*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
- Thread starter Canon Rumors
- Start date
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
John2016 said:Go Wild said:Taylorpilot said:Go Wild said:
And I respect and understand....but...should we all leave Canon because someone leaves? LEt me tell you about my experience. I already won a few prizes in photography, i do make nature documentarys and guess what, sometimes i even use the DJI OSMO to film!!! How about that?
But...should i leave Canon, that alredy gave me so much, because someone says that Sony is the better? Or should i go to Fujifilm because old days are cool?
My point is.....the most important is that you feel good working ith your equipment and when you deliver the work, your client be happy! That´s all it matters!!
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
he didn't leave canon.. one of his also favorite cameras is the Cxxx series.
and so what really?
that's 20 cameras.. do you realize how many thousands upon thousands canon will sell to actual photographers?
get a grip
John2016 said:
he didn't leave canon.. one of his also favorite cameras is the Cxxx series.
and so what really?
that's 20 cameras.. do you realize how many thousands upon thousands canon will sell to actual photographers?
get a grip
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
great post!
And I respect and understand....but...should we all leave Canon because someone leaves? LEt me tell you about my experience. I already won a few prizes in photography, i do make nature documentarys and guess what, sometimes i even use the DJI OSMO to film!!! How about that?
But...should i leave Canon, that alredy gave me so much, because someone says that Sony is the better? Or should i go to Fujifilm because old days are cool?
My point is.....the most important is that you feel good working ith your equipment and when you deliver the work, your client be happy! That´s all it matters!!
great post!
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
+1
And low ISO DR.
(Couldn't resist)
John2016 said:And I respect and understand....but...should we all leave Canon because someone leaves? LEt me tell you about my experience. I already won a few prizes in photography, i do make nature documentarys and guess what, sometimes i even use the DJI OSMO to film!!! How about that?
But...should i leave Canon, that alredy gave me so much, because someone says that Sony is the better? Or should i go to Fujifilm because old days are cool?
My point is.....the most important is that you feel good working ith your equipment and when you deliver the work, your client be happy! That´s all it matters!!
great post!
+1
And low ISO DR.
(Couldn't resist)
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
The Next 5 series camera will be a evolvement of the current one, not a revolutionary product. Thus it has ever been!
That's the Canon formula, it has worked for 40 years, so they stick to it.
Canon sets goals for a new camera model 3 or 4 years ahead of its planned release, and then spends a huge amount of effort squeezing every penny out of the cost to manufacture it. Every feature has a price, and adding features has to be justified to some very deaf management.
It would not surprise me if the cost to manufacturer a new 5D MK IV is around $1200 USD. Canon recovers a lot of their tooling and development investment early on in a program, but are also able to cut prices so sharply that the competition can't hope to match the prices. They are not going to do that unless forced to by slow sales, but if necessary, I believe that they can cut the price to $2000 and still make a profit.
Its becoming difficult for me to get excited about a evolutionary new product, I'll consider buying one after the first price drop, and only if it has features that I will use. My 5D MK III is a work horse in small form factor compared to 1 series bodies and I love it, so a big improvement is needed.
The Next 5 series camera will be a evolvement of the current one, not a revolutionary product. Thus it has ever been!
That's the Canon formula, it has worked for 40 years, so they stick to it.
Canon sets goals for a new camera model 3 or 4 years ahead of its planned release, and then spends a huge amount of effort squeezing every penny out of the cost to manufacture it. Every feature has a price, and adding features has to be justified to some very deaf management.
It would not surprise me if the cost to manufacturer a new 5D MK IV is around $1200 USD. Canon recovers a lot of their tooling and development investment early on in a program, but are also able to cut prices so sharply that the competition can't hope to match the prices. They are not going to do that unless forced to by slow sales, but if necessary, I believe that they can cut the price to $2000 and still make a profit.
Its becoming difficult for me to get excited about a evolutionary new product, I'll consider buying one after the first price drop, and only if it has features that I will use. My 5D MK III is a work horse in small form factor compared to 1 series bodies and I love it, so a big improvement is needed.
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
I've read all the way through this discussion. I have a 5D3 and 7D2, with 40D backup. I have yet to have a client say to me:
"Oh my god, you only shot this with a 5D3... the colour rendition is horrible and if I had wanted you to shoot 4K you wouldn't have been able to :'( .
All they say is, quote from a client today BTW:"Hi Jeff, Looks great, thank you! fyi Evolve - and everyone I've shown them too -thinks your photos are amazing."
Stupid 5D3 codecs and no DPAF losing me so many jobs :'( :'( I'm being facetious.. I shoot videos of my grandson, that's it. Maybe I'll keep the 7DII/18-135 STM and charge additional fees for video.
If the 5D4 can allow me to dump the 7DII, I'll do it. I'm very underwhelmed with this camera. I hope for 8fps, CFAST (since I bought some at 50% discounts this spring when the 1DXII started shipping) more DR (gotta happen anyway) and some bells and whistles. I've gotten the CamRanger and two Eye-Fi Mobi pro cards so wifi is even blah to me. It would be a nice add-on if it had range and solid connectivity.
In the real world, clients have no idea what they want. We provide better stuff than their iPhones do, so it's all good.
The 1DXII shutter is still too noisy for me, the 1DX was a freaking machine gun.
I was embarrassed at times with the noise it made.
I'm good with a jack-of-all-cameras better than my 5D3, with which I cannot ever seem to screw up the focus with. (I wonder if it actually reads my mind sometimes lol).
I had the 5DII, sold it in months for a 5D3, will probably never sell that body. If 5D4 is not suitable, then I'll get a 1DXII and adapt. I understand that many want to pick apart camera specs, some of us just make a decision, buy it or don't, then shoot it if we have it. Remember: it's not real yet, don't argue too hard!! 8)
I've read all the way through this discussion. I have a 5D3 and 7D2, with 40D backup. I have yet to have a client say to me:
"Oh my god, you only shot this with a 5D3... the colour rendition is horrible and if I had wanted you to shoot 4K you wouldn't have been able to :'( .
All they say is, quote from a client today BTW:"Hi Jeff, Looks great, thank you! fyi Evolve - and everyone I've shown them too -thinks your photos are amazing."
Stupid 5D3 codecs and no DPAF losing me so many jobs :'( :'( I'm being facetious.. I shoot videos of my grandson, that's it. Maybe I'll keep the 7DII/18-135 STM and charge additional fees for video.
If the 5D4 can allow me to dump the 7DII, I'll do it. I'm very underwhelmed with this camera. I hope for 8fps, CFAST (since I bought some at 50% discounts this spring when the 1DXII started shipping) more DR (gotta happen anyway) and some bells and whistles. I've gotten the CamRanger and two Eye-Fi Mobi pro cards so wifi is even blah to me. It would be a nice add-on if it had range and solid connectivity.
In the real world, clients have no idea what they want. We provide better stuff than their iPhones do, so it's all good.
The 1DXII shutter is still too noisy for me, the 1DX was a freaking machine gun.
I was embarrassed at times with the noise it made.
I'm good with a jack-of-all-cameras better than my 5D3, with which I cannot ever seem to screw up the focus with. (I wonder if it actually reads my mind sometimes lol).
I had the 5DII, sold it in months for a 5D3, will probably never sell that body. If 5D4 is not suitable, then I'll get a 1DXII and adapt. I understand that many want to pick apart camera specs, some of us just make a decision, buy it or don't, then shoot it if we have it. Remember: it's not real yet, don't argue too hard!! 8)
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
This is what I hear every day:
http://billtotolo.blogspot.com/2015/06/sony-a7s-shooting-feature-with-pair-of.html
This is from 2015:
"In the end, I’m extremely pleased with the images we captured. I honestly don’t think
anyone is going to guess we shot on a DSLR. I’m glad we used the a7s under these circumstances.
I’d only consider selling the a7s if Sony releases a version with In Body Image Stabilization, and it would be nice to be able to control ISO in SLog.
As small as the camera is, it gets heavy quickly and using the gimbal all day is
exhausting. In the future I would seriously consider using a readyrig, or easyrig."
and here something for the canon CR masters:
"For a $2,500 camera with high frame rates to be producing sharp 1080p and dynamic range close to an ARRI is quite a feat."
http://nofilmschool.com/2014/07/sony-a7s-dynamic-range-arri-alexa-amira
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2014/08/25/sony-a7s-a-game-changer-for-film-making/
http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/1872-we-see-how-good-the-alpha-7s-really-is-in-a-cinema
Back to the ULTRA, SUPER NEW or already old...., 3 years in development camera: Canon 5dMk4...
rrcphoto said:
This is what I hear every day:
http://billtotolo.blogspot.com/2015/06/sony-a7s-shooting-feature-with-pair-of.html
This is from 2015:
"In the end, I’m extremely pleased with the images we captured. I honestly don’t think
anyone is going to guess we shot on a DSLR. I’m glad we used the a7s under these circumstances.
I’d only consider selling the a7s if Sony releases a version with In Body Image Stabilization, and it would be nice to be able to control ISO in SLog.
As small as the camera is, it gets heavy quickly and using the gimbal all day is
exhausting. In the future I would seriously consider using a readyrig, or easyrig."
and here something for the canon CR masters:
"For a $2,500 camera with high frame rates to be producing sharp 1080p and dynamic range close to an ARRI is quite a feat."
http://nofilmschool.com/2014/07/sony-a7s-dynamic-range-arri-alexa-amira
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2014/08/25/sony-a7s-a-game-changer-for-film-making/
http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/1872-we-see-how-good-the-alpha-7s-really-is-in-a-cinema
Back to the ULTRA, SUPER NEW or already old...., 3 years in development camera: Canon 5dMk4...
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
while the 5d started something that was rather unanticipated, canon isn't going to change the nature of a stills camera just for 20 odd people that will purchase it.
not to mention your only bitch is the CODEC.. the rest is the same as every other camera to date, with probably less overheating. things like zebras, peaking,etc you have clue on yet.
carry on though.
and again. this is primarily a stills camera.John2016 said:
while the 5d started something that was rather unanticipated, canon isn't going to change the nature of a stills camera just for 20 odd people that will purchase it.
not to mention your only bitch is the CODEC.. the rest is the same as every other camera to date, with probably less overheating. things like zebras, peaking,etc you have clue on yet.
carry on though.
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
Any professional image maker that thinks an a7s is a DSLR isn't one I'd be very interested in getting advice from.
John2016 said:
Any professional image maker that thinks an a7s is a DSLR isn't one I'd be very interested in getting advice from.
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
still not sure if I sell my 5D3+A7R II pair for this or sell a7R II and add a7R III or something in a while
A7R II sensor sets a pretty high bar for low ISO stills non-action work and it sets a pretty darn high bar for 4k video, no waxy hint at all, better detail (while remaining entirely natural) than even 1DC and, although a real pain, ML RAW HD video from 5D3 is hard to beat for HD since you get so much better than locked in 8bit garbage and you can even do still perhaps unique for low end and shoot in wide gamut (the RAW is a real pain though and such an HD killer, a total drag and quite an expense after a while).
Of course it would be nice to have one camera do it all. 5D3 sure as heck does not, but A7R II kinda lags for anything action and adapters are always a pain and so on.
Wish they had made the 5D4 video 10 bit to actually put them at the forefront for once, it's so sad that Canon, so often leading the charge has become such a follower and it might really need that to make up for other likely deficits. It surely better have 100% view live focusing box and zebras and DPAF. (And don't give me this trolling nonsense, I've been a Canon fan (note not fanboy, there is a difference) and shooter since before a few, although not all, of the rabid fanboy attack dogs here were even born. And I really don't give a whit whether they manage enough sales to not care or not, nobody takes pics or videos with sales whether they come from playing it uber conservatively and just barely doing enough to not drive everyone away or charge forward and do great stuff.
And for stills it better finally have real EXMOR level, even 80D and 1DC just still don't cut it. Better but not the full amount to really start making it useful in forest interior scenarios and some other often encountered outdoor scenarios.
The 30MP isn't bad, still not the reach of a 7D or even A7R II, but least it's just enough that you should notice the extra reach a bit compared to 5D3. And 7fps is pretty nice. Needs to have a nice buffer too.
I do wonder a bit if a Nikon D820 might not manage 42MP 6fps and then 8fps in a slight crop mode and with top video and DR and all.
still not sure if I sell my 5D3+A7R II pair for this or sell a7R II and add a7R III or something in a while
A7R II sensor sets a pretty high bar for low ISO stills non-action work and it sets a pretty darn high bar for 4k video, no waxy hint at all, better detail (while remaining entirely natural) than even 1DC and, although a real pain, ML RAW HD video from 5D3 is hard to beat for HD since you get so much better than locked in 8bit garbage and you can even do still perhaps unique for low end and shoot in wide gamut (the RAW is a real pain though and such an HD killer, a total drag and quite an expense after a while).
Of course it would be nice to have one camera do it all. 5D3 sure as heck does not, but A7R II kinda lags for anything action and adapters are always a pain and so on.
Wish they had made the 5D4 video 10 bit to actually put them at the forefront for once, it's so sad that Canon, so often leading the charge has become such a follower and it might really need that to make up for other likely deficits. It surely better have 100% view live focusing box and zebras and DPAF. (And don't give me this trolling nonsense, I've been a Canon fan (note not fanboy, there is a difference) and shooter since before a few, although not all, of the rabid fanboy attack dogs here were even born. And I really don't give a whit whether they manage enough sales to not care or not, nobody takes pics or videos with sales whether they come from playing it uber conservatively and just barely doing enough to not drive everyone away or charge forward and do great stuff.
And for stills it better finally have real EXMOR level, even 80D and 1DC just still don't cut it. Better but not the full amount to really start making it useful in forest interior scenarios and some other often encountered outdoor scenarios.
The 30MP isn't bad, still not the reach of a 7D or even A7R II, but least it's just enough that you should notice the extra reach a bit compared to 5D3. And 7fps is pretty nice. Needs to have a nice buffer too.
I do wonder a bit if a Nikon D820 might not manage 42MP 6fps and then 8fps in a slight crop mode and with top video and DR and all.
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
Common features found in broadcast lenses that aren't common for cine lenses:
Bizarre zoom ratios
Zoom preset points
Motorised zoom
Digital realtime, highly accurate, readout of current zoom/focus/aperture (really important for vr/ar)
3kramd5 said:rrcphoto said:neuroanatomist said:
the Sony’s HDC-4300 is around $65,000 to the 900 which is around $80,000 USD.
Canon's digisuper lenses START at $95,000 or so and go to over $150,000
who's more happy?
Probably depends on the markup.
Incidentally, what do broadcast lenses do that cinema lenses don't? It's a market I've never researched.
Common features found in broadcast lenses that aren't common for cine lenses:
Bizarre zoom ratios
Zoom preset points
Motorised zoom
Digital realtime, highly accurate, readout of current zoom/focus/aperture (really important for vr/ar)
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
romanr74 said:neuroanatomist said:romanr74 said:neuroanatomist said:romanr74 said:
That point is when the capacity and/or speed of the recording media becomes a limitation. That was true for the 1D X II for CF, but if it's not the case for the 5DIV, then changing format just for the sake of it becomes a needless additional expense for buyers.
For the 1D X II, it was a needed expense – and Canon helped defray that cost by offering a free card+reader bundle. Doing so for the 5DIV's much larger sales volume would be quite costly. While that doesn't matter to consumers, I can assure you it matters to Canon.
No doubt Canon has data from consumers to support sticking with CF being better for sales, it's also better for most consumers, who likely already have CF cards and readers.
Too bad you can't double the capacity of a CF card by cutting a notch out of the other side and flipping it over.
True short term given you limit the camera specs such that you don't "have to" upgrade to CFast. Yet it remains a short-term trade-off. It will not be possible or reasonable to remaint with an existing technology because the users would have extra investments with a tech change. That will come anyway, and the decision can easily and quickly turn into a handicap.
Sorry, but it seems like you're not getting this – and it's not that complicated. It's very unlikely that Canon limited the camera specs based on keeping CF. The 1D X II needs CFast for full performance, but if you think the 5DIV should match the speed specs of the 1D X II, you should move to dilbertland. Please explain how, if a camera is released today and uses CF, that not using CFast will 'easily and quickly turn into a handicap'. Are Sandisk and Lexar going to stop producing CF cards? Consider that even 8" floppies are still being manufactured, and 3.5" disks are still widely available.
Yes, eventually the performance needs of the 5-series will require CFast (or something newer). But the 5DIV isn't there yet. Meanwhile, a 128 GB Sandisk CF costs $150, and a 128 GB CFast costs $370. A storage medium that costs 2.5x as much without offering any performance benefit for a given camera is a real and present handicap, not some vague and unspecified potential future problem (except, apparently, for certain dumbasses who'd prefer to needlessly waste money).
Dont fantasize into my comments...
What triggered my comment was a statement essentially suggesting cameras should use CF cards until they die, because users don't want to buy new tech cards. And I stick to my viewpoint that this is a BS statement, because it inevitably leads to a limitation of technical development.
Let me know if you disagree.
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
If Canon asked me:
~36Mp (the number that was needed for 4k binning, was it 36? or 46?)
DPAF
4k60
1080p120
720p240
CF (unless video BW requires CFast. In that case CFast)
Wifi
Anti-flicker
Super-silent shutter
If Canon asked me:
~36Mp (the number that was needed for 4k binning, was it 36? or 46?)
DPAF
4k60
1080p120
720p240
CF (unless video BW requires CFast. In that case CFast)
Wifi
Anti-flicker
Super-silent shutter
Upvote
0
Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
I rekon I will have one, I'd have a 1DX2 if it were not for that shutter noise!!! Sold my Mk1 and stuck with the 5D3, love the silent shutter on the 5D3, so 30MP Mk4.... Ok then...
I rekon I will have one, I'd have a 1DX2 if it were not for that shutter noise!!! Sold my Mk1 and stuck with the 5D3, love the silent shutter on the 5D3, so 30MP Mk4.... Ok then...
Upvote
0
