Confirmation of Upcoming Product Announcements

[sunnyVan]

There would be too few distinguishing differences between a 5dmk4 and 6dmk2. Why would anyone pay twice as much for a 5dmk4 just for 4k video and better build quality?

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

Not at all hard to believe a 6DII will have DPAF.

 

[Loswr]

There would be too few distinguishing differences between a 5dmk4 and 6dmk2. Why would anyone pay twice as much for a 5dmk4 just for 4k video and better build quality?

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

Not at all hard to believe a 6DII will have DPAF.

So are you suggesting the 6DII will get >60 AF points, f/8 AF, dual card slots, >24 MP, a deep buffer, 6-7 fps, etc...or are you suggesting those features are worthless and non-differentiating and that anyone who bought a 5DIII instead of a 6D was foolish? ???

 

[wsmith96]

Ah, but that's the rub. Zoom or prime, name one canon lens wider than 35mm that is f/2.8 or faster that has low coma. The 24-70L II is really the only move there, and I presume the astro camp wants wider or faster than that.

So every time a new wide / fast lens gets offered by anyone, it gets the astro camp's hopes up. This one is no different.

- A

True, but there are 3rd party options. I'm not an normally and astro shooter, but when I do, I shoot with a rokinon 14 mm 2.8 (in my "most interesting man in the world voice"). Stay sharp my friends....

 

[nightscape123]

There would be too few distinguishing differences between a 5dmk4 and 6dmk2. Why would anyone pay twice as much for a 5dmk4 just for 4k video and better build quality?

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

Not at all hard to believe a 6DII will have DPAF.

So are you suggesting the 6DII will get >60 AF points, f/8 AF, dual card slots, >24 MP, a deep buffer, 6-7 fps, etc...or are you suggesting those features are worthless and non-differentiating and that anyone who bought a 5DIII instead of a 6D was foolish? ???

Fairly certain the 6D II will have 24 MP, and f/8 focusing. It would be foolish not to since even the 80d got those things. However it will probably only have 4-5 fps, a small buffer, and a significantly less powerful AF system. The AF system and fps seem to be the biggest differentiators for canon. I doubt it will get 4k video though.

 

[wsmith96]

The new 24-105L II makes last year's 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 STM even more of a head scratcher. For full frame shooters, I've had a hard time recommending it to anyone over a used copy of the existing 24-105L. For crop users, I have a really hard time recommending it over the new 18-135 Nano USM lens.

I thought it would make more sense when the next generation of full frame bodies released with DPAF support, but the 5DIV will presumably have DPAF...but will come with a new kit lens.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

It makes an affordable solution for the 6D II.

 

[sunnyVan]

Not saying those features are worthless and certainly not saying anyone's foolish to choose 5dmk3 over 6d. I'm one of those people who upgraded from 6d to mk3. I upgraded for the extra AF points, not those extra features that are really nice but not a must to have. The 6D matches 5dmk2 in many ways. It's reasonable to expect a 6dmk2 to match 5dmk3 in many ways. And when a 6dmk2 is almost as good as a 5dmk3, it becomes very difficult to justify paying premium for extra features that regular joes don't need. There comes a point when good enough is good enough. It's the same phenomenon with smartphones. I have an iphone 6. I was a happy user of Note 2 for many years before that. And now I don't see any reason to upgrade to iphone 7 or 8 or 9. My iphone 6 is just good enough.

Back to my point. 6Dmk2, if it exists at all, will be very competent. 5dmk4 must beat it in some very important features. I see DPAF as a reasonable differentiating factor.

There would be too few distinguishing differences between a 5dmk4 and 6dmk2. Why would anyone pay twice as much for a 5dmk4 just for 4k video and better build quality?

But that'd mean that the 6Dii would have DPAF, which I'd find a little hard to believe.

Who exactly is the 24-105 STM for?

6DII kit lens? Maybe there's an even cheaper FF Rebel coming down the pike?

Not at all hard to believe a 6DII will have DPAF.

So are you suggesting the 6DII will get >60 AF points, f/8 AF, dual card slots, >24 MP, a deep buffer, 6-7 fps, etc...or are you suggesting those features are worthless and non-differentiating and that anyone who bought a 5DIII instead of a 6D was foolish? ???

 

[wsmith96]

What happened to the 70-300 IS USM II?

Good catch. That fell off the list somewhere....

 

[epsiloneri]

Zoom or prime, name one canon lens wider than 35mm that is f/2.8 or faster that has low coma.

The EF 15/2.8 fisheye has very low coma, unfortunately it's been replaced by the slower EF 8-15/4L. But I know of no faster Canon than 2.8 (and wider than 35mm) with low coma. The Samyangs have low coma but are not very sharp to begin with in my experience. The Sigma Arts all sadly have very poor coma at faster than 2.8.

 

[AvTvM]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a shitty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

 

[Canon Rumors]

What happened to the 70-300 IS USM II?

It's coming after Photokina...

 

[PureClassA]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a S___ty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

And those S____ty things actually work when you need them....

 

[Canon Rumors]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a S___ty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

Canon is releasing a camera people will actually buy, and not just talk about.

 

[wockawocka]

Where's my new 50L and 85L ???

 

[Canon Rumors]

Where's my new 50L and 85L ???

Not in 2016 I'm afraid, just a 70-300 coming.

 

[AvTvM]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a S___ty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

Canon is releasing a camera people will actually buy, and not just talk about.

some people will buy. I will not buy 5d4. 5D3 is the last mirrorslapper i ever bought. Simple as that.

 

[rrcphoto]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a S___ty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

Canon is releasing a camera people will actually buy, and not just talk about.

some people will buy. I will not buy 5d4. 5D3 is the last mirrorslapper i ever bought. Simple as that.

canon has a 49% marketshare for the first 6 months of 2015. I doubt they care.

 

[nightscape123]

Zoom or prime, name one canon lens wider than 35mm that is f/2.8 or faster that has low coma.

The EF 15/2.8 fisheye has very low coma, unfortunately it's been replaced by the slower EF 8-15/4L. But I know of no faster Canon than 2.8 (and wider than 35mm) with low coma. The Samyangs have low coma but are not very sharp to begin with in my experience. The Sigma Arts all sadly have very poor coma at faster than 2.8.

Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 is the best one out there currently imo. Fast, sharp and no coma to speak of. Unfortunately it doesn't take filters easily and it weighs as much as a brick; literally. I'm hoping the new canon will be able to match it but with filters and lower weight. If so i'll sell the tamron and save up for the newer canon.

 

[unfocused]

Not saying those features are worthless and certainly not saying anyone's foolish to choose 5dmk3 over 6d...There comes a point when good enough is good enough.

For most people, we are well past the point of "good enough." Indeed, that's one of the challenges facing the industry. If everyone bought a camera that was "good enough" no one would buy a full frame camera and most people wouldn't ever buy anything except a Rebel (In fact, that's already the case.)

Canon and Nikon are focusing on the enthusiast market, which is generally not driven by either need or logic, but rather by want.

They only need the 5DIV to have sufficient panache to attract enthusiasts. That said, there are plenty of features where Canon can differentiate the 6D from the 5D series. There is no guarantee that the 6D II will inherit the 5D III autofocus (which may also end up being the 5D IV autofocus as well). Even the 70D Autofocus would be a significant step up.

The 6DII will not have the 5D's weathersealing or controls, but will likely retain the same XXD series controls. It will have a different sensor, which is likely to be lower mp count than the 5DIV. It will have a slower frame rate and it will likely have just one SD card slot.

I do agree the 6D II will have DPAF and will most likely have additional f8 autofocus points (Those added points are all about selling the 100-400 "L" and not about the cameras).

I have complete confidence in Canon's ability to target our vanity well enough to get people to buy the 5D IV, even if there aren't a lot of significant differences between it and the 6D II.

 

[Gnocchi]

What is the hold up on the 50mm 1.4 replacement?
23 years to design and build a replacement!
Come on canon.....

 

[Loswr]

I'm one of those people who upgraded from 6d to mk3. I upgraded for the extra AF points, not those extra features that are really nice but not a must to have. The 6D matches 5dmk2 in many ways. It's reasonable to expect a 6dmk2 to match 5dmk3 in many ways. And when a 6dmk2 is almost as good as a 5dmk3, it becomes very difficult to justify paying premium for extra features that regular joes don't need.

Back to my point. 6Dmk2, if it exists at all, will be very competent. 5dmk4 must beat it in some very important features.

Sorry, but you've ignored the elephant in the room - cost. The 5DII was launched at $2700, the 5DIII was launched at the significantly higher price of $3500. When the 5DIII launched, Canon continued (officially) selling the 5DII, which is not their normal practice when launching the next model in the line. They did that because the much higher price of the 5DIII left a gaping hole beneath it. Subsequently (about 6 months after the 5DIII), the 6D was launched and that was the direct 'replacement' of the 5DII, which was then discontinued.

So, yes – the 6D was similar to the 5DII, but the 5DIII was a major improvement over the 5DII (it got the 1-series AF, unprecedented for Canon). The 5DIV is stacking up to be a relatively incremental update to the 5DIII in most ways, so it's not likely that Canon will deliver major changes in the 6DII. The 6DII will improve on the 6D, but it won't leapfrog up to match the 5DIII.

I see DPAF as a reasonable differentiating factor.

It's reasonable, but I don't think Canon will do it. Frame rate, AF, build and sealing, dual card slots, 4K – that's ample differentiation.