Images of the Canon EOS M6 & EVF Have Leaked

rrcphoto said:
rrcphoto said:
and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

also...

a new remote.. is this a bluetooth remote maybe?

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Thanks for the specs and info on the remote :)
 
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goldenhusky said:
I bought the M3 during the holiday Canon refurb sale and hated it due to shutter lag. Unless I received a bad copy, the shutter lag was worse than any SLR and mirror-less camera I have ever used. So I returned it. I think the price for M6 is still unknown. I am guessing Canon will price this around the $600 - $700 mark.Regardless I don't think I will buy a Canon's mirror-less until they add a decent (compression with a better codec) 4k video recording capability. I am very happy with 5Dm4 and 80D.

Hmmm...

M5 body only = $979

Virtually identical specs to the M5 minus a viewfinder = body only $800, EVF $200?

You don't think they'd mark it up by selling it piecemeal like that, would they? Perhaps they kit the EVF in some cases?

- A
 
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goldenhusky said:
after taking a closer looks the remote may be for the power zoom adapter PZ-E1 since it has W and T buttons?

Good eye. Can focus by wire lenses be zoomed by wire -- which could be potentially huge for product reviewers, unboxing videos, youtube stuff, etc. -- or is the power zoom doodad required to do that?

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
goldenhusky said:
I bought the M3 during the holiday Canon refurb sale and hated it due to shutter lag. Unless I received a bad copy, the shutter lag was worse than any SLR and mirror-less camera I have ever used. So I returned it. I think the price for M6 is still unknown. I am guessing Canon will price this around the $600 - $700 mark.Regardless I don't think I will buy a Canon's mirror-less until they add a decent (compression with a better codec) 4k video recording capability. I am very happy with 5Dm4 and 80D.

Hmmm...

M5 body only = $979

Virtually identical specs to the M5 minus a viewfinder = body only $800, EVF $200?

You don't think they'd mark it up by selling it piecemeal like that, would they? Perhaps they kit the EVF in some cases?

- A

maybe a little less. the M3 released at 679 body only in the USA.


perhaps it depends more on the sensor. looking at those specs it could go either way.. the M3 sensor, or the M5 sensor.
 
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Even with focus peaking I am doing badly with the EF-M lenses when it come to Manual focusing. However I can do very well with any manual focus lens. Is it due to the "focus by wire"of the EF_M lens? Any comment will be appreciated.
 
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If the specs of the M6 are essentially the same as those of the M5, then I guess that's good, but I'm a little confused now:

Why would Canon, within 4 or 5 months, release 2 cameras essentially the same, but with slightly different form factors? The M5 and M6 are not HUGELY different in size. And as someone else said, by the time you've paid for the (sexy) EVF-DC2, they're probably not far apart in price either.

Are they REALLY just releasing the same camera in 2 forms, just to cater for different people's style/ergonomic tastes?

Also, I'm a little (tiny bit) annoyed, because I was all set to buy the M5, but now I'm less sure, and may wait for the release and reviews of the M6.

Still, better that the M6 comes out BEFORE I buy, than immediately AFTER, I suppose!
 
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Fleetie said:
If the specs of the M6 are essentially the same as those of the M5, then I guess that's good, but I'm a little confused now:

Why would Canon, within 4 or 5 months, release 2 cameras essentially the same, but with slightly different form factors? The M5 and M6 are not HUGELY different in size. And as someone else said, by the time you've paid for the (sexy) EVF-DC2, they're probably not far apart in price either.

Are they REALLY just releasing the same camera in 2 forms, just to cater for different people's style/ergonomic tastes?

Also, I'm a little (tiny bit) annoyed, because I was all set to buy the M5, but now I'm less sure, and may wait for the release and reviews of the M6.

Still, better that the M6 comes out BEFORE I buy, than immediately AFTER, I suppose!

Fuji has like 3 cameras that are all the same ( or at least very similar) minus the form factor. Xpro1, xe1, xt1, xt10.

A couple have been updated now, so they are no longer similar, but I hope my point gets across. I also remember seeing people complain about the m5 SLR-like EVF bump on top, saying how it is not as pocketable as the m3. It makes sense to me keep a small package M That is upgraded like the M5.
 
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The M5 is just a BIT too bulky for my liking. However, this M6 - depending on its feature set - may be just right.

I like my M10 overall, but sometimes I want just a bit more. If the M6 ends up simply being an M5 with a detachable EVF (and the price is not outrageous), I may wind up upgrading. With the M5, I'd have to keep the M10 around for size purposes, but with the M6, having the best of both worlds would make it quite a flexible tool.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
rrcphoto said:
and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

So I may be replacing my M2... Works well, it's about time for my oldest daughter to switch from a P&S to an ILC.

I was thinking the same, also looking to maybe replace my M2 which is still one of my all time fave cameras to use. Going from M2 to this would be a serious upgrade, endless fun to be had there!

Not sure I follow all the hate around this M6, maybe some folk are looking at this as the update to the M5 due to the numbering? I see it as Canon tempting us M1, M2 and M3 folk to come out of hiding and spend a little money this year.

This and that 18-150 lens and I'll be all set for another 2 or 3 years.
 
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Act444 said:
The M5 is just a BIT too bulky for my liking. However, this M6 - depending on its feature set - may be just right.

I like my M10 overall, but sometimes I want just a bit more. If the M6 ends up simply being an M5 with a detachable EVF (and the price is not outrageous), I may wind up upgrading. With the M5, I'd have to keep the M10 around for size purposes, but with the M6, having the best of both worlds would make it quite a flexible tool.

I agree...it may be even better to have the lens move over to the left a little to free up more room for the grip. M5 is just too bulky.
 
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rrcphoto said:
Zv said:
This and that 18-150 lens and I'll be all set for another 2 or 3 years.

agreed on the 18-150mm that and the 11-22 makes a pretty awesome small travel kit.

Yup, exactly what I was thinking. Take those two and the M6, leave the 6D + 25-105L + 16-35 at home. It means I can pack a smaller tripod too. Maybe stick the 50STM + EF adapter in there for good measure. IQ should be more than adequate for those holiday snaps.

I haven't tried any of the new gen of crop cameras but I'll bet I'll be fairly impressed with the IQ. The M2 is already better than the 550D I started out with only it fits in my pocket. That's some insane performance to size ratio IMO. I can do a lot with just a kit lens. Most of my shots are at f/8 or smaller.
 
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LDS said:
rang said:
I bought the M5 with 5 lenses and the adapter to stay loyal

Why stay loyal? Canon is not your wife, your family, or friends . You don't owe anything to it. As long people buy, and sales are good, why should Canon be worried? I would never buy anything I don't like just to "stay loyal".

It's a matter of glass "hand cuffs" from 800 prime to STM's for fun stuff.
If the company is going to go mirrorless - why putz around - for years.???
That's just stupid program management.

Don't get me wrong I like the M5 it works but it is just way to little way to late to be in the game seriously.
The missing elements I mentioned are default features that I would expect from a serious contender. At this point in time it's a happy snapper nothing more.
And like I said unless a lot of the most recent postings of just rumors of the internal specs end up being in a released product with an integral flash/EVF...it's a disappointment.
 
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rrcphoto said:
and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

No mention of DPAF. Or do you think we take take it for granted? (49 AF points seems to be identical parameter to M5?).

Well, and not even basic 4K argument :-) They could at least provide FullHD in 120 fps for better slow-mo ...

Anyway, not much of a videographere here, so if DPAF is confirmed, that's our first mirrorless to our DSRL family. The thing I am missing though, is having faster lens. My first one is going to be 22mm f2 pancake one.

Just a question I can't easily answer to myself - if you would shoot identical scene with the G7X II and its 1.8-2.8 lens, and bigger sensor M6 but its typical 3.5 and above - which one would have better noise performance?
 
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-pekr- said:
rrcphoto said:
and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

No mention of DPAF. Or do you think we take take it for granted? (49 AF points seems to be identical parameter to M5?).

Well, and not even basic 4K argument :-) They could at least provide FullHD in 120 fps for better slow-mo ...

Anyway, not much of a videographere here, so if DPAF is confirmed, that's our first mirrorless to our DSRL family. The thing I am missing though, is having faster lens. My first one is going to be 22mm f2 pancake one.

Just a question I can't easily answer to myself - if you would shoot identical scene with the G7X II and its 1.8-2.8 lens, and bigger sensor M6 but its typical 3.5 and above - which one would have better noise performance?
Forever 1080 60p in order to protect this Cinematic Line Market, Canon is Smart.
 
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-pekr- said:
rrcphoto said:
and the specs are out:

Number of effective pixels: Approximately 24.2 million pixels
Video engine: DIGIC 7
AF point: 49 points
Sequential shooting: 7 frames / sec (AF fixed: 9 frames / sec)
ISO sensitivity: 100 to 25600
Shutter speed: 1 / 4000-30, synchronized with strobe = 1/200 second
Video: Full HD, HD, VGA
Liquid Crystal: 3.0 type tilt type touch panel
Size: 112.0 × 68.0 × 44.5 mm
Recording medium: SD / SDHC / SDXC card
Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
Color: Black / Silver


those specs are the same as the EOS-M5.

...

Just a question I can't easily answer to myself - if you would shoot identical scene with the G7X II and its 1.8-2.8 lens, and bigger sensor M6 but its typical 3.5 and above - which one would have better noise performance?

Lens has nothing to do with noise performance. Is your question - G7XII at low ISO vs EOS M5 or 6 at a higher ISO (due to the slower lens)?

So the difference of about 2/3 stop in light approx? Assuming f/2.8 lens vs a f/3.5 lens you would be going from say ISO 100 to 160 on the EOS M to compensate for the loss of light. A quite insignificant amount of noise difference there.

What is more significant is the difference in sensor size which will be noticeable at all ISO. The larger sensor of the EOS M will win. No competition (1inch vs APS-C)

I guess a valid question would be at what point does the IQ become comparable? For example does ISO 3200 on the M look like ISO 800 on the G7XII? I'm sure someone more scientific can answer that.
 
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