More Canon EOS M5 Images & Specifications

[KeithBreazeal]

I wonder if my L lenses will adapt. Never considered an M series before, but this looks very interesting. My 7D is the only crop body.(not counting the SL-1) Maybe I could retire the 7D with this little gem.

It will work with EF/EF-S lenses with adapter.

Excellent!
Am I correct in thinking that when the full frame lenses' light is condensed to the APS-C you gain a stop or two?

 

[Loswr]

Am I correct in thinking that when the full frame lenses' light is condensed to the APS-C you gain a stop or two?

Not with the Canon adapter, which just adapts the mount (no optics in the adapter) – only the central portion of the image circle is used, just like mounting any EF lens on an APS-C dSLR.

You're talking about using a speedbooster (focal reducer) adapter, which has optics.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

Am I correct in thinking that when the full frame lenses' light is condensed to the APS-C you gain a stop or two?

Not with the Canon adapter, which just adapts the mount (no optics in the adapter) – only the central portion of the image circle is used, just like mounting any EF lens on an APS-C dSLR.

You're talking about using a speedbooster (focal reducer) adapter, which has optics.

Thanks. I need to come up to speed on M series. I'm really liking this new one's specs. At 67, weight is becoming an issue.

 

[LDS]

When you want to play your precious family video some day, are you happy with VHS or miniDV, or you wish it is 4K or even 8K?

Actually, when I play my 'precious' family videos I play 8mm and Super8 films....

 

[scyrene]

Why no IS for stills? I mean, this is really a feature I am waiting for on Canon DSLRs. I guess they restrict it to not ,ake all IS lenses obsolete... but hey, it's no longer cutting edge technology but state of the art. Times change. Such a feature on the Canon 6D mk II would be a dream (yeye, let me dream )

Canon does in-lens IS, not IBIS. That's just how it is, and I'd be amazed if it changed any time soon. It's not a matter of 'restricting'. Do they even have patents for it? Even if they do, they must think in-lens IS is better, either for their bottom line, or for their customers' needs, or both. You want IBIS, look elsewhere, sorry.

 

[rrcphoto]

you DO realize the difference in size of sensors there .. right?

You DO realize 4K IS the standard of video shooting right?

there is no "standard" of video shooting.. lol.

in actuality most broadcast standards are still 1080p24/30

 

[ahsanford]

Why no IS for stills? I mean, this is really a feature I am waiting for on Canon DSLRs. I guess they restrict it to not ,ake all IS lenses obsolete... but hey, it's no longer cutting edge technology but state of the art. Times change. Such a feature on the Canon 6D mk II would be a dream (yeye, let me dream )

If you mean body IS (IBIS), don't hold your breath. Canon has hitched its future to lens IS for a host of reasons.

- A

 

[9VIII]

Without that, this camera is useless to me. I'm not going on an expensive trip and depend on a single SD card to protect my images. I can't just get up and re-travel to different places around the world and recapture the moments and the sights.

Respectfully disagree. All I shoot is a single SD on my 5D3 (burst/buffer/video is a low priority for me) and neither it nor any card I has ever let me down. If it's an expensive / once-in-a-lifetime trip, just bring an external HD, iPad, laptop, etc, and backup what you shoot each day when you get back to the hotel.

Also, is a dual card slot setup a reasonable ask for a (totally guessing) $899-999 camera? In APS-C Mirrorless, Fuji had two slots but those X-Pro 2 and X-T2 rigs cost a great deal more. The Sony a6300 takes two formats but in a single slot if I recall.

- A

to be honest .. people should be numbering their SD cards and rotating them.

just like SSD's .. there's wear leveling built into SD cards, however there is only a finite amount of times you can write to them (like SSD's) before they fail.

a good rotation strategy and more than 1 SD card in your inventory that you use can go a long way to preventing any issues.

Nikon's bluetooth connection actually makes a lot of sense here.
Rotating cards still doesn't save that "once in a lifetime" shot if the card it's on fails.
With a convenient wireless solution you can just tag any important pictures and have them backed up to your phone instantly (hopefully, if the software interface is bad then it's still useless).

I bought a few 64GB SD cards this summer. I will never fill one to capacity, but the larger capacity cards have better write speeds and wear better, so they'll probably last the rest of my life for my purposes.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Some people seem to be confused about the ''electronic stabilization''.

It's not for shooting stills. it's not IBIS. The sensor doesn't move.

It's an algorithm moves the video image (not sensor) to corrent for shake. So to get a place to move the image in, you need to use a smaller portion of the sensor, hence crop.

It's IS for video mode that crops the image a little.

Note** Canon history for this feature implementation shows pretty much just as good as IBIS performance for video. It's pretty amazing what they achieve with just electronic IS. with Optical IS lens + Electronic (mode 3 on M3) it's ridiculous. It really is a fantastic IS for video.

Note2** 1080p on the M3 is one of the best around. Better than A6000/6300, Fuji, Olympus, NX1, it's very detailed with very little aliasing/moire. I can see using this as a professional video rig. I always utilise shallow DOF for my audience. This love it. And the fight with that has always been stability (fast lenses have to IS, long lenses are jittery as hell) and Focusing.

For the first, I use a shoulder rig. A large and heavy piece of equipment and always cursing why canon don't just f+--ing give me a fast lens with IS like a 50mm/135mm IS, so that I could just handhold the camera and shoot FREELY focusing on focusing and framing.

With DPAF, it even takea focusing off the focus list. So I can just shoot with the camera using any lens and get stable in-focus video. What a life saver for weddings for example.

The IS will allow me to use my absolutely amazing Russian M42 glass that has zeiss optics for video, so far I cannot use the 135mm f/3.5 aside from select tripod shots (a shame because it looks amazing) and helios 58, anf of course the non IS Canon 50mm 1.8 STM and 135mm f2 (my two go-to-lenses). It breads live into these lenses while I've been restricted to a shoulder rig for all of them. If the performance is as good as the powershot electronic IS or M3 , I'll be ditching my rig and shooting handheld from now on. Liberating.

Sonys offered this for a little while (Is not Focusing) but I am a colour freak, and find that Canon's picture styles give unparalelled colour science compared to the anemic Sony colours so I never made the switch.

For films/docs dialed down Neutral gives Superb colours with very little tweaking to get an awesome image, and for weddings and people Portrait PS gives a skin tone rendition unlike anything else, just ALIVE. Try to get these from S-Log and your image will fall apart before reaching it simply because they are weak 8bit 4:2:0 h.264 images made for delivery. So getting internal good colour science is vital for video shooting.

My 150$ Eos M takes better colours than the 3000$ A7s. side by side, no comparison. (although the later is sharper and has IS)

 

[ahsanford]

I bought a few 64GB SD cards this summer. I will never fill one to capacity, but the larger capacity cards have better write speeds and wear better, so they'll probably last the rest of my life for my purposes.

I bought a 128 GB SD for my 5D3 and (over time) grew to regret a few realities of it:

• More sunk cost into that card than a smaller one, so its equally frail outer shell cracking/failing has a pricier impact when it goes. On that note, when my casing slightly cracked I opted for a questionable 'tape surgery' fix rather than replacing that card. I am more likely to break that card outright than if I just pitched it (or 'retired it' to less demanding use than my SLR) and got another.
  
  
• Applications that warehouse your shots (I still use ancient old iPhoto for a host of reasons I won't get into) will slow down considerably to audit a 128 GB card to look for and display thumbnails of what's new. I can't really use iPhoto for the first 15-30 seconds of opening it because it's drowning in read work.
  
  
• One massive card gets you in the habit of thinking you don't need to pack another card on a day of shooting (non-pro; I defend my right to be an idiot like this ). If I was working with multiple 32 GB cards, I'd be better prepared if one died in the field, if one was left in the reader on the PC at home, etc.

One huge pro of a big card (provided you aren't a burst/wildlife/sports shooter): you never think twice about 'shooting rich' with RAW + JPG all the time. I generally 100% keep my JPGs but retain my best 3-5% shots in RAW for processing, print, etc. That way I never lose the chance to save a great shot, but I'm also not burdened to maniacally keep all RAW files or burn the time necessary to process them all. That's a win-win in my book for how I shoot.

- A

 

[Loswr]

you DO realize the difference in size of sensors there .. right?

You DO realize 4K IS the standard of video shooting right?

there is no "standard" of video shooting.. lol.

Yeah, better not tell those folks shooting movies on —gasp— film that '4K IS the standard'. It's ok, though...those using film are just little niche productions like Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Jurassic World. :

 

[scyrene]

I bought a few 64GB SD cards this summer. I will never fill one to capacity, but the larger capacity cards have better write speeds and wear better, so they'll probably last the rest of my life for my purposes.

I bought a 128 GB SD for my 5D3 and (over time) grew to regret a few realities of it:

• More sunk cost into that card than a smaller one, so its equally frail outer shell cracking/failing has a pricier impact when it goes. On that note, when my casing slightly cracked I opted for a questionable 'tape surgery' fix rather than replacing that card. I am more likely to break that card outright than if I just pitched it (or 'retired it' to less demanding use than my SLR) and got another.
  
  
• Applications that warehouse your shots (I still use ancient old iPhoto for a host of reasons I won't get into) will slow down considerably to audit a 128 GB card to look for and display thumbnails of what's new. I can't really use iPhoto for the first 15-30 seconds of opening it because it's drowning in read work.
  
  
• One massive card gets you in the habit of thinking you don't need to pack another card on a day of shooting (non-pro; I defend my right to be an idiot like this ). If I was working with multiple 32 GB cards, I'd be better prepared if one died in the field, if one was left in the reader on the PC at home, etc.

One huge pro of a big card (provided you aren't a burst/wildlife/sports shooter): you never think twice about 'shooting rich' with RAW + JPG all the time. I generally 100% keep my JPGs but retain my best 3-5% shots in RAW for processing, print, etc. That way I never lose the chance to save a great shot, but I'm also not burdened to maniacally keep all RAW files or burn the time necessary to process them all. That's a win-win in my book for how I shoot.

- A

Fascinating to have an insight into other people's way of working. I'm pretty much the opposite - one big card in the camera, never removed (I upload via USB), and I shoot raw only, only processing a small percentage of shots into jpegs as and when I need to. So different!

PS although this may not suit you, to minimise the time it takes programs to access bigger cards, it helps to delete previously uploaded shots (I've found this with Lr anyhow), although that won't help if you've filled the card in a single session

 

[Bob Howland]

There are a couple things I find annoying about the M5 pictures. First, nowhere is there a picture of the new 18-150 lens. which is the lens I would buy with the M5. Second, the only picture of the camera back obscures most of the buttons with the touchscreen.

The M5 is pretty much the camera that I have been asking Canon to make, even if it doesn't have 4K video, which I wouldn't use anyway.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

For video we all use 4-5 16gig cards instead of 1-2 128 gig ones. Reason, minimize risk of amount of lost footage.

About using 1 large card and uploading via USB, USB 2 uploading is PAINFULLY slower than a fast card and reader, if you're shooting Raw or video it's just an immense amount of of difference in speed. If you have one of Canon's new USB 3 cameras like the 7DII, 5DIV, 80D, 1DXII, it's probably just as fast as a card + reader. So with these camera it might not be a bad idea to tape-in a 265 card and leave it forever.

 

[rrcphoto]

Without that, this camera is useless to me. I'm not going on an expensive trip and depend on a single SD card to protect my images. I can't just get up and re-travel to different places around the world and recapture the moments and the sights.

Respectfully disagree. All I shoot is a single SD on my 5D3 (burst/buffer/video is a low priority for me) and neither it nor any card I has ever let me down. If it's an expensive / once-in-a-lifetime trip, just bring an external HD, iPad, laptop, etc, and backup what you shoot each day when you get back to the hotel.

Also, is a dual card slot setup a reasonable ask for a (totally guessing) $899-999 camera? In APS-C Mirrorless, Fuji had two slots but those X-Pro 2 and X-T2 rigs cost a great deal more. The Sony a6300 takes two formats but in a single slot if I recall.

- A

to be honest .. people should be numbering their SD cards and rotating them.

just like SSD's .. there's wear leveling built into SD cards, however there is only a finite amount of times you can write to them (like SSD's) before they fail.

a good rotation strategy and more than 1 SD card in your inventory that you use can go a long way to preventing any issues.

Nikon's bluetooth connection actually makes a lot of sense here.
Rotating cards still doesn't save that "once in a lifetime" shot if the card it's on fails.
With a convenient wireless solution you can just tag any important pictures and have them backed up to your phone instantly (hopefully, if the software interface is bad then it's still useless).

I bought a few 64GB SD cards this summer. I will never fill one to capacity, but the larger capacity cards have better write speeds and wear better, so they'll probably last the rest of my life for my purposes.

you mean like the EOS-M5's automatic backup to smartphone?

- クラウドサービスやPC、スマートフォンに画像の自動バックアップが可能

-Allows automatic backup images of cloud services, PC, Smartphone

 

[lw]

For video we all use 4-5 16gig cards instead of 1-2 128 gig ones. Reason, minimize risk of amount of lost footage.

About using 1 large card and uploading via USB, USB 2 uploading is PAINFULLY slower than a fast card and reader, if you're shooting Raw or video it's just an immense amount of of difference in speed. If you have one of Canon's new USB 3 cameras like the 7DII, 5DIV, 80D, 1DXII, it's probably just as fast as a card + reader. So with these camera it might not be a bad idea to tape-in a 265 card and leave it forever.

And try uploading gbs of 4K over USB2....

 

[scyrene]

For video we all use 4-5 16gig cards instead of 1-2 128 gig ones. Reason, minimize risk of amount of lost footage.

About using 1 large card and uploading via USB, USB 2 uploading is PAINFULLY slower than a fast card and reader, if you're shooting Raw or video it's just an immense amount of of difference in speed. If you have one of Canon's new USB 3 cameras like the 7DII, 5DIV, 80D, 1DXII, it's probably just as fast as a card + reader. So with these camera it might not be a bad idea to tape-in a 265 card and leave it forever.

I don't doubt it; I upload essentially no video however, it's all stills. I use the 5Ds, not sure which USB type that is, but it's fast enough for my purposes. A card reader might help but it's just another thing to buy/keep. I'm not compelled to get one. Maybe if I started doing video work, or we leapfrog to even bigger filesizes.

 

[hachu21]

Thank you for typing so many BS, when we are in a world that most decent smart phones in store can record 4K video. And I remember when we were looking for 1080p recording, people like you talk about miniDV format is good enough. I can't stop laughing.

So you just didn't understood his point. You know that the latest iphone 4K is just mushy if you compare it with a good 1080P coming from the 80D?
Your argument is like saying "my 20mp pictures coming from my smartphone must be much better than this poor Nikon D4S wich is only 16MP!"
4K yes, but only if, in the end, you get the real thing. a 4K label is not enough.

Last point : I agree with other that the 4K won't do the same splash as Full HD at the time.
For the average end viewer, the perceived resolution/quality gain is NOT linear!
Coming from low res 720x576 DVD to Full HD bluray was (IMHO) the last VISUALY huge gap!
Now with a big scrren going from FHD bluray to 4K bluray is still impressive but only if you look at close distance.
the next jump to 8k will be even less useful (again, to the end viewer).

Once what you see on screen seems as defined as the real world, what's the point to go further?

 

[lw]

good 1080P coming from the 80D?

If the 108p coming from an 80D is your benchmark for good 1080P then it's little wonder you don't appreciate 4K

http://www.eoshd.com/2016/03/short-note-canon-80d-has-no-improvement-in-video-quality/

" In what appears to be a running joke in Canon’s non-Cinema EOS series of cameras now, their latest stills camera (on paper so promising for video with the latest generation Dual Pixel AF and a completely new sensor) produces a dismal performance and is far behind even some 5 year old cameras from 2011.

The Canon 80D’s video performance is so bad I won’t even be reviewing it. The clips I shot with it aren’t even worth uploading.

Already the camera has gone back to the store and I don’t want anything more to do with it.

It’s pretty amazing that here we are in 2016, 5 years after the Panasonic GH2 gave us such crisp, detailed full HD and Canon still haven’t even caught up with that on their APS-C cameras. 5 years is a long time. "

 

[NorbR]

I see my poor EF-M 11-22mm, left without an M body for 6 months, jump up on my shelf with excitement. It was after all my 2nd most used lens overall (EF and EF-M combined) before I broke my M3

How did your M3 break?

By me slipping on some ice and falling on my butt, with the camera in my hand.
(Hey, I did say *I* broke it.)

The camera still worked fine actually, but the screen was chipped. At first it was also still fine except for a small area, but it got progressively worse, to the point where half the screen became unreadable. For a camera without a viewfinder, that's a problem ...