Images of the Canon EOS M6 & EVF Have Leaked

Re: Canon EOS M6 & EVF Images Have Leaked

ahsanford said:
Dylan777 said:
Love the looks of those range style cams, especially with silver top.

Since I can't afford Leica M10, I have x100F(Silver) on pre-order :)

Fixed that for you, lest we forget our chosen camera company sells a very affordable M10.

- A

;D....Canon m10 is nowhere near range style ;)
 
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rang said:
What a waste of development and marketing time and a major fail of program management...

The M5 was fine except for:
- NO 4K
- NO flip out articulating LCD
- NO headphone jack
- NOT enough native EF-M glass

If Canon had fixed those they would have been a contender in mirror less.

Let's see...they're #3 for global MILC market share, and in Japan last year they were #2, beating out everyone but Olympus. And that's with a relatively limited investment in MILC lines and lenses. Yeah, they're they're just beating others up with one hand tied behind their back...not a contender at all. ::)


rang said:
But they are so far behind.
We sell boatloads of Panasonic Lumix/Olympus and even Sony mirrorless compared to paltry Canon M series offering/sales.
And the first two models were pathetic compared to the competition.

With respect, no one cares what cameras you sell in your little shop in one city in one little corner of the world. Well, no one but you and whoever you work for. ;)

Incidentally, the first EOS M was the second-best selling MILC in the largest geographical market for the segment...so your opnion of it as 'pathetic' is certainly anything but universal.
 
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ahsanford said:
rpiotr01 said:
What is the purpose of this camera? That is to say, who is it for? I don't really know.

You need to be more specific. Did you mean...

  • Who wants a camera in this form factor / without an integral EVF?
  • Who wants a mirrorless camera in general?
  • Who wants something that looks like that?

I can't tell if you are disappointed at what it is / what it looks like / what it does or doesn't have, etc. Walk us to the road of your discontent and answers may follow. :)

- A

Fair enough :)

Firstly there is no discontent, and I'm not disappointed. My questions are not about specific features, but more, I guess, about what Canon already offers in this segment. There is the M3, the M5 and a bunch of different Rebel DLSRs, plus 70D and 80D right? I know there is a lot of variation in those models, but what sets this M6 apart meaningfully from the others? And even if there is a niche, it seems like it's a pretty specific niche, no?

I have an original EOS M and a 5DIII that I use happily (with eyes on 6DII) so admittedly I am well out of the technology loop here - please be gentle!
 
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neuroanatomist said:
rang said:
What a waste of development and marketing time and a major fail of program management...

The M5 was fine except for:
- NO 4K
- NO flip out articulating LCD
- NO headphone jack
- NOT enough native EF-M glass

If Canon had fixed those they would have been a contender in mirror less.

Let's see...they're #3 for global MILC market share, and in Japan last year they were #2, beating out everyone but Olympus. And that's with a relatively limited investment in MILC lines and lenses. Yeah, they're they're just beating others up with one hand tied behind their back...not a contender at all. ::)

actually they are #2 globally.
 
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rrcphoto said:
neuroanatomist said:
rang said:
What a waste of development and marketing time and a major fail of program management...

The M5 was fine except for:
- NO 4K
- NO flip out articulating LCD
- NO headphone jack
- NOT enough native EF-M glass

If Canon had fixed those they would have been a contender in mirror less.

Let's see...they're #3 for global MILC market share, and in Japan last year they were #2, beating out everyone but Olympus. And that's with a relatively limited investment in MILC lines and lenses. Yeah, they're they're just beating others up with one hand tied behind their back...not a contender at all. ::)

actually they are #2 globally.

So...even more not a contender. ;)
 
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ahsanford said:
LDS said:
rang said:
I bought the M5 with 5 lenses and the adapter to stay loyal

Why stay loyal? Canon is not your wife, your family, or friends . You don't owe anything to it. As long people buy, and sales are good, why should Canon be worried? I would never buy anything I don't like just to "stay loyal".

+1. Love Canon and am often accused of being an apologist for them, but I see mirrorless being a work in progress that I will not make major system investment in (with any manufacturer) for the next 5 years or so.

But I would totally buy a small non-Canon setup for travel and avoid building up a collection of lenses/flashes/accessories for it. I'd consider buying a Fuji X rig with a single staple prime or possibly a fixed lens mirrorless rig (x100, RX1, Leica Q, etc.) as I would use it as a smaller travel setup.

Will I ever bolt EF glass on to a future EOS M or Canon FF mirrorless setup? Sure, but my 5D3 would mop the floor with it handling/functionality/responsiveness/battery-wise, so why suffer a downgrade just to enjoy mirrorless? Just wait until mirrorless gets good enough to be nearly seamless for the way you shoot -- for each of us, that timeframe might range from right now (mirrorless enthusiasts) to 10+ years (sports/wildlifers). I'm probably somewhere in the middle, hence my 5 year guess.

- A

So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
rrcphoto said:
neuroanatomist said:
rang said:
What a waste of development and marketing time and a major fail of program management...

The M5 was fine except for:
- NO 4K
- NO flip out articulating LCD
- NO headphone jack
- NOT enough native EF-M glass

If Canon had fixed those they would have been a contender in mirror less.

Let's see...they're #3 for global MILC market share, and in Japan last year they were #2, beating out everyone but Olympus. And that's with a relatively limited investment in MILC lines and lenses. Yeah, they're they're just beating others up with one hand tied behind their back...not a contender at all. ::)

actually they are #2 globally.

So...even more not a contender. ;)

clearly not ;)

canon's plodding course should worry the mirrorless companies.

canon's main EF lineup goes against the more expensive options from mirrorless, and then they are undercutting everyone by offering a very inexpensive EF-M system.

even though some are whining about options or 4K .. canon covers such a wide ecosystem under EOS.. if this camera has DPAF sensor as well, that means from the M6 through CINI-EOS canon has bodies in every area possible

M10,M6, M5
SL1 (maybe still), T6, T6I, T6S, 80D, 7D mark II, 6D, 5D Mark IV, 5Ds, 1D Mark II
C100, C300, C500, C700

that's alot of possibilities for EF glass if you ask me.
 
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ShootingStars said:
ahsanford said:
+1. Love Canon and am often accused of being an apologist for them, but I see mirrorless being a work in progress that I will not make major system investment in (with any manufacturer) for the next 5 years or so.

But I would totally buy a small non-Canon setup for travel and avoid building up a collection of lenses/flashes/accessories for it. I'd consider buying a Fuji X rig with a single staple prime or possibly a fixed lens mirrorless rig (x100, RX1, Leica Q, etc.) as I would use it as a smaller travel setup.

Will I ever bolt EF glass on to a future EOS M or Canon FF mirrorless setup? Sure, but my 5D3 would mop the floor with it handling/functionality/responsiveness/battery-wise, so why suffer a downgrade just to enjoy mirrorless? Just wait until mirrorless gets good enough to be nearly seamless for the way you shoot -- for each of us, that timeframe might range from right now (mirrorless enthusiasts) to 10+ years (sports/wildlifers). I'm probably somewhere in the middle, hence my 5 year guess.

So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

So where did he say that? Do you know anything about reading comprehension...or even basic punctuation?
 
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Dylan777 said:
ahsanford said:
LDS said:
rang said:
I bought the M5 with 5 lenses and the adapter to stay loyal

Why stay loyal? Canon is not your wife, your family, or friends . You don't owe anything to it. As long people buy, and sales are good, why should Canon be worried? I would never buy anything I don't like just to "stay loyal".

+1. Love Canon and am often accused of being an apologist for them, but I see mirrorless being a work in progress that I will not make major system investment in (with any manufacturer) for the next 5 years or so.

But I would totally buy a small non-Canon setup for travel and avoid building up a collection of lenses/flashes/accessories for it. I'd consider buying a Fuji X rig with a single staple prime or possibly a fixed lens mirrorless rig (x100, RX1, Leica Q, etc.) as I would use it as a smaller travel setup.

Will I ever bolt EF glass on to a future EOS M or Canon FF mirrorless setup? Sure, but my 5D3 would mop the floor with it handling/functionality/responsiveness/battery-wise, so why suffer a downgrade just to enjoy mirrorless? Just wait until mirrorless gets good enough to be nearly seamless for the way you shoot -- for each of us, that timeframe might range from right now (mirrorless enthusiasts) to 10+ years (sports/wildlifers). I'm probably somewhere in the middle, hence my 5 year guess.

- A

For last couple years, I have hand-on many mirrorless systems(except Leica). Fuji seems to hit the sweet spot best. From off to ready to shoot is near DSLR. All the control functions are up front. Fuji primes are just amazing. Skin tone from JPEG SOOC is one of the best.

I was a loyal Canon user for many many years starting from the 20D. I briefly switched to Nikon during the D3 years and didn't like the ergonomics and the reverse lens mount, so I was back to shooting Canon a year or so later.

When I first ventured into mirror-less at some point a few years ago I was looking for substantial weight savings to reduce my corporate event coverage work kit sometimes involving air-flight travel, so MFT was the best compromise at the time and let me shave off more than 12-15lbs off my working kit sometimes for more than 8-12 hours a day. While it's performance envelope is obviously narrower than a pro-level Canon kit, I still kept all of my EF glass and bodies at the time. Soon enough, coincidentally I started to cover sports work less and less, so I wasn't overly concerned with tracking AF and sold off my EF bodies and accessories and just kept the glass and was shooting mirror-less exclusively.

But the real change was my mindset. It wasn't until I ventured into mirror-less that it opened up a different perception on what I wanted out of my gear. There were manufacturers wanting to make a statement through innovation and others who were not overly concerned in protecting their alternative product lines that have made the acquisition process easier, lighter or smaller for me over the years.

I don't purchase based on loyalty, market-share or manufacturer sales performance. If I had stayed loyal to one manufacturer, I might have not been able to enjoy or broaden my service into film and video. A simplest example of this was when I was still shooting on DSLRs years ago, I didn't know it was possible to capture low or high angle shots that easily without having to spray and pray or go prone when all I knew was fixed non articulating screens.

Think about what you really want out of your system and do your due diligence between feature sets and obsolescence and make a decision.
 
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ShootingStars said:
So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

I did not ask for f/1.4L EF-M lenses. I have no idea where you got that.

I'm just saying my 5D3 mops the floor handling/controls/ergonomics/shooting experience-wise with EOS M (of any flavor) and I'll continue to use the larger rig for that reason.

So, yes: I'm glad to put a 28 IS or 50 f/1.4 on my 5D3 and take it out for 'casual going out stuff'. I do all the time. It's compact, handles brilliantly and isn't that much bigger than the tiny mirrorless option. It's not a social stigma or problem at all these days, especially considering we have dipsh--s ruining concerts and public events with iPad photography, selfie-sticks, etc.

- A
 
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here is hoping it is M5 innards in M3 body. especially same DPAF sensor as in M5. i prefer smaller form factor for mountaineering and city trips and street. EVF available when needed.

pricing of body only and kit with EVF will be interesting. M3 + EVF was not available as (reasonably priced) kit in Europe, only in Japan.
 
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ShootingStars said:
So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

I frequently carry my 1DxII and 35 f/1.4 II to anything I know I am going to take pictures at, including social functions. Would I like a smaller rig? Sure, but nothing out there (until i get a 5D4) offers what it does for less size.
 
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Re: Canon EOS M6 & EVF Images Have Leaked

Dylan777 said:
ahsanford said:
Dylan777 said:
Love the looks of those range style cams, especially with silver top.

Since I can't afford Leica M10, I have x100F(Silver) on pre-order :)

Fixed that for you, lest we forget our chosen camera company sells a very affordable M10.

- A

;D....Canon m10 is nowhere near range style ;)


I am wondering if the Canon M10 is to be discontinued...
 
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ahsanford said:
ShootingStars said:
So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

I did not ask for f/1.4L EF-M lenses. I have no idea where you got that.

I'm just saying my 5D3 mops the floor handling/controls/ergonomics/shooting experience-wise with EOS M (of any flavor) and I'll continue to use the larger rig for that reason.

So, yes: I'm glad to put a 28 IS or 50 f/1.4 on my 5D3 and take it out 'casual going out stuff'. I do all the time. It's compact, handles brilliantly and isn't that much bigger than the tiny mirrorless option. It's not a social stigma or problem at all these days, especially considering we have dipsh--s ruining concerts and public events with iPad photography, selfie-sticks, etc.

- A

You and me both. If my 1DX isn't coming with me, for sure my 5D3 is. It comes everywhere.
 
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jayphotoworks said:
Dylan777 said:
ahsanford said:
LDS said:
rang said:
I bought the M5 with 5 lenses and the adapter to stay loyal

Why stay loyal? Canon is not your wife, your family, or friends . You don't owe anything to it. As long people buy, and sales are good, why should Canon be worried? I would never buy anything I don't like just to "stay loyal".

+1. Love Canon and am often accused of being an apologist for them, but I see mirrorless being a work in progress that I will not make major system investment in (with any manufacturer) for the next 5 years or so.

But I would totally buy a small non-Canon setup for travel and avoid building up a collection of lenses/flashes/accessories for it. I'd consider buying a Fuji X rig with a single staple prime or possibly a fixed lens mirrorless rig (x100, RX1, Leica Q, etc.) as I would use it as a smaller travel setup.

Will I ever bolt EF glass on to a future EOS M or Canon FF mirrorless setup? Sure, but my 5D3 would mop the floor with it handling/functionality/responsiveness/battery-wise, so why suffer a downgrade just to enjoy mirrorless? Just wait until mirrorless gets good enough to be nearly seamless for the way you shoot -- for each of us, that timeframe might range from right now (mirrorless enthusiasts) to 10+ years (sports/wildlifers). I'm probably somewhere in the middle, hence my 5 year guess.

- A

For last couple years, I have hand-on many mirrorless systems(except Leica). Fuji seems to hit the sweet spot best. From off to ready to shoot is near DSLR. All the control functions are up front. Fuji primes are just amazing. Skin tone from JPEG SOOC is one of the best.

I was a loyal Canon user for many many years starting from the 20D. I briefly switched to Nikon during the D3 years and didn't like the ergonomics and the reverse lens mount, so I was back to shooting Canon a year or so later.

When I first ventured into mirror-less at some point a few years ago I was looking for substantial weight savings to reduce my corporate event coverage work kit sometimes involving air-flight travel, so MFT was the best compromise at the time and let me shave off more than 12-15lbs off my working kit sometimes for more than 8-12 hours a day. While it's performance envelope is obviously narrower than a pro-level Canon kit, I still kept all of my EF glass and bodies at the time. Soon enough, coincidentally I started to cover sports work less and less, so I wasn't overly concerned with tracking AF and sold off my EF bodies and accessories and just kept the glass and was shooting mirror-less exclusively.

But the real change was my mindset. It wasn't until I ventured into mirror-less that it opened up a different perception on what I wanted out of my gear. There were manufacturers wanting to make a statement through innovation and others who were not overly concerned in protecting their alternative product lines that have made the acquisition process easier, lighter or smaller for me over the years.

I don't purchase based on loyalty, market-share or manufacturer sales performance. If I had stayed loyal to one manufacturer, I might have not been able to enjoy or broaden my service into film and video. A simplest example of this was when I was still shooting on DSLRs years ago, I didn't know it was possible to capture low or high angle shots that easily without having to spray and pray or go prone when all I knew was fixed non articulating screens.

Think about what you really want out of your system and do your due diligence between feature sets and obsolescence and make a decision.

Pretty much this. It's all about the mindset, not the specs/hardware. Everyone just has GAS here.
 
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Etienne said:
...........
I hope you're right, but that photo is not reliable. Another site claims "We have wide LCD screen on the rear side tilting design (85° up, 180° down) to better enable working from high and low angles."
http://thenewcamera.com/canon-eos-m6-images-leaked/

It can tilt down, up and up and over like shown. It has multiple hinges.
 
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Ryananthony said:
ahsanford said:
ShootingStars said:
So you're going to bring a massive 5D3 body to all your casual out going stuff? Sure buddy. I'd rather carry a small body and a nice EF lenses that kind of stuff. Canon ain't stupid to cannibalize their L lens lineup with f/1.4 EFM lens. Do you know anything about business.

I did not ask for f/1.4L EF-M lenses. I have no idea where you got that.

I'm just saying my 5D3 mops the floor handling/controls/ergonomics/shooting experience-wise with EOS M (of any flavor) and I'll continue to use the larger rig for that reason.

So, yes: I'm glad to put a 28 IS or 50 f/1.4 on my 5D3 and take it out 'casual going out stuff'. I do all the time. It's compact, handles brilliantly and isn't that much bigger than the tiny mirrorless option. It's not a social stigma or problem at all these days, especially considering we have dipsh--s ruining concerts and public events with iPad photography, selfie-sticks, etc.

- A

You and me both. If my 1DX isn't coming with me, for sure my 5D3 is. It comes everywhere.

I usually only take my Iphone to social events. I personally can't fathom taking and watching over so much gear on casual outings and trips. I can even LR/PS the photos and share them instantly. I would definitely say that I can capture a shot faster than someone can take that camera out of their bag, remove the lens cap, flip the switch, bring it to their eye and press the shutter. It won't have an 85L on 35mm aesthetic, but those hundreds of shots need data management and processing and 99.9% won't ever see a print.
 
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