoot with. Amassing new gear is idiotic unless you are constantly pushing the limits of what that gear can do and a new product dramatically would improve those limits.

Many folks come here for:

• To learn about photography from someone more experienced
• To understand less common gear and how it works (landscape filters, macro lighting/rails, etc.
• To get buying advice
• To share news, reviews, etc.
• To post their work
• Talk about the future of photography

So speak for yourself on GAS. It exists, sure, but to indict everyone here as having it is a comically broad brush to use. You are not giving this forum remotely enough credit.

- A

 

[Etienne]

I think a big part of the reason that some people bash Canon is that we expect Canon to dazzle with every new product, and often they simply offer modest improvements.

The latest round hits below my hopes in key areas:

I wanted the 5DIV to have a practical 4K option, top notch 1080p, a swivel screen, and at least some video tools like focus peaking for manual lenses. I would have grabbed one for sure, but as it is I'm staying with my 5D3 (at least it has magic lantern). In body IS would have been great too. Makes me lean towards the A7s ii

I wanted the M5 to have a swivel screen and some sort of 4K option. At least it has focus peaking (but withholding that on the 5D4, what's up with that nonsense?). A proper IBIS would have been appreciated as well. This makes me lean towards the A6500, which has it's own problems as well.

No manufacturer offers an obvious all-around winner, and I thought one of them would by now. I was confident that it was going to be the 5D4, but it didn't get there. The best summary of the 5D4 is that it is an awesome camera for photographers, who may want to capture the odd video here and there. I think that's a missed opportunity for Canon. It should have been the killer all-in-one camera for those who want to capture both in one compact device.

 

[Ryananthony]

So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

I did not ask for f/1.4L EF-M lenses. I have no idea where you got that.

I'm just saying my 5D3 mops the floor handling/controls/ergonomics/shooting experience-wise with EOS M (of any flavor) and I'll continue to use the larger rig for that reason.

So, yes: I'm glad to put a 28 IS or 50 f/1.4 on my 5D3 and take it out 'casual going out stuff'. I do all the time. It's compact, handles brilliantly and isn't that much bigger than the tiny mirrorless option. It's not a social stigma or problem at all these days, especially considering we have dipsh--s ruining concerts and public events with iPad photography, selfie-sticks, etc.

- A

You and me both. If my 1DX isn't coming with me, for sure my 5D3 is. It comes everywhere.

I usually only take my Iphone to social events. I personally can't fathom taking and watching over so much gear on casual outings and trips. I can even LR/PS the photos and share them instantly. I would definitely say that I can capture a shot faster than someone can take that camera out of their bag, remove the lens cap, flip the switch, bring it to their eye and press the shutter. It won't have an 85L on 35mm aesthetic, but those hundreds of shots need data management and processing and 99.9% won't ever see a print.

I don't take a bunch of gear, but I do a single body and lens. With that said, my lens caps are never on. My camera is always turned on and asleep, beside me, or on me, not in a camera bag. I understand it isn't for everyone, but ive taken about 50 photos on my phone in the last 2 years of ownership, most of which are trivial shots that hold no value.

I would rather bring my camera and not use it, then not bring it and wish I had. I am not professional, as you may be. If my career was using my camera 8 hours a day, I'm sure I would feel differently.

 

[Etienne]

So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

I did not ask for f/1.4L EF-M lenses. I have no idea where you got that.

I'm just saying my 5D3 mops the floor handling/controls/ergonomics/shooting experience-wise with EOS M (of any flavor) and I'll continue to use the larger rig for that reason.

So, yes: I'm glad to put a 28 IS or 50 f/1.4 on my 5D3 and take it out for 'casual going out stuff'. I do all the time. It's compact, handles brilliantly and isn't that much bigger than the tiny mirrorless option. It's not a social stigma or problem at all these days, especially considering we have dipsh--s ruining concerts and public events with iPad photography, selfie-sticks, etc.

- A

I agree...

I go out regularly with the 5D3 with the 28 f/2.8 IS and 50 f/1.4, often with just one of those lenses. In fact the 5D3 with 28 f/2.8 IS is amazing.

But I do prefer the size of my M3 with 22mm f/2 and 11-22mm IS lenses. The size makes a big difference in crowded coffee shops, cars, planes ... anywhere tight.

 

[Nininini]

I modeled it to size specs, sorta.

Current STM 18-55mm VS new one.

It's a good reduction in size.

Now do the reduction for the 55-250mm pls!

 

[Loswr]

Pretty much this. It's all about the mindset, not the specs/hardware. Everyone just has GAS here.

Everyone does not have GAS here. That's ridiculous.

Maybe s/he's just referring to their own warm, smelly breath.

 

[ahsanford]

I modeled it to size specs, sorta.

Current STM 18-55mm VS new one.

It's a good reduction in size.

Now do the reduction for the 55-250mm pls!

Dude, that was so yesterday. Do keep up.

- A

 

[Bob Howland]

All I can think is when I look at this is "Rangefinder".

It's almost tragic that Sony of all companies is the only one willing to push that format, but everyone else, even Fuji, is hesitant to release a new Rangefinder body (besides their pet project the X-Pro).

"Tragic" may be overstating it a bit, but it wouldn't seem all that hard to rearrange the circuitry inside the M5 to make a rangefinder style M body. The constraint of having to keep the viewfinder mirrors and viewfinder itself centered over the lens, like an SLR, is gone in a mirrorless camera. Surely Canon can introduce one rangefinder style body for the M-series.

 

[ahsanford]

All I can think is when I look at this is "Rangefinder".

It's almost tragic that Sony of all companies is the only one willing to push that format, but everyone else, even Fuji, is hesitant to release a new Rangefinder body (besides their pet project the X-Pro).

Sony sells a rangefinder? Since when? Bolting an OVF on top of an RX1 hardly qualifies.

It's Fuji X-Pro 1/2, Leica or bust for digital rangefinders with OVFs, is it not? (Am I forgetting anyone?)

- A

 

[Aaron D]

I like it! I like the ring around the shutter release, I like the looks of the "range-finder style" body, I like the compact size and the available EVF. And the two "C"s, and the compensation dial. What I would prefer though is a built-in EVF so it doesn't stick out - and full-frame. All else I do is full-frame, so it would bug me to have to live with even a little bit less image quality than that (5Diii + 5Div). And no serious fast fixed frame lenses! I will probably wait for a new 6Dii (sounds like it will be smaller than the current one) and get a small 35 f2 IS to go with.

If canon is reading this: how about a full-frame with range-finder style body AND built-in EVF and a flippy screen. And some tiny, reasonably fast (so as not to ruin the tiny-ness) prime lenses? Name it whatever you like!

A

 

[rrcphoto]

All I can think is when I look at this is "Rangefinder".

It's almost tragic that Sony of all companies is the only one willing to push that format, but everyone else, even Fuji, is hesitant to release a new Rangefinder body (besides their pet project the X-Pro).

why? canon used silver and black in none rangefinder cameras in the past. it doesn't mean rangefinder.

and 2/3's of the population have their dominant eye being their right one, the other 1/3 do not.

also that then makes it harder for the flash to see over the lens, or even have a flash at all.

sony push rangefinder .. HUH?

what do you think the new fuji X100F is?

 

[ahsanford]

I could be mistaken, but it appears that some folks (above and beyond this thread) are conflating an actual rangefinder camera with 'the look/style of the camera being reminiscent of a rangefinder'.

I'd love a classic definition from someone more knowledgeable, as I often hear broad and loose interpretation of rangefinder ("this digital rangefinder with its retro styling") or an unbelievably specific expectation of what one is ("The VF must be on the left side and be a manual focus system"), but I always thought a rangefinder was defined as having an integral optical viewfinder that is off-axis of the optical path from the lens to the film or sensor. So there's no need for a mirror, but your OVF may not exactly reflect what you are about to capture, your lens may obstruct your view, etc.

(For instance, an EVF-only camera is not a rangefinder, correct?)

So in the digital world:

Fuji X100 = rangefinder with benefits (EVF/OVF hybrid)
Fuji X-Pro 1 = rangefinder with benefits (EVF/OVF hybrid)
Leica M = rangefinder

The rest of the Fuji X line = not a rangefinder, just a contemporary mirrorless rig
Leica Q, Leica SL = not a rangefinder, just a contemporary mirrorless rig
Sony A7 = not a rangefinder, just a contemporary mirrorless rig

...and so on.

And we can debate whether slapping a modular OVF on a non-OVF rig (RX1 series has this as does a number of other Leica and Olympus lines) is considered a rangefinder.

But straighten me out, please. What do you consider a rangefinder camera? Just an off-axis OVF or must it be the whole deal, sliding range to focus and all?

- A

 

[AvTvM]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangefinder_camera

only Leica M cameras (digital models) are digital rangefinder cameras.
fuji x100, x-pro 1+2 are "hybrid/electronic" rangefinders cameras: split image overlay is electronic (evf), not optical.

everything else is simply retro-styled stuff, somehow remoniscent of rangefinder cameras in their outer appearance.

digital cameras with an optical "tunnel" viewfinder (eg earlier canon powershot g models) are definitely no rangefinder cameras.

in gernan we differentiate "mess-sucher kameras" (currently only made by Leica) vs. "Sucherkameras" (optical tunnel viewfinder) vs "reflex kameras" (mirror + pentaprism/pentamirror + OVF = DSLRs).

 

[goldenhusky]

As posted last night -- though some buttons have changed shape/location a bit, it's basically an M3 with respect to form-factor.

- A

Thank you. Good to know this is the same size and form factor as M3

 

[rrcphoto]

and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

 

[JBSF]

What a waste of development and marketing time and a major fail of program management...

The M5 was fine except for:
- NO 4K
- NO flip out articulating LCD
- NO headphone jack
- NOT enough native EF-M glass

If Canon had fixed those they would have been a contender in mirror less.
I know their mantra is "evolution not revolution" in product development.
But they are so far behind.
We sell boatloads of Panasonic Lumix/Olympus and even Sony mirrorless compared to paltry Canon M series offering/sales.
And the first two models were pathetic compared to the competition.
I can buy anything in the store at a discount and I bought the M5 with 5 lenses and the adapter to stay loyal (over a dozen Canon production work DSLR's and two bridge cameras for happy snapping)
It is ok but just now worthy of usage but compared to the competition - not there, again.
In fact a month ago I also bought the Panasonic Lumix FZ2500 video/bridge camera and it's Leica lens and feature set kick the M5's ass in the pictures produce. Canon has *nothing* to compare in the bridge cam arena and certainly not in a mirrorless product.

THIS M6 model as described and shown in the leak is DEVOLUTION NOT EVEN EVOLUTION and sure as hell is NOT revolution.

Surely you don't mean that the image quality from the FZ2500 surpasses that of the M5?

 

[rrcphoto]

and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

also...

a new remote.. is this a bluetooth remote maybe?

 

[Loswr]

and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

So I may be replacing my M2... Works well, it's about time for my oldest daughter to switch from a P&S to an ILC.

 

[goldenhusky]

I bought the M3 during the holiday Canon refurb sale and hated it due to shutter lag. Unless I received a bad copy, the shutter lag was worse than any SLR and mirror-less camera I have ever used. So I returned it. I think the price for M6 is still unknown. I am guessing Canon will price this around the $600 - $700 mark.Regardless I don't think I will buy a Canon's mirror-less until they add a decent (compression with a better codec) 4k video recording capability. I am very happy with 5Dm4 and 80D.