Canon EOS 80D Announced

[heart+eyes]

Official Canon USA Specs for EOS 80D

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/80d/specifications/canon-eos-80d-specification-chart.pdf

Working range for the one center AF point at f/2.8 EV–3 to 18
Metering is still EV 1–20
Looks like the 80D has the same option for tweaking white balance (ambience priority vs. white priority).

Demo videos: https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/cameras/dslr/eos-80d

 

[SUNDOG04]

Looks like a fine and big evolutionary upgrade. Well done what I gather. Can't understand why people are disappointed. Not everyone wants/needs *** and WIFI. I have that in my 6D and don't have any use for it.

Hell, if Canon upgraded all their bodies at one time, then I suppose people would be bitching that their cameras value has gone down.

It would be great if Canon were to put some similar upgrades to the 6D, but if they did, my camera would be just as capable as it was before. The biggest photographic limitations would still be ME!

 

[Besisika]

I think Canon has put together a nice body here.

I still think it should have a joystick, but overall I think enthusiasts will be pleased.

I am looking forward to learning what power zoon adapter is all about, and it is nice to see Canon coming out with some new gadgets such as that.

Agree!
I like innovations.
It allows you to remotely zoom the lens in and out. Nice tool when the priest doesn't want anybody to walk around during ceremony (at the altar in particular). Nice to have, especially if you use it as a backstage camera for both video and photo.
I can't wait to see when they put it on an L glass, the 24-105 would be nice.

 

[ritholtz]

Looks like a fine and big evolutionary upgrade. Well done what I gather. Can't understand why people are disappointed. Not everyone wants/needs *** and WIFI. I have that in my 6D and don't have any use for it.

Hell, if Canon upgraded all their bodies at one time, then I suppose people would be bitching that their cameras value has gone down.

It would be great if Canon were to put some similar upgrades to the 6D, but if they did, my camera would be just as capable as it was before. The biggest photographic limitations would still be ME!

Now they are talking about DR. I would say it is revolutionary in Canon terms.

"Aims to improve the aperture ratio of the photodiode in the CMOS sensor, it introduced a new miniaturization process in CMOS semiconductor process.High sensitivity and low noise andwide dynamic range, can now be more taking advantage of representation. Further, it employed in combination with excellent photodiode structure in the photoelectric conversion efficiency, an improved pixel transistors to reduce the noise of the pixel portion. To improve the S / N ratio, achieving high ISO speed. In addition, excellent gapless micro lens to light collection efficiency has contributed greatly to the high sensitivity."

 

[nightscape123]

Does DPAF have any effect on high ISO capabilities? Anyone have any way of telling?

I don't really need DPAF, but if it is hurting the high ISO abilities of the camera then I would be actively against it.

Since you essentially have twice the number of pixels as you otherwise would, I am just wondering if that makes for higher noise.

 

[1Zach1]

This bodes well for the EOS-M4.
Full sensor, rocking DPAF with touchscreen, moire free video.

I just hope they don't make it any bigger than the M3.

 

[LesC]

When my 40D bit the dust there was a lot of rumours of problem with the 70D's focussing so I went the way of the 6D instead & got a 100D (SL1) as a backup. Was intending to see what the 80D was like but it would need to come down a fair bit in price first.

In the UK it's listed available to preorder for £999 whereas the 7D MkII is only a little more at £1179. The 760D which may not be as rugged but has most of the features of the 80D is now only £549. I'd be more tempted to go for the 760D at that price difference.

 

[AlanF]

The 2 big questions for me now are: has Canon ditched the AA filter; does the 80D have centre spot focussing (smaller centre spot with a dot in the square)? If yes, I'll rush out and buy the 80D. If no to the first, I won't. If yes to the first, no to the second, then maybe. Losing the AA filter will give a boost to sharpness. Centre spot focussing gives that extra selectivity.

2 x NO.

But I don't think it's a big deal. Sharpness boost will be moderate. And spot focusing is good to have but for the price of lower accuracy.

The-digital-picture has done a careful analysis of the 5DS r vs 5DS and concludes "The clear takeaway is that the 5Ds R delivers a noticeably sharper image and captures more detail. "

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5Ds-R.aspx

So, why does Canon persist with the low-pass filter when just about everyone else has given it up?

 

[H. Jones]

Does DPAF have any effect on high ISO capabilities? Anyone have any way of telling?

I don't really need DPAF, but if it is hurting the high ISO abilities of the camera then I would be actively against it.

Since you essentially have twice the number of pixels as you otherwise would, I am just wondering if that makes for higher noise.

It's not twice the number of pixels, the pixels are each just split. There's still only 24.2 megapixels, but when they're not being used to take a photo, the split of light acts as a sorta phase detect AF. Outside of that, they just act like normal, full pixels. No effect on IQ or ISO at all.

 

[Refurb7]

The 2 big questions for me now are: has Canon ditched the AA filter; does the 80D have centre spot focussing (smaller centre spot with a dot in the square)? If yes, I'll rush out and buy the 80D. If no to the first, I won't. If yes to the first, no to the second, then maybe. Losing the AA filter will give a boost to sharpness. Centre spot focussing gives that extra selectivity.

2 x NO.

But I don't think it's a big deal. Sharpness boost will be moderate. And spot focusing is good to have but for the price of lower accuracy.

The-digital-picture has done a careful analysis of the 5DS r vs 5DS and concludes "The clear takeaway is that the 5Ds R delivers a noticeably sharper image and captures more detail. "

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5Ds-R.aspx

So, why does Canon persist with the low-pass filter when just about everyone else has given it up?

The linked article on The Digital Picture mentions moiré about 60 times. Quote: "The 'R' delivers sharper images, but moiré and aliasing are potential side effects, notably in scenes that include patterns repeating at a specific frequency."

 

[pedro]

Newly Developed 24.2 Megapixel (APS-C) CMOS sensor

Ah, marketing. A more accurate statement would be:

"Old 24.2 Megapixel (APS-C) CMOS sensor from last year's 760D"

Obviously that statement wasn't quite clear enough. The 760D and the 80D have different sensors.

When they say "newly developed", they mean it. This is a 24.2 Megapixel sensor with Dual Pixel Auto focus. Not only does the 760D not have that feature this version of DPAF is different than the one on the 70D. So in order to create this sensor they would need to have started pretty much from scratch.

Does this giv e us a hint of an upcoming 5DIV sensor? Or is it likely that the 5DIV will be equipped with the FF version of this same sensor type?

 

[-pekr-]

We are quite happy with our 70D (we have 60D too, and I somehow never liked it . 80D looks like a nice evo/revolutionary thing, if the new chip delivers.

Now we would like to go the 6D II route, I just hope, and pros might be a bit forgiving, that it gets also a swivel screen. I wish

 

[Etienne]

This bodes well for the EOS-M4.
Full sensor, rocking DPAF with touchscreen, moire free video.

I just hope they don't make it any bigger than the M3.

I think a little bit bigger would be an improvement

 

[Etienne]

The 2 big questions for me now are: has Canon ditched the AA filter; does the 80D have centre spot focussing (smaller centre spot with a dot in the square)? If yes, I'll rush out and buy the 80D. If no to the first, I won't. If yes to the first, no to the second, then maybe. Losing the AA filter will give a boost to sharpness. Centre spot focussing gives that extra selectivity.

2 x NO.

But I don't think it's a big deal. Sharpness boost will be moderate. And spot focusing is good to have but for the price of lower accuracy.

The-digital-picture has done a careful analysis of the 5DS r vs 5DS and concludes "The clear takeaway is that the 5Ds R delivers a noticeably sharper image and captures more detail. "

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5Ds-R.aspx

So, why does Canon persist with the low-pass filter when just about everyone else has given it up?

The linked article on The Digital Picture mentions moiré about 60 times. Quote: "The 'R' delivers sharper images, but moiré and aliasing are potential side effects, notably in scenes that include patterns repeating at a specific frequency."

+1000 ... Moire is extremely difficult to deal with in post processing.

 

[rrcphoto]

This bodes well for the EOS-M4.
Full sensor, rocking DPAF with touchscreen, moire free video.

I just hope they don't make it any bigger than the M3.

same. I already find storing 2 M3's certainly less convenient than 2 M's.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: It seems Pentax K-1 is better choice

I'm a Canon funboy. 5D mk3, D550, some L-optics.
But I see Pentax K-1 full frame camera (36Mpix) for $1.8K. Wow!

Who needs D80 for $1.2K ???
Where is 6D mk2 ?
Canon 5D mk4 will have 28MPix ? Good buy Canon.

good luck using that 150-450mm Pentax lens without IS with a non-stablized AF,metering or viewfinder.

 

[jasny]

The 2 big questions for me now are: has Canon ditched the AA filter; does the 80D have centre spot focussing (smaller centre spot with a dot in the square)? If yes, I'll rush out and buy the 80D. If no to the first, I won't. If yes to the first, no to the second, then maybe. Losing the AA filter will give a boost to sharpness. Centre spot focussing gives that extra selectivity.

2 x NO.

But I don't think it's a big deal. Sharpness boost will be moderate. And spot focusing is good to have but for the price of lower accuracy.

The-digital-picture has done a careful analysis of the 5DS r vs 5DS and concludes "The clear takeaway is that the 5Ds R delivers a noticeably sharper image and captures more detail. "

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5Ds-R.aspx

So, why does Canon persist with the low-pass filter when just about everyone else has given it up?

Agree. But I can live with that filter. Don't know the reason they still use it. Canon is always a little bit conservative .
As for the moire, it appears sometimes even on my 70d.

 

[jasny]

Re: It seems Pentax K-1 is better choice

I'm a Canon funboy. 5D mk3, D550, some L-optics.
But I see Pentax K-1 full frame camera (36Mpix) for $1.8K. Wow!

Who needs D80 for $1.2K ???
Where is 6D mk2 ?
Canon 5D mk4 will have 28MPix ? Good buy Canon.

good luck using that 150-450mm Pentax lens without IS with a non-stablized AF,metering or viewfinder.

There are some other means of lens stabilisations. I mean old fashioned monopod etc. Although I have IS-equipped telephoto lens, I still use my old 400/5.6 successfully

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: It seems Pentax K-1 is better choice

I'm a Canon funboy. 5D mk3, D550, some L-optics.
But I see Pentax K-1 full frame camera (36Mpix) for $1.8K. Wow!

Who needs D80 for $1.2K ???
Where is 6D mk2 ?
Canon 5D mk4 will have 28MPix ? Good buy Canon.

good luck using that 150-450mm Pentax lens without IS with a non-stablized AF,metering or viewfinder.

There are some other means of lens stabilisations. I mean old fashioned monopod etc. Although I have IS-equipped telephoto lens, I still use my old 400/5.6 successfully

of course.. but if you had a choice between a 400 5.6L IS or a 400 5.6L .. for the same price what would you want?

 

[racebit]

Re: It seems Pentax K-1 is better choice

... but if you had a choice between a 400 5.6L IS or a 400 5.6L .. for the same price what would you want?

I prefer the non-IS: faster focus and lighter and I don't need IS at 1/1000-1/2000, required to freeze action anyway. IS works only for the shooter, not for the target. Shorter exposure works for both.