Is This The Canon EOS M5 Pricing? [CR1]
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lw said:
Canon Rumors is pretty solid. No mistakes. The specs and images are rock solid and confirmed as far as I am concerned. But the cost source and overal unrealisticness makes me think it's not true.
When this situation happens, someone puts a rumor that a camera is cheaper than it actually is, it DESTROYS the camera in sales and expectations.
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1kind said:It would be at M3 pricing with all the increase in specs and features. When the M3 was released, it was $700.swampler said:I was hoping for pricing to be closer to the current M3 pricing. Not sure it's worth that much to me.
How could it be EOS M3 price when it's an upper market product from canon? Simply impossible.
The EOS M3 is the Rebel put into a mirrorless, and at launch it costs more than the rebel.
The EOS M5 is the 80D put into a mirrorless, so you can see my point. It will not just be 80D price, but most likely more.
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M1 and M2 and M3 have not moved up market. They simply correspond to rebel upgrades. they are upgrades to the same class of camera. However the EOS M5 is an up market movement. NOT a replacement for the EOS M3.
The EOS M3 will have no successor, and the EOS M10 will take its position as the rebel-into-mirrorless camera. Unless they want to keep three classes of EOS M's (one noob one m3 one 80d advanced) but I doubt it. Two is probably it.
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Evidence of:
EOS M1/M2/M3 are rebel mirrorless versions:
M3 is the Mirrorless version of the T6i.
-Same 24.2mp sensor
-Same Hybrid CMOS AF III system
-Same Digic 6 Processor
-Same Touchscreen specs, and size
-Same Wifi and NFC capabilities
-Same 4-5 Burst rate
-Same 1080p 30p max video (not 60p)
M5 is the Mirrorless version of the 80D.
(Based on rumors that CR never missed before)
-Same 24mp sensor
-Same Dual Pixel Auto focus system
-Same Touch Panel
-Same more Command dial/s
-Same 1080p 60p (vs 30)
-Same 7 fps burst rate
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It's Clear this is an upmarket Mirrorless and Canon is making them on the same pyramid chain as their DSLR line up.
-M10 = 1300D (exactly)
-M3 = T6i (exactly)
-M5 = 80D (exactly?)
This is all speculation and how I see it.
It's NOT going to be 800$, not going to be cheaper than the 80D. EVER.
Giving a rumor of a very low price to a camera and make people expect it, then introducing the normal number, is a known strategy for breaking a product announcement.
EOS M5 WITH THOSE SPECS IS NOT GOING TO BE LESS THAN THE PRICE OF THE 80D WAS AT LAUNCH.
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Josh Denver said:1kind said:It would be at M3 pricing with all the increase in specs and features. When the M3 was released, it was $700.swampler said:I was hoping for pricing to be closer to the current M3 pricing. Not sure it's worth that much to me.
How could it be EOS M3 price when it's an upper market product from canon? Simply impossible.
The EOS M3 is the Rebel put into a mirrorless, and at launch it costs more than the rebel.
The EOS M5 is the 80D put into a mirrorless, so you can see my point. It will not just be 80D price, but most likely more.
saying something in bold and caps won't make it any more true. and you are definitely wrong with the M3 and rebel pricing.
The M3 was $679 at release (but was on pre-order sale for $579 immediately), the T6i was 749 body only at release.
Even with that it was far more expensive then when released in Japan, which was around $475 USD
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5633114766/canon-eos-m3-comes-to-us
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-rebel-t6s-t6i
As stated,the M3 was immediately marked down.
https://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/05707/Canon-EOS-M3-price.html
(if you notice the price dropped in September, the damned camera wasn't available until october), it was marked down as soon as it went on pre-order sales.
So to use your analogy that would put it around 850 to 950 USD. wow that backfired didn't it?
the M5 SHOULD be cheaper.
It doesn't have
a) the pentaprism, iFCL metering, viewfinder displays
b) the PDAF sensor
c) larger more robust camera
d) all the mechanical mirror and sub mirror guts
e) lacks the weathersealing,etc.
The only thing it gains or adds over the 80D is bluetooth and an EVF, and it's far similar for canon to build.
As a matter of fact, after all that, that price looks around right really.
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rrcphoto said:Josh Denver said:1kind said:It would be at M3 pricing with all the increase in specs and features. When the M3 was released, it was $700.swampler said:I was hoping for pricing to be closer to the current M3 pricing. Not sure it's worth that much to me.
How could it be EOS M3 price when it's an upper market product from canon? Simply impossible.
The EOS M3 is the Rebel put into a mirrorless, and at launch it costs more than the rebel.
The EOS M5 is the 80D put into a mirrorless, so you can see my point. It will not just be 80D price, but most likely more.
saying something in bold and caps won't make it any more true. and you are definitely wrong with the M3 and rebel pricing.
The M3 was $679 at release (but was on pre-order sale for $579 immediately), the T6i was 749 body only at release.
Even with that it was far more expensive then when released in Japan, which was around $475 USD
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5633114766/canon-eos-m3-comes-to-us
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-rebel-t6s-t6i
As stated,the M3 was immediately marked down.
https://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/05707/Canon-EOS-M3-price.html
(if you notice the price dropped in September, the damned camera wasn't available until october), it was marked down as soon as it went on pre-order sales.
So to use your analogy that would put it around 850 to 950 USD. wow that backfired didn't it?
the M5 SHOULD be cheaper.
It doesn't have
a) the pentaprism, iFCL metering, viewfinder displays
b) the PDAF sensor
c) larger more robust camera
d) all the mechanical mirror and sub mirror guts
e) lacks the weathersealing,etc.
The only thing it gains or adds over the 80D is bluetooth and an EVF, and it's far similar for canon to build.
As a matter of fact, after all that, that price looks around right really.
Here in Japan on the streets, m2 was more slightly more expensive than t5i. Origial M was selling for the same t4i price when baught as a kit m3 was slightly less expensive than t6i. You got the numbers yourself. All in all, Canon makes no price cuts when they make a mirrorless version, they're all in the same ballpark with different kits.
Canon 80D is 1200$. A mirrorless version is at 1000-1300$. Body Only. That's based on Canon marketing history.
So a sudden shift in Canon believing that the removal of the OVF and AF module and the bigger body/battery lowers the price significantly than the 80d, THEN IT IS TRUE. You'll enjoy the M5 at 799$ (hint: you won't.
Again: Giving a rumor of a very low price to a camera and make people expect it, then introducing the normal number, is a known strategy for breaking a product announcement.
(another hint: Bold + Black makes my words indisputably correct
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Josh Denver said:Here in Japan on the streets, m2 was more slightly more expensive than t5i. Origial M was selling for the same t4i price when baught as a kit m3 was slightly less expensive than t6i. You got the numbers yourself. All in all, Canon makes no price cuts when they make a mirrorless version, they're all in the same ballpark with different kits.
Canon 80D is 1200$. A mirrorless version is at 1000-1300$. Body Only. That's based on Canon marketing history.
So a sudden shift in Canon believing that the removal of the OVF and AF module and the bigger body/battery lowers the price significantly than the 80d, THEN IT IS TRUE. You'll enjoy the M5 at 799$ (hint: you won't.
Again: Giving a rumor of a very low price to a camera and make people expect it, then introducing the normal number, is a known strategy for breaking a product announcement.
(another hint: Bold + Black makes my words indisputably correct
goalpost change .. okay in Japan eh? the M3 was released at around 52,000 Yen. the Rebel X7I was released around 92,000 yen.
The M2 was released at around 64000 yen, the T4I or X6I was 78000 yen
still nope.
try again? and harder?
in neither country was the M's every priced the same as the rebels that were out during it's release cycle.
you may be right on the price - however your reasoning is horribly flawed.
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I meant it's not going to be at current M3 price, hence me stating M3's MSRP at launch. As for price, I think it will be cheaper than 80D's MSRP.Josh Denver said:1kind said:It would be at M3 pricing with all the increase in specs and features. When the M3 was released, it was $700.swampler said:I was hoping for pricing to be closer to the current M3 pricing. Not sure it's worth that much to me.
How could it be EOS M3 price when it's an upper market product from canon? Simply impossible.
The EOS M3 is the Rebel put into a mirrorless, and at launch it costs more than the rebel.
The EOS M5 is the 80D put into a mirrorless, so you can see my point. It will not just be 80D price, but most likely more.
_______________________________________________________________
M1 and M2 and M3 have not moved up market. They simply correspond to rebel upgrades. they are upgrades to the same class of camera. However the EOS M5 is an up market movement. NOT a replacement for the EOS M3.
The EOS M3 will have no successor, and the EOS M10 will take its position as the rebel-into-mirrorless camera. Unless they want to keep three classes of EOS M's (one noob one m3 one 80d advanced) but I doubt it. Two is probably it.
_______________________________________________________________
Evidence of:
EOS M1/M2/M3 are rebel mirrorless versions:
M3 is the Mirrorless version of the T6i.
-Same 24.2mp sensor
-Same Hybrid CMOS AF III system
-Same Digic 6 Processor
-Same Touchscreen specs, and size
-Same Wifi and NFC capabilities
-Same 4-5 Burst rate
-Same 1080p 30p max video (not 60p)
M5 is the Mirrorless version of the 80D.
(Based on rumors that CR never missed before)
-Same 24mp sensor
-Same Dual Pixel Auto focus system
-Same Touch Panel
-Same more Command dial/s
-Same 1080p 60p (vs 30)
-Same 7 fps burst rate
__________________________________________
It's Clear this is an upmarket Mirrorless and Canon is making them on the same pyramid chain as their DSLR line up.
-M10 = 1300D (exactly)
-M3 = T6i (exactly)
-M5 = 80D (exactly?)
This is all speculation and how I see it.
It's NOT going to be 800$, not going to be cheaper than the 80D. EVER.
Giving a rumor of a very low price to a camera and make people expect it, then introducing the normal number, is a known strategy for breaking a product announcement.
EOS M5 WITH THOSE SPECS IS NOT GOING TO BE LESS THAN THE PRICE OF THE 80D WAS AT LAUNCH.
Listing above 80D's price, you essentially just killed off that product since you're competing with it. It already has similar specs and now you're listing at or above its price? I personally had the M5 price pegged at $800-1000. mid point between 80D and M3 launch prices.
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I notice that in all of the discussions of the upcoming M5 no one seems to ask whether Canon will try a system without an anti-aliasing filter.
Don't the dslr's that do not use an aa filter generate sharper images?
Don't the dslr's that do not use an aa filter generate sharper images?
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Admin, you realize the OP in mobile1.com is talking about a recurring dream of his, then somebody asks him what price will be in Taiwan, he then eats dinner and goes to sleep again and dreamed a body only price of NT$29,999 (roughly $950), then he posts that a wise spirit has told him that the 2017 M6 will have a FF 28MP sensor capable of shooting 4K and its AF capability will be on a par with the 90D's, it will couple EF lenses and the price will be NT$80,000 (roughly $2,500)... long story short: he's just spilling BS and we are all wasting our time typing about his BS. Yes, I read Chinese pretty well, thank you.
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