The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]

[ajfotofilmagem]

I have both the T3 and 5D2, for anything other than landscapes and low-light I prefer the T3.
For size and convenience, the T3 is amazing.
When I took my first picture with the T3 in 2012 (previously using a SD780IS), I forgot to focus the image, and it looked better than anything I had seen come out of a camera to that point.

By the same token, i bet there are a lot of people would say the same thing about the iphone vs. the T3: "For size and convenience, the (5S) is amazing."

The choice of camera or camera phone is simpler than it may seem. Considering the same price range the choices are:

People who prioritize portability, think that it is enough to a good phone.

People who prioritize image quality, choose cameras with large sensor.

People who prioritize versatility, choose superzoom cameras.

 

[Don Haines]

When you consider that the vast bulk of Canon's camera sales are entry level, plus there are at least one new model per year, it would be far more surprising if they did not introduce an introductory model....

 

[Loswr]

And how would this not cannibalize the SL1 sales? You might as well just cut the price if the SL1.

Cannibalization? In any given hundred dollar price bracket, Canon has 5-8 point and shoot cameras, 5-8 camcorders, 5-8 printers, etc.

The price of the SL1 will drop. That's normal, because it's now last year's camera. Just like there is a T5i and a T3, there can be an SL1 and a cheaper version.

S&P 500 vs Canon over past yr.

Do dSLRs represent the sole or even major category of Canon's revenue? Or could it just maybe, possibly be that there are other factors that influence their stock price?

 

[skfla]

Is the fact that the T3 does "only" 720p while the iPhone does 1080p the reason you label the iPhone's video capabilities as "vastly superior"? If so, that's a load of rubbish. 1080p video off a cell phone is so massively compressed it's NOWHERE near as good as what you get from even an entry level DSLR. I've seen the 1080p video out of an iPhone. It's good, but it's blown away from the 720p and 1080p I get from my DSLRs (and even P&Ss). And that's in good light. Drop the light and any smartphone's video will be a mess of compression artefacts and digital noise from having such a small sensor.

The iphone has a much more capable processor inside of it, which is why it does higher frame rates than the 100D, let alone t3. Apple also doesn't to worry about nerfing the IQ in order to maintain product differentiation.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/rebel-sl1.htm

To sum up, iPhone has better screen, better audio, and better at handling low light noise. And I'm pretty sure that was comparing to iPhone 5.

For the record. I'm not an Apple fan at all. I have a windows phone!

HurtinMinorKey, Don't let them drive you off! More iPhone-itis quotes (either still or video quotes are just fine), please. & please, please, PLEASE keep quoting Ken Rockwell! (ur not Ken, using another handle, r u??)

& I thought being stuck at home on a Friday night was going to be boring....

 

[Don Haines]

Is the fact that the T3 does "only" 720p while the iPhone does 1080p the reason you label the iPhone's video capabilities as "vastly superior"? If so, that's a load of rubbish. 1080p video off a cell phone is so massively compressed it's NOWHERE near as good as what you get from even an entry level DSLR. I've seen the 1080p video out of an iPhone. It's good, but it's blown away from the 720p and 1080p I get from my DSLRs (and even P&Ss). And that's in good light. Drop the light and any smartphone's video will be a mess of compression artefacts and digital noise from having such a small sensor.

The iphone has a much more capable processor inside of it, which is why it does higher frame rates than the 100D, let alone t3. Apple also doesn't to worry about nerfing the IQ in order to maintain product differentiation.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/rebel-sl1.htm

To sum up, iPhone has better screen, better audio, and better at handling low light noise. And I'm pretty sure that was comparing to iPhone 5.

For the record. I'm not an Apple fan at all. I have a windows phone!

HurtinMinorKey, Don't let them drive you off! More iPhone 'itis quotes please. & please, please, PLEASE keep quoting Ken Rockwell! (ur not Ken using another handle r u??)

& I thought being stuck at home on a Friday night was going to be boring....

and might I add that if you are sitting in a bar enjoying fish and chips, and a beer (Neuro, it's a Guinness... you can't see through it ) you can't use your T3 to talk on this forum....

I give the iPhones/pods/pads great marks for convenience, and for the size of the camera it's amazing... but if you want to take anything other than wide angle pictures with it you suffer...

 

[Loswr]

and might I add that if you are sitting in a bar enjoying fish and chips, and a beer (Neuro, it's a Guinness... you can't see through it ) you can't use your T3 to talk on this forum....

Guinness is good. I really like Sam Smith's Imperial Stout - if you set the bottles side by side, they look the same color, but when you during them, you realize that while the Guinness bottle is a deep brown glass, the Sam Smith's is clear. The stout is just that dark.

I give the iPhones/pods/pads great marks for convenience, and for the size of the camera it's amazing... but if you want to take anything other than wide angle pictures with it you suffer...

This might be what suffering looks like.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Each specific use, requests a specific tool. Let's assume that I have to hire a team (each with their equipment) to make a video with 10 cameras alike, while on a tight budget. It would be impractical to use 10 units 5D mark iii, but it is perfectly possible to achieve 10 units Rebel T3. If one of 10 people to get to work with an iPhone, I command him to stick the iPhone in... ;D That's why I prefer 720P video with image compression and decent lens, rather than 1080P with compression and noise reduction of gross. :

 

[skfla]

HurtinMinorKey??

 

[Don Haines]

Each specific use, requests a specific tool. Let's assume that I have to hire a team (each with their equipment) to make a video with 10 cameras alike, while on a tight budget. It would be impractical to use 10 units 5D mark iii, but it is perfectly possible to achieve 10 units Rebel T3. If one of 10 people to get to work with an iPhone, I command him to stick the iPhone in... ;D That's why I prefer 720P video with image compression and decent lens, rather than 1080P with compression and noise reduction of gross. :

Got an iPhone, got a 60D.... the iPhone beats the 60D hands down for convenience shooting video. The 60D beats the iPhone hands down for image and sound quality.

 

[jrista]

When you consider that the vast bulk of Canon's camera sales are entry level, plus there are at least one new model per year, it would be far more surprising if they did not introduce an introductory model....

Canon, introducing the beginners introductory entry level DSLR model....can we multiply the notion that it is an "entry level" camera any further? :

 

[CarlTN]

It is starting to become amusing, that there still needs to be a new introductory camera every 6 months. But the reason is pretty simple. The vast majority of people on the planet, do not consider themselves serious photographers (even though 99% of people on the planet, take pictures with something). Therefore, there is probably a fairly large segment of the Canon consumer base, who will just keep buying the newest Rebel, and never upgrade to a more serious camera. Why? Because they don't want to spend $1000 when they can do what they do (always in full auto mode as jpegs) for $500, with kit lens.

 

[whothafunk]

in the last 2 months, CR posted so many 7DII rumours that i really dont give a shit anymore.

- YES IT IS COMING
- NO IT IS NOT COMING
- IT WILL BE NAMED SOMETHING ELSE
- MAYBE YES, MAYBE NO
- DEFINITELY NOT COMING
- IT IS COMING

 

[ewg963]

"It was also confirmed that “a lot” of lenses were coming this year" - my source has confirmed one of these lenses will be 16-35 III. IQ is Better than Nikorrr 14-24 f2.8 ;D

Now that perks my interest

 

[ewg963]

Yes yes yes!!! A CR3!!! That's what I've been waiting for.... and it feels so long. 8) Well... I hope the CR3 also applies to the news about the 7DmkII.....

Entry level = relatively boring (for me)... And I believe that if there is an 'entry level' update, it will likely be an update to the 1100D, likely being a 1200D. The specs of those cameras is fairly basic... I generally don't recommend people go for the xxxxD series of Canon, but rather go for the 'xxxD' / Rebel series. (I have a 350D, my first DSLR, and still use it as a backup). I think the 700D is decently spec’d and priced for what it is.

The 7DmkII ... well THAT is super exciting (for me!) I own a 7D, and lovey that camera... and should I ever need a new/replacement camera, it would most likely be a successor to the 7D (eg 7DmkII or 7DmkIII, etc). I realise that the 7D could be improved upon (the most requested update would be an improved sensor – lower noise, higher DR & less banding) – but as I’m not a pixel peeper – I don’t find the quality limits me much. The current 7D’s AF is very good – but could be somewhat improved upon (it appears the 70D’s AF has ironed out some of the 7D’s minor bugs – though I realise many 7D users won’t have noticed these, eg the occasional ‘jumpy’ nature of AF in certain situation / lighting).

But by and large, the 7D is a very capable camera with lots of impressive specs (particularly for when it came out) – including a superb handling body, well implemented video, good image quality, flexible powerful AF, fast FPS, etc. So I hope (and expect!) the 7DmkII will be an impressive camera, and hoping it will be like the 5DmkIII has been to the 5D line (where the 5DmkII was not much of an improvement in some areas).

I’m also quite interested what the ‘other camera’ (3rd, potential “new in 2014” Canon DSLR) could be… perhaps the high resolution / high DR FF (3D / other xD series?) If so, hopefully that technology will trickle down (and ‘up’) to other lines and Canon bodies.

Finally, the ‘lots of lenses’ bids great news too and I'm VERY interested in this development / reality… again, if that’s CR3 worthy (hearing from the ‘same source’- is a very welcome sign, I’d say)! The only lens I’m really hanging out for, is a fast EF Canon 50mm prime (with USM and hopefully IS)… to complete my lens line-up. Hopefully Sigma’s new 50mm Art will challenge Canon to have a great competitor to that….

Thanks Canon Rumours for this good news at the end of a working week (here in Australia)! Wishing all a good weekend, with lots of CR3 news becoming reality soon….. (My photography funds are at the ready!)

Paul

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[ewg963]

Below the 100D? You mean the market segment that doesn't exist because it's IQ is indistinguishable from iPhones? Get a clue Canon.

You mean the iPhone produces the same image quality as the T3/1100D 12 MP APS-C sensor? Get a clue HurtinMinorKey.

In the hands of the people who would actually buy something on par with the T3, yes. Also, the iphone has vastly superior video.

I'm always surprised by how detached some people on here become from the "common" market, where entry level is king.

I started with the equivalent of the T3 (The Rebel XS/1000D). And yes, it was VERY entry level, but you know what? I learned alot from that camera, it STILL takes great pictures (with the right glass), and I'm sorry, but even the absolute cheapest SLR with the crappiest kit lens takes images FAR BEYOND what an iphone does. I still use my XS for time lapses and just a "throw it in the back seat" sort of camera.

Don't get me know, I LOVE the fact that pretty much everybody has a camera in their pocket now. From getting news as it actually happens, to civil liberties, to just plain fun it has been a wonderful revolution.

But to say that the "average" person with an iphone wouldn't get better IQ from an entry level DSLR is simply ludicrous.

As for video, wiki shows the T3 is capable of 720p video. While not 1080p, that's actually pretty good (alot of people shoot 720p anyways to get the 60fps framerate for flexibility in post to slow video down).

Is the fact that the T3 does "only" 720p while the iPhone does 1080p the reason you label the iPhone's video capabilities as "vastly superior"? If so, that's a load of rubbish. 1080p video off a cell phone is so massively compressed it's NOWHERE near as good as what you get from even an entry level DSLR. I've seen the 1080p video out of an iPhone. It's good, but it's blown away from the 720p and 1080p I get from my DSLRs (and even P&Ss). And that's in good light. Drop the light and any smartphone's video will be a mess of compression artefacts and digital noise from having such a small sensor.

Finally, as a reminder: not everybody has $3000+ for a DSLR. And I'm sorry, for the VAST majority of images even seasoned photographers take the T3 would "work" well enough. The quality of image you get from even an entry level APS-C camera these days is astonishing.

TTYL

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[HurtinMinorKey]

HurtinMinorKey, Don't let them drive you off! More iPhone-itis quotes (either still or video quotes are just fine), please. & please, please, PLEASE keep quoting Ken Rockwell! (ur not Ken, using another handle, r u??)

& I thought being stuck at home on a Friday night was going to be boring....

I aim to please/entertain/enrage. One thing i've realized over the years on this forum: nothing gets you more responses of righteous indignation than citing Ken Rockwell. That make him a pretty powerful tool.

 

[slclick]

HurtinMinorKey, Don't let them drive you off! More iPhone-itis quotes (either still or video quotes are just fine), please. & please, please, PLEASE keep quoting Ken Rockwell! (ur not Ken, using another handle, r u??)

& I thought being stuck at home on a Friday night was going to be boring....

I aim to please/entertain/enrage. One thing i've realized over the years on this forum: nothing gets you more responses of righteous indignation than citing Ken Rockwell. That make him a pretty powerful tool.

Oh please, you and Neuro didn't even get into a DR fight. Like a couple of schoolgirls.I expect better next time. (insert winking emoticon here)

 

[KyleSTL]

HurtinMinorKey, Don't let them drive you off! More iPhone-itis quotes (either still or video quotes are just fine), please. & please, please, PLEASE keep quoting Ken Rockwell! (ur not Ken, using another handle, r u??)

& I thought being stuck at home on a Friday night was going to be boring....

I aim to please/entertain/enrage. One thing i've realized over the years on this forum: nothing gets you more responses of righteous indignation than citing Ken Rockwell. That make him a pretty powerful tool.

The question remains, though, do you still stand by your assertion that the iPhone [5S, I assume] produces better video than a 720p DSLR (the 1100D specifically)?

 

[TeenTog]

A revamp of the T3 would be nice. The current version is pretty outdated and even if you're someone who knows what he/she's doing (like me) it can be...... difficult at times. which is why I'm saving for the 70D. But in my opinion every manufacturer needs a dirt cheap super entry level camera, as consumers will undoubtedly upgrade to more expensive models as they become unsatisfied with their current camera. So IMO the new entry level camera has a 99.99% chance of being something along the lines of a T4 or 1200D

 

[JRPhotos]

What would be an estimate for later in the year for the 7DII?