*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

[Eldar]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

The level of Fanboy-ism on this thread is impressive.

I don’t know how old or technically savy are most of you but I want to make some things clear:

1.- Those that don’t want or care about video: Video is the future. Images will be a thing of the past in some years and they will be merged with video. A video is a series of stills. Just look at how fast video is taking over stills in every media outlet, facebook, instagram etc. Look how many images vs video are published. Times are changing, and they are changing faster every year.

2.- What some people here are asking is for canon to innovate. Look are other camera companies, the underdogs. They are innovating. Canon is doing the opposite by having some of the technology and means but purposely crippling their products.

3.- If you don’t need a feature on a camera right now it does not mean you will not need it in the future or other people don’t need it right now. I have seen posts of people glad it does not have 4k 60fps. Others saying they don’t want high MP pictures because it takes too much processing power. You are spending thousands on cameras and lenses, go buy a fast pc and you are set. Take a look at your years old 8MP or 480 video and tell me if you wished you had a camera with 24MP or 1080P at the time?

4.- I can assure you that in less than 3 years the company who shall not be named on this forum will be releasing a mirrorless camera that shoots 8K at 30fps and 4K at 120fps. The 5D MK4 will still be shooting 30MP stills at 7 fps and 4k at 30fps. Yes, I know you will not need it, but the younger generations will.

5.- You all need to stop with the brand loyalty. It hurts you and the brand in the long term.

Quite a first post ...

Your rather bastant statements show very limited knowledge of what photography is all about and you show limited knowledge/experience in which cameras are best suited for what work. I don´t care about video. I don´t care about youtube, facebook or any of the other media who spread , disastrous, amateurish, noisy, poorly edited and horrible videos. I care about high quality stills, preferably printed and framed and I will continue to do so. I also love high quality video/film. But, like most others, that is not something I know how to do, but I know it is not made with a 5D mkIV.

Like many, you seem to believe that the core of a photographers system is the camera body. It rarely is. My investments in glass is more than 5x of that I have in cameras (I have good cameras), so swapping camera system for every other camera release is not an option.

I have 14/16 fps. I have excellent low light performance. I have 50.6MP for high resolution. I have excellent AF. I have excellent weather sealing. I have excellent customer support. I have the most comprehensive set of lenses available for any system. My system is first in line for any third party accessory ... and you suggest I change brand??

Hello Eldar,

Your assumptions about me are all wrong. Sorry to disappoint. I don’t even know if you read or comprehended what I wrote. I am baffled on how you got to those assumptions or to the conclusion that I want you to change brands. I wouldn’t.

It is ok if you don’t care about video. Good for you that you have so many cameras and lenses. You are the 1%. The thing is: it’s not about you, as you say over and over in your post. It’s about the other 99% of the market share.

I think I understood what you wrote. If you meant something else, then I suggest you clarify. 120 fps 4k video will give you loads of images. But they will not replace a well composed, well lit, high resolution still image. They are a complement. Yes, when we had 8MP resolution, we wanted more. Today I have 50MP and the resolution issue, as far as I am concerned, is solved. But there are lots of other areas to address.

You point out that we have never seen as many images and videos being published as today. I agree. 95% or there about are made with mobile phones. Canon is aiming at a different user group. However, with my outdated and uninventive Canon gear, I have DPAF (can anyone else provide anything better?) and (up to) 60 fps 4k video, with frame grab. I even believe it is the best video package offered by any MILC/DSLR at the moment, but that can be wrong, since I just don´t use it. The only ones I have seen saying they don´t want 60fps 4k, says so because they don´t want to pay for something they don´t use. I am one of those.

Yes, improved video functionality is most welcome, for those who makes videos. Canon is delivering an excellent range of cameras in the EOS C-series, with special purpose lenses, in addition to the full range of EF lenses, for that purpose. But that does not mean that you should try to make the 5DIV a video wonder machine. Because by doing so, you reduce the value of that camera as a stills camera and you are getting a video camera with poor form facto and you are making it unnecessarily expensive.

I believe your statement: "You all need to stop with the brand loyalty ..." suggests that we should jump between brands. I told you why that is a bad option for me, as it is for many others.

FYI, despite digital, lots of people are still using film and as far as I know, the number is now growing. CDs are dying, while vinyl records are having a renaissance. Stradivarius violins are still the ultimate source of violin sound, despite sampling and synthesizer technology and so on and so on ... Still images might just survive, also in the future ...

And finally, No, I don´t believe I am the 1%. I believe I am in a smaller group than that. However, I am one of the best customers they have and so are a number of other members on this forum. Over the years, like them, I have bought Canon gear for several hundred thousand dollars. And, through personal contact, internet forums, photo clubs etc. I have advised and recommended Canon cameras and lenses to others, for a lot more than that.

 

[nightscape123]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

I know we are all busy insulting each other and talking about mostly useless video that 80% of people won't even use, but are we still expecting new lenses to be announced alongside the 5d IV? There was a lot of talk about the 16-35 f/2.8 III being announced with this camera but I haven't heard anything in a while.

 

[PureClassA]

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120 fps 4k video will give you loads of images. But they will not replace a well composed, well lit, high resolution still image.

Bingo. Let's not forget about all the other limitations like shutter speed. Even at 120fps, the fastest shutter speed you can really employ (assuming you are also shooting usable motion footage) is 1/250th second. Not fast enough to stop fast action motion blur in a still. Not even close. I often need a minimum of 1/500th to 1/1000th.

Plus in order to keep your shutter speed in proper motion blur ranges in relations to your fps, you often need to either sacrifice the ideal aperture for the shot you want, or you have to be bothered with always carrying around and using just the right amount of ND filtering to bring it in range.

No thanks... Stills aren't going anywhere anytime soon. 4k capture is a GREAT feature, but in no way is it going to replace the flexibility of still shooting.

 

[Eldar]

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I know we are all busy insulting each other and talking about mostly useless video that 80% of people won't even use, but are we still expecting new lenses to be announced alongside the 5d IV? There was a lot of talk about the 16-35 f/2.8 III being announced with this camera but I haven't heard anything in a while.

I am crossing my fingers for a high quality 24-105 f4L IS II. As far as I understand, we will see upgrades to both the 16-35/2.8 and the 24-105/4.

 

[PureClassA]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

I know we are all busy insulting each other and talking about mostly useless video that 80% of people won't even use, but are we still expecting new lenses to be announced alongside the 5d IV? There was a lot of talk about the 16-35 f/2.8 III being announced with this camera but I haven't heard anything in a while.

I like your thinking. I want to be surprised with the new 50L .... FINALLY. (Please Canon? Please???)

 

[3kramd5]

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1.- Those that don’t want or care about video: Video is the future. Images will be a thing of the past in some years and they will be merged with video. A video is a series of stills. Just look at how fast video is taking over stills in every media outlet, facebook, instagram etc. Look how many images vs video are published. Times are changing, and they are changing faster every year.

Video isn't the future, video is now. So are stills.

FB/Instagram is pushing 360°, whether still or video.

Regardless, unless during the "in some time" you're referring to, cameras become able to shoot raw video with the ability to do long exposures (however that would work) or shutter times pushing towards 1/8000 sec whilst triggering strobes at very high resolutions and without creating storage nightmares (who wants to deal with say 30 frames of video versus 1 still when a print is the final output?), then video will not be replacing stills.

It is ok if you don’t care about video. Good for you that you have so many cameras and lenses. You are the 1%. The thing is: it’s not about you, as you say over and over in your post. It’s about the other 99% of the market share.

You have a distorted view of the market if you think Eldar's represents 1% of photographers' collections. It's probably closer to 0.01%.

 

[RBC5]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

I think it's important to remember that regardless of the accuracy, these are still rumors and we won't know for sure until the camera is announced. Many of the opinions in this thread seem to be based on the idea that the specs in the original post are fact, when in fact we don't know. What other non-reliably-rumored features does the IV have? Is there perhaps an on-demand AA filter? How much difference would that make alongside the other specs? Most of us don't want it to be an upgrade that makes us say, "Well, that's a pretty good upgrade." We want it to be something that makes us say "Yeah, that's nice. I like the improvements," without expecting the moon. As a previous poster suggested, many of us skip upgrades, and Canon knows this. I had the Mk II and didn't think the III was different enough to spend the money. But the difference between the II and the IV is a really nice jump, and THAT is worth upgrading, even if the aforementioned specs aren't exactly the way it will come.

Also as others have mentioned, our main investment is in glass, and just as good glass gave me great results in my old 20D years ago, it gives me good results in my 7DII, my 6D for landscapes, macro, and astro-shooting, and it will give great results in the 5D IV.

Some people are focused on bells and whistles, but my main concerns are increasingly better resolution, dynamic range, noise control, and low-light ISO performance; in short - the quality of the image that ends up in print. That's what I want to carry in a Canon DSLR. (Secondary to those is FPS, but if the improvement is in good IQ this time, I'd be happy to wait for a couple more FPS in the next generation of processors.) For video - I have a nice video camera.

 

[arthurbikemad]

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I am still tempted by a 1DX2 but feel I should wait to see the spec of the Mk4 before I buy, I like the idea of 30mp but don't think it will be the case, 24 or 28 maybe, 30? Odd number but as said, rumours.

 

[tron]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

instaimage, if I had to bet money, is a fake. Simply not displaying enough intelligence to deserve attention.

These threads, so close to an announcement sure become a drag although there is still some helpful information to be gleaned. I will not buy the 1DX II until after the full specs are out because my shooting history shows I am often reach limited (and can't afford the $ or weight of a longer lens) and staying with 20 MP (1DX II) moving from the 6D is somewhat disappointing. I cannot justify a 5DS backed by a 6D for my shooting needs as my only two cameras so the 5D IV might just be an option rather than the 1DX II. However, there are all those 1 level features that muddy the water (exposure linked to focus, lit focus points, etc.).

I'd like to hear what others that are in essentially the same situation, are thinking.

Jack

Jack,
To me, the 5DIV seem to be a near perfect camera for your needs (if I have them right). 30MP, with good cropping capability, most likely good low light performance, better noise performance and improved DR. 7 fps is a big improvement over the 6D and most likely plenty for 99% of what you shoot. 4k video (no 60 fps though) is included, with touch screen and DPAF. The AF system will (minimum) be on par with the 5DSR (which is great). Only possible downside is the lack of metering following AF point, but that is still just speculation (it should be included). But I manage with the 5DSR, so I assume you will with a 5DIV. And, it is half the weight of a 1DXII and probably +2k$ available for good glass.

Your choice

Now Eldar an opinion: You do have 1DxII and 5DsR and you like bird photography. 5DIV falls between 1DxII and 5DsR. What would you do?
I think I know the answer: these 2 cameras are more specialized for your needs...

But if you started from scratch which would you choose?

Well, I am amongst the privileged, having both the 5DSR and 1DXII and this combo covers pretty much everything I want to do. However, if I could have only one camera body, I believe the 5DIV (provided the spec rumours are correct) could be a very compelling alternative. If the sensor is good enough, I might buy it as the general walk-around camera and limit the use of the 5DSR to more slow speed tripod work.

I have 2 5D3's and a 7D2. So I will upgrade. But I must say I am tempted by both 1DxII and 5DsR! I just wait ...

 

[zim]

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Wow so many pages of angst, must be a CR record. Really seemed to take a step up when the 7fps was announced though. I wonder if it had been just 1fps more would that have happened or am I just imaging things?


completely OT but wasn't Bryony Page's trampoline performance to win silver and her reaction absolutely bloomin brilliant YAAAAYYY!!!!

 

[tron]

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Wow so many pages of angst, must be a CR record. Really seemed to take a step up when the 7fps was announced though. I wonder if it had been just 1fps more would that have happened or am I just imaging things?


completely OT but wasn't Bryony Page's trampoline performance to win silver and her reaction absolutely bloomin brilliant YAAAAYYY!!!!

I am not among those who complained about it but to tell the truth I was hoping for 8fps...

 

[PureClassA]

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I am not among those who complained about it but to tell the truth I was hoping for 8fps...

I was too. I suspect most were. And granted, NOTHING is official yet, so who knows. Having pushed the DX2 to 14fps, they certainly had the marketing room to do 8fps in the 5. I suspect that because the designers and marketing were perhaps more concerned with reaching the 30MP threshold with the sensor, they had to forego that one extra fps for data processing reasons. Again, this is all still horsepoop speculation til the official announcement, but it sure is entertaining! ;D

 

[1DX2Uncut]

Re: *UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image

Next crystal ball topic: How long after "the official announcement" will the 5DMKIV actually be available to purchase?

Typically what will we see on this one... 30 days - or 6 months until we can actually buy it? ???

 

[PureClassA]

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For months it's been set for August announcement and ship in September. Canon wont be dragging this one out

Next crystal ball topic: How long after "the official announcement" will the 5DMKIV actually be available to purchase?

Typically what will we see on this one... 30 days - or 6 months until we can actually buy it? ???

 

[3kramd5]

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Next crystal ball topic: How long after "the official announcement" will the 5DMKIV actually be available to purchase?

Typically what will we see on this one... 30 days - or 6 months until we can actually buy it? ???

You're still on the mk4? What about the 5D5?

 

[Mikehit]

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completely OT but wasn't Bryony Page's trampoline performance to win silver and her reaction absolutely bloomin brilliant YAAAAYYY!!!!

Absolutely bleedin' marvellous. What a refreshing expression of sheer joy. ;D ;D ;D

 

[applecider]

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I have heard around the chemical developing vats that the 5DIV will have a crop mode wherein the 30.4± MP will crop to 22.4 MP to provide a modest boost for those who choose it. It will be like the old region selector for DVD's though where once you have chosen it you are locked into it for the life of the sensor. One eye blinks twice.

Not a word about radio controlled flash (a doubtful feature), illuminated buttons (I spent a part of last nite at an overlook on the columbia river with a significant portion of Oregon's population seeking perseids, such buttons would have come in handy to keep lighting down, although the cars going through the parking lot took care of that a few considerate drivers shut down their main beams and crept along on parking lights), crop modes, software etc.

 

[PureClassA]

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I have heard around the chemical developing vats that the 5DIV will have a crop mode wherein the 30.4± MP will crop to 22.4 MP to provide a modest boost for those who choose it. It will be like the old region selector for DVD's though where once you have chosen it you are locked into it for the life of the sensor. One eye blinks twice.

Not a word about radio controlled flash (a doubtful feature), illuminated buttons (I spent a part of last nite at an overlook on the columbia river with a significant portion of Oregon's population seeking perseids, such buttons would have come in handy to keep lighting down, although the cars going through the parking lot took care of that a few considerate drivers shut down their main beams and crept along on parking lights), crop modes, software etc.

I've never used crop modes before on mine, but my impression is that they aren't really crop per se. They have to be imported into DPP to recognize the exif data that says "crop me" or something of the sort. The entire frame is still read when the shot is taken. Only time you have a true in camera crop is when you use video modes that either bin pixels or actually use a cropped area of the frame to record natively.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

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Video thoughts:

-4K 30p.

GREAT.

(People, 60p fries up the 1DXII with it's enormous heatsink so not a matter of CFast. Also, no other camera on the market does more than 30p so it's a strange compaint)

-1080p@60p and 720p@120p

Not so bad but not great. Good that we'll get 4x slowmotion when we need it for decent 720 HD quality.

MJPEG 4:2:2 500Mbps

GREAT!!!. Broadcast quality codec and enormous files with tons of film latitude, unparalleled codec by any rival.

-30.4 megapixels

This means Fullframe 4K for sure. The 1Dx has a sensor resolution close enough to make a 1:1 crop and still have a large size video but with 30.4mp sensor if they do a 1:1 readout too, we'd have a 2.8x 4K crop mode. Which is very unlikely. So I hope they make a nice clean downsample from the FF sensor to 4K.

-Touchscreen

But where the hell is my DPAF?


Sad stuff:

1 - No C-Log, just like 1dx. Which means 1DC will still have the most filmic and high DR video in the DSLR line up but it's 5000$ (and the 1DC doesn't have state of the art 30.4mp small body).

2 - No D750 Nikon Tilt like screen

3 - No DPAF apparently? that'd be a huge marketing fail. It's an essential marketing point for canon in the market as they own it exclusively and professionals are using it now even on high end C300II.

4 - No peaking and zebras, two simple ML features they refuse to give.

 

[PureClassA]

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Video thoughts:

Sad stuff:

1 - No C-Log, just like 1dx. Which means 1DC will still have the most filmic and high DR video in the DSLR line up but it's 5000$ (and the 1DC doesn't have state of the art 30.4mp small body).

2 - No D750 Nikon Tilt like screen

3 - No DPAF apparently? that'd be a huge marketing fail. It's an essential marketing point for canon in the market as they own it exclusively and professionals are using it now even on high end C300II.

4 - No peaking and zebras, two simple ML features they refuse to give.

No C-Log sucks but it's not a Cinema EOS model. Since the 1DX2 was clearly intended as a replacement for both the 1DX and the 1DC, it's more frustrating it wasn't included on the 1DX2. I'm hoping this will also be a firmware update later on along with the full spectrum of HD recording and 4k output via HDMI. At present, the DX2 can only output 1080p 24fps via HDMI. No 4K out. No 120fps in HD out.

Another site claims to have confirmation that the sensor will indeed be DPAF.

We dont know anything about the LCD yet other than touch screen with greater functionality than the DX2 (although I'm willing to bet heavily the DX2 gets a firmware upgrade for this in very short order following the 5D4 release). I'm not sure Canon would do the tilt flip screen on a 5 body anyway. They prefer ultimate durability. Could be wrong.

Peaking and Zebras. It's not on the 1DX2, I doubt we will see it on the 5D4 although no information one way or another has been given on this. Personally, I think video people THAT serious are probably more inclined to use external devices like Atomos which already have that stuff on board.