DPReview: Canon EOS R5 and R6 overheating claims tested: cameras work as promised – but that’s not enough
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I wonder about even needing 4K for many things today, certainly news does not use it as final product in many productions, but to consider marketability and future proofing, or leaving room to crop or down sample- I think it makes sense. Plus, people became excited about the possibilities.
60FPS is useful to get smoother looking footage, it just has a look, although blended onto 30fps timelines with other footage....
120FPS for really slowing something down might be useful to catch transitioning expressions or flowers tossed or who knows- I am sure a good creative wedding shooter can make use.
I also concede the point that just being able to advertise you could do these things, when someone else cannot, might be good marketing to get jobs. Just be sure to word the ad as" I can get you 2 mins of 8K, additional 2 minutes cost $3899"
Regardless, no camera can do it all yet , as much as many wished and hoped when Canon carelessly boasted about their limited features. I'm happy to accept what these cameras are and wait for fixes, or a next generation hybrid that can really do it all.
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This is a really neat trick of misdirection that we're all getting sucked into. I have to hand it to the Sony promoters on social media.
First, these Youtube reviewers basically conduct tests that do nothing but confirm the info that Canon already put out from day one. But they act like they've discovered something new.
Second, they get people to pay attention to video features that most will not use or not use very intensively, and ignore the most important features of the camera for stills.
Someone else asked this on another forum: how many hobbyists use the video features on their mirrorless or DSLRs? Especially for long periods of time? You have to learn about the various video codecs, frame rates, etc...and then edit in complex programs on your computer, and then export for viewing. How many people realistically do that, especially among those who are not pro's?
Among pro's...the one's I know are very prepared. They test equipment before buying it and using it and plan on how they want to use it. The pro's will know what to do and what not to do with this camera. They do not need consumer type reviews.
First, these Youtube reviewers basically conduct tests that do nothing but confirm the info that Canon already put out from day one. But they act like they've discovered something new.
Second, they get people to pay attention to video features that most will not use or not use very intensively, and ignore the most important features of the camera for stills.
Someone else asked this on another forum: how many hobbyists use the video features on their mirrorless or DSLRs? Especially for long periods of time? You have to learn about the various video codecs, frame rates, etc...and then edit in complex programs on your computer, and then export for viewing. How many people realistically do that, especially among those who are not pro's?
Among pro's...the one's I know are very prepared. They test equipment before buying it and using it and plan on how they want to use it. The pro's will know what to do and what not to do with this camera. They do not need consumer type reviews.
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After suggesting a heat sink cage, SmallRig might come up with something to help: https://www.smallrig.com/blog/no-more-concerns-about-the-overheating-of-canon-r5/
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Yeah, that’s what I used to argue... until I got the camera. Trust me, you are never going to want to shoot normal 4K mode, once you’ve seen the difference in quality to the HQ mode. And also of note: the stills quality decreases when the camera overheats. One last thing... shooting stills alone can overheat this camera.
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Um yeah. The 12 MP "hybrid" camera that is 95% video focused and 5% stills focused wins for long-duration video. Is anyone surprised by this?
All this bantering back and forth comes down to one thing. When someone says a small, mirrorless camera is a hybrid camera do you expect it to be stills focused? Or video focused? What split? 50/50? 80/20? 20/80? You can't design a camera that does it all and that will likely always be true. When technology improves and the canon R5 Mark III can do 75MP stills and unlimited 8K video there will be some other feature that it can't do as well as a dedicated video camera (or dedicated stills camera).
When designing the R5 canon went with the 80/20 split. If that upsets you or doesn't meet your needs and you wanted a 5/95 split then obviously the camera is not for you. But they didn't dupe the camera world, they didn't forget (LOL) to add a heat sink, and they aren't going to recall and completely redesign the camera to match YOUR needs. The camera clearly meets a large segment of the market's needs as it is sold out everywhere.
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I know it’s a joke, but sadly covering in ice does little to help. The body is thermally sealed... meaning it’s insulated from both heat and cold. That’s why it’s so hard to cool down.
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So back to the old... only works with a crop are we? I’m not doing that silliness again.
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Extra...extra...read all about it: Tests confirm Canon was honest in its video specs.
Most people buying this camera are using it for stills. Yet most reviews and internet chatter center on the video features, and the high end ones at that and involve technical minutiae to really grasp. So are most reviewers relevant any longer?
Most people buying this camera are using it for stills. Yet most reviews and internet chatter center on the video features, and the high end ones at that and involve technical minutiae to really grasp. So are most reviewers relevant any longer?
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Are the splits here based on your opinion? Don't think any video shooter is asking for 8K. People will always want more, and thats a good thing.
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Most people don’t actually use these things. They are just gear heads talking. People that will actually use these bodies recognize what they are. The R5 is probably the best overall stills camera Canon has ever made; the Sony is something new for the industry, it’s essentially a low end cinema camera in a DSLR form factor ( minus the built in nds, connections etc). It is absolutely going to be the best tool for low budget long form video people.
The Sony is absolute crap as a photo camera, but everyone knew what it would be, as Sony didn’t sell it as a be all.
Canon’s big mistake was selling this thing as the ultimate hybrid body. If they would have marketed it as the best overall stills camera, that happens to do a little video, the market would have responded much differently to the limitations.
This is a massive marketing blunder for Canon.
I can’t wait to get an R5 of my own though (as a stills guy). Hopefully people complain enough to suppress the price while I pick up more lenses first ;-).
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I have used 4k on my iPhone for cropping purposes, so I understand that, though see less point if you have zoom and interchangeable lenses.I wonder about even needing 4K for many things today, certainly news does not use it as final product in many productions, but to consider marketability and future proofing, or leaving room to crop or down sample- I think it makes sense. Plus, people became excited about the possibilities.
60FPS is useful to get smoother looking footage, it just has a look, although blended onto 30fps timelines with other footage....
120FPS for really slowing something down might be useful to catch transitioning expressions or flowers tossed or who knows- I am sure a good creative wedding shooter can make use.
I also concede the point that just being able to advertise you could do these things, when someone else cannot, might be good marketing to get jobs. Just be sure to word the ad as" I can get you 2 mins of 8K, additional 2 minutes cost $3899"
Regardless, no camera can do it all yet , as much as many wished and hoped when Canon carelessly boasted about their limited features. I'm happy to accept what these cameras are and wait for fixes, or a next generation hybrid that can really do it all.
I didn’t think about the flower toss. That would be a good use. Even the rice tossing could be nice. But I wonder about shooting the whole wedding at 120 just to get a few seconds of slomo when the events are predictable enough to allow changing speeds.
Do photographers really deliver videos at 60fps? Editing down to 30fps, software will just skip frames. You could shoot at 30 using the faster shutter speed for the same effect, which is often considered less smooth. That’s why I mentioned soaps.
I really hoped for a reply from a wedding photographer who actually needs these speeds for some reason.
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DP Review: Both the EOS R5 and R6 appear capable of working as promised
Wikipedia: Torture testing involves testing beyond normal operational capacity, often to a breaking point, in order to observe the results.
You connect the dots.
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The splits are arbitrary for the purposes of discussion.
What is clear is that Canon designed the R5 as a stills camera and then added complimentary video features. It can be thought of as a best-in-class 45MP stills camera (with top level AF, IBIS, DR, sharpness, colors) that does full frame 4K video (something that people slammed previous Canon cameras for lacking) with additional cutting edge video features like 8K that are heat limited.
How could Canon have improved the video? Sony already showed how. Reduce the MP down to 12. No 8K or 4KHQ modes. Stills output reduced from class leading to "uh, well, it is good for postage stamp sized social media". There are compromises either way depending on which direction you want the split to go--I'll let you assign numbers for yourself.
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Why? That is the question so many people are asking, I want to see pro photographers results not production video shooters work. If I was interested in a C200 vs C300 then Gerald and Armando, PotatoJet et al would be great references, BUT the R5 is predominantly a stills orientated hybrid along the lines of the α7R IV, and Canon never said otherwise.
If you are going to compare cameras how does the R5 compare to either the 5D MkIV or the α7R IV? If you are going to rig it up with thousands of dollars worth of video grip gear and use it as you would your C500 don't be surprised when it lets you down because it cost 1/3 the price!
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