More Canon EOS M5 Images & Specifications

[NorbR]

Wow. There's nothing I don't like about that spec list, nor about those pictures. This looks like exactly the camera I wanted.

I see my poor EF-M 11-22mm, left without an M body for 6 months, jump up on my shelf with excitement. It was after all my 2nd most used lens overall (EF and EF-M combined) before I broke my M3 ...

In any case, I'm waiting to see the price, but anything south of a grand and I'm pre-ordering right away. Exciting

 

[Tugela]

How cool is that. A 2017 camera model with 1080p video. Go Canon! Because who needs more than 2 megapixels?

Errr... how many people have 4K TV at home?

Deja vu... Roll back just 10 years to when HD was introduced and the cry was "how many people have a HD TV at home?"

3 or 4 years later and you couldn't buy an SD TV anymore.

The same is happening again. Walk in to any TV retailer and its wall to wall 4K and they are no more expensive than good HD sets were last year.

3 or 4 years from now, 4K will be as ubiquitous as HD was. The same pattern will be followed.

Plenty of 4K content here in the UK including live sport like football and F1 www.sky.com/shop/tv/uhd/

Whilst you're not wrong regarding the availability of 4K TVs, I don't think that sales are in the same league as they were when we moved to HD, just because all TVs for sale now are 4K doesn't translate into everyone has a 4K TV. Also the price of subscribing to Sky in general puts 4K content in the luxury bracket. Canon has a good grasp on what the market actually wants and frankly my guess is that 4K video is low on the list right now.

The reason for shooting in 4K is that while you may not have a 4K TV now, at some point you will. 4K footage will age better than HD footage for that reason.

Another reason for shooting in 4K is that even if you don't have a 4K display, 4K footage downscaled to HD looks better and has fewer artifacts than native HD.

As for what the market wants, keep in mind that cameras like the a7S/R II and GH4 sold better than expected precisely BECAUSE they had 4K. It is definitely something that most people who shoot casual video in an enthusiast camera want.

The M5 should be capable of 4K if it has a Digic 7 inside, but it is probably disabled because the processor would melt down from the heat if they tried to use it. It is NOT because Canon thinks the market doesn't want it (and logically, why on earth would a customer opt not to have an advanced feature?)

Personally, I will never buy any camera going forward that did not include 4K video as an option. It is a decision I reached back in 2014 already, and it is the reason all my Canon stuff has sat in a box in my closet since last year.

I see nothing in this camera to change my point of view, unless they price it at the $300-400 range like the original EOS-M, since IMO that is all it is worth.

 

[Tugela]

That looks really good.
If it had better video capabilities it could rival the gh4.

Except that the GH4 is a 2 year old camera that is about to be replaced by the GH5

 

[stefang]

Looks promising. If only they could put a full frame sensor inside...

 

[gn100]

PS ... Canon should still fire whoever is responsible for withholding a fully-articulated LCD from this camera.

+1000!!! Cmon canon!

Yep. Put me down as another vote for a fully articulated touch screen. That's a bit of a disappointment.

Probably the side hinge for a fully articulated screen added extra bulk / width to the camera .... Canon are keen to keep small, so this is probably a compromise for size

 

[gn100]

No 'Food' mode though

What about Direct Print?
.... or Phone Mode? ;D

 

[Meatcurry]

How cool is that. A 2017 camera model with 1080p video. Go Canon! Because who needs more than 2 megapixels?

Errr... how many people have 4K TV at home?

Deja vu... Roll back just 10 years to when HD was introduced and the cry was "how many people have a HD TV at home?"

3 or 4 years later and you couldn't buy an SD TV anymore.

The same is happening again. Walk in to any TV retailer and its wall to wall 4K and they are no more expensive than good HD sets were last year.

3 or 4 years from now, 4K will be as ubiquitous as HD was. The same pattern will be followed.

Plenty of 4K content here in the UK including live sport like football and F1 www.sky.com/shop/tv/uhd/

Whilst you're not wrong regarding the availability of 4K TVs, I don't think that sales are in the same league as they were when we moved to HD, just because all TVs for sale now are 4K doesn't translate into everyone has a 4K TV. Also the price of subscribing to Sky in general puts 4K content in the luxury bracket.

Exactly the same as was said when HD was introduced, and Sky charged an extra £10 for it...
Whereas there is no specific charge for UHD. You just need to upgrade to the latest Q boxes. My subscription didn't change one penny.
Like I said, deja vu

Errr....most people don't spend over £100 a month on sky, so for the majority it will be an expensive luxury. the vast majority of consumers aren't interested in 4K, this isn't like the rush to HD, which was more about moving from CRT TVs to flat screen.

 

[Nado]

How cool is that. A 2017 camera model with 1080p video. Go Canon! Because who needs more than 2 megapixels?

Errr... how many people have 4K TV at home?
[/
Deja vu... Roll back just 10 years to when HD was introduced and the cry was "how many people have a HD TV at home?"

3 or 4 years later and you couldn't buy an SD TV anymore.

The same is happening again. Walk in to any TV retailer and its wall to wall 4K and they are no more expensive than good HD sets were last year.

3 or 4 years from now, 4K will be as ubiquitous as HD was. The same pattern will be followed.

Plenty of 4K content here in the UK including live sport like football and F1 www.sky.com/shop/tv/uhd/

Whilst you're not wrong regarding the availability of 4K TVs, I don't think that sales are in the same league as they were when we moved to HD, just because all TVs for sale now are 4K doesn't translate into everyone has a 4K TV. Also the price of subscribing to Sky in general puts 4K content in the luxury bracket. Canon has a good grasp on what the market actually wants and frankly my guess is that 4K video is low on the list right now.

The reason for shooting in 4K is that while you may not have a 4K TV now, at some point you will. 4K footage will age better than HD footage for that reason.

Another reason for shooting in 4K is that even if you don't have a 4K display, 4K footage downscaled to HD looks better and has fewer artifacts than native HD.

As for what the market wants, keep in mind that cameras like the a7S/R II and GH4 sold better than expected precisely BECAUSE they had 4K. It is definitely something that most people who shoot casual video in an enthusiast camera want.

The M5 should be capable of 4K if it has a Digic 7 inside, but it is probably disabled because the processor would melt down from the heat if they tried to use it. It is NOT because Canon thinks the market doesn't want it (and logically, why on earth would a customer opt not to have an advanced feature?)

Personally, I will never buy any camera going forward that did not include 4K video as an option. It is a decision I reached back in 2014 already, and it is the reason all my Canon stuff has sat in a box in my closet since last year.

I see nothing in this camera to change my point of view, unless they price it at the $300-400 range like the original EOS-M, since IMO that is all it is worth.

The 5diii with ML hack, upscaled to 4K has better quality video than many 4K cameras on the market. When a camera is labeled 4K, that does NOT mean better quality video than FHD will come out of it. Many other factors that manufactures have pulled the wool over the general publics eyes.....

 

[champion_gs]

it will be amazing mirrorless camera, Canon does it right. no 4K? well, I think it's not big deal. We know that even 6D MkII might won't get it either, it's 50:50, if 6D MkII get 4K, it's no more than what 5D Mark IV could offer. and it continues to 7D mark III, 90D and then it will be on rebel and EOS-M series... so don't bother to get it now, except canon will introduce new FF Mirrorless.. if you want 4K, get another brands, don't hope for canon! if it bothers you, just get another systems.

 

[Woody]

The reviews suggest different
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/7

"When tracking subjects at a distance, the 80D's Face+Tracking mode is much more easily confused than when tracking nearer subjects that appear larger in the frame. This is not too surprising, as larger objects are easier to detect. Fast moving subjects also give dual-pixel AF a hard time, as the system isn't particularly fast at tracking a subject around the frame. Performance also drops during bursts. In our example above, focus actually shifted backward as our rider approached, only catching up by shot #13, before losing our rider again."

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoNRXWFTFa4

From the 13:03 mark, a comparison between 80D live-view AF and 6300 AF was made. According to the reviewer, both cameras were EQUALLY impressive in terms of functionality, but given the ease of use of the 80D touchscreen, the advantage goes to the 80D. Of course, if single eye AF is desired, then only the A6300 has that capability.

DPReview is the same website that pointed out all the flaws of Canon tracking without uttering a single word about the pathetic low light AF of the flagship D4/D4s. The poor low light AF performance of the D810 only gets mentioned TWO years after its release.

Regarding DPReview:
- http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30176.msg605866#msg605866
- http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=70;area=showposts;start=30

 

[lw]

Errr....most people don't spend over £100 a month on sky, so for the majority it will be an expensive luxury. the vast majority of consumers aren't interested in 4K, this isn't like the rush to HD, which was more about moving from CRT TVs to flat screen.

My £100+ includes telephone and broadband, and multiroom.
The majority of people in the UK have Sky. The point is if they have Sports and Movies they can get them in 4K for no extra charge.

Most people in the UK would think spending £800 on a camera is a far greater luxury than subscribing to Sky...

 

[bholliman]

The reviews suggest different
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/7

"When tracking subjects at a distance, the 80D's Face+Tracking mode is much more easily confused than when tracking nearer subjects that appear larger in the frame. This is not too surprising, as larger objects are easier to detect. Fast moving subjects also give dual-pixel AF a hard time, as the system isn't particularly fast at tracking a subject around the frame. Performance also drops during bursts. In our example above, focus actually shifted backward as our rider approached, only catching up by shot #13, before losing our rider again."

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoNRXWFTFa4

From the 13:03 mark, a comparison between 80D live-view AF and 6300 AF was made. According to the reviewer, both cameras were EQUALLY impressive in terms of functionality, but given the ease of use of the 80D touchscreen, the advantage goes to the 80D. Of course, if single eye AF is desired, then only the A6300 has that capability.

DPReview is the same website that pointed out all the flaws of Canon tracking without uttering a single word about the pathetic low light AF of the flagship D4/D4s. The poor low light AF performance of the D810 only gets mentioned TWO years after its release.

Regarding DPReview:
- http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30176.msg605866#msg605866
- http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=70;area=showposts;start=30

+1 DPReview is notorious for its anti-Canon bias, look to truly impartial review sites if you want a fair comparison.

 

[Zv]

Can I edit 4K files the way I can edit HD using Windows Movie Maker? Because that's what I use to edit my 5 mins or so of video per year. I'm just an average guy with an average laptop with some very basic knowledge of video editing but do regular people really go around shooting 4K and edit there files on state of the art custom made PCs? Not anyone I know of. But that's just me, maybe I'm not in with the cool kids!

The specs on this M5 look really good. I like the Dual Pixel, tilt screen, EVF and fps. Everything I ever wanted in an M. Seriously thinking of selling (or just giving away) my M and M2! But of course I'll be sensible and wait!

 

[LDS]

More images of the Canon EOS M5 have appeared, along with more detailed specifications.

Strange.... no one complained yet no WiFi, no GPS... ;D

 

[mustafa]

Just tell me it has a mic input. Can live without headphone jack.

 

[midluk]

Just tell me it has a mic input. Can live without headphone jack.

On nokishita (the original linked source) there are images of the sides with flap symbols for USB, remote trigger, mic and HDMI.
It also has an additional button that looks like WiFi on the right side.

 

[d]

The reviews suggest different
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-80d-review/7

"When tracking subjects at a distance, the 80D's Face+Tracking mode is much more easily confused than when tracking nearer subjects that appear larger in the frame. This is not too surprising, as larger objects are easier to detect. Fast moving subjects also give dual-pixel AF a hard time, as the system isn't particularly fast at tracking a subject around the frame. Performance also drops during bursts. In our example above, focus actually shifted backward as our rider approached, only catching up by shot #13, before losing our rider again."

Not a cash-for-comment, paid-for-by-Canon DPR review, so no surprise that DPR found some negatives to highlight.

 

[AE-1Burnham]

Just tell me it has a mic input. Can live without headphone jack.

On nokiS___a (the original linked source) there are images of the sides with flap symbols for USB, remote trigger, mic and HDMI.
It also has an additional button that looks like WiFi on the right side.

Thanks midluk!
Does it say "fullframe" anywhere?!? Hehe.
Wow. If this was fullframe I would pay -- hmmm -- 4K for it..?! 8)
-J

 

[d]

Errr....most people don't spend over £100 a month on sky, so for the majority it will be an expensive luxury. the vast majority of consumers aren't interested in 4K, this isn't like the rush to HD, which was more about moving from CRT TVs to flat screen.

+1

Don't see the big attraction to 4k for casual/amateur video requirements - shooting in HD is more than enough for my needs - would rather pay a few dollars less a camera without 4k.

 

[Sharlin]

Just tell me it has a mic input. Can live without headphone jack.

On nokiS___a (the original linked source) there are images of the sides with flap symbols for USB, remote trigger, mic and HDMI.
It also has an additional button that looks like WiFi on the right side.

It's for enabling/pairing bluetooth I think.