More Canon EOS M5 Images & Specifications

[asl]

hmm, comparing size/weight from rumored specs. As feared, it really is as bulky as an SL-1 and much higher than Sony A6300 due to that whale hump on top ...

Canon EOS M5 .............. 115.6 x 89.2 x 60.6 mm, 427g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS 100D/SL-1 ... 117 x 91 x 69 mm, 407g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M3 .............. 111 x 68 x 44 mm, 366g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M ................ 109 x 67 x 32 mm, 298g, crop 1.6x
Sony A6300 .................. 120 x 66.9 x 48.8 mm, 361g, crop 1.5x
Sony A7R II .................. 126.9 x 95.7 x 60.3 mm, 582g, FULL FRAME

While not really big, I still find it rather big for a crop sensor cam. Sony manages to fit a FF sensor into this body size. For my use - travel, always on, mpounatainmeering cam ... I was hoping for a more compact package, ideally with pop-up EVF (like e.g. Sony RX1R II).

Now let's see if Canon finally put a regular LP-E6N into the larger grip for decent juice, or whether it will again be just another model-specific, not-backwards compatible, puny, weak, dwarf, toy battery ... NB-xxL.

I expect that the M5 will "feel" much smaller that the SL1 even though the measurements seem similar. I thickness of the M5 includes the substantial grip and protruding EVF, whereas the SL1 is mainly due to the requirement of the mirror box. The actually volume of the SL1 would be a fair bit greater.

I think the M5 body is slightly thicker than the M3, based on what I can decipher from the size of hot hotshot, but overall pretty close. Also, the added depth of the grip (which looks to help ergonomics tremendously vs the original Ms), will not be a concern once you at a lens, even the pancake.

As the Sony's current A7 models, yes they are very compact given the sensor, but once you throw a lens on there, they get big fast (unless you stick to their 35mm f2.8 pancake).

I know this is not apples to apples, as the Sony is FF f4 constant, but check out this comparison with the UW zooms - Canon M vs SL1 vs A7Rii

http://camerasize.com/compact/#599.386,448.424,624.440,ha,t

The M definitely offers size advantages vs even the Canon crops.

If you can stick with just the pancakes for your travel camera, the the A7's are mighty tempting.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#599.349,448.439,624.394,ha,t

Agreed. The size and weight look great to me. Too small quickly becomes impossible-to-use except in full automatic.

yes, form factor/size and ergonomics/buttons is the aspect were you really can´t get it all. I think it looks great, but it is not small. But I see it more as it in some sense sum up the all canon crop line (dsls) in to one small camera and replace/rule them all

 

[Crosswind]

I cannot open the EOS 80D RAW files with LR5, so I guess the same would apply for EOS M5 RAW files. Do I have to pay for LR6?

You could download Adobe DNG Converter, and convert your raw files to .DNG. It is an extra step, but helps you get your files open, and it's free.

Thanks for your advice sir! I thought that I open the RAW files in Canon DPP first, make some minor adjustments (like +/- shadows and lights), then save as .TIFF and import into LR5 to further tweak them to my likings.

Btw. is there any quality difference between .cr2 and .dng files? Is it better to work with TIF or DNG files?

Edit: After some research, I found that .cr2 and .dng files both have "sidecar files", so I can always change them non-destructively. That would not be possible with .tif or .jpg because I loose that information.

(I know it all sounds a bit offtopic, but since there will be a lot of people (I guess) buying the new EOS M5, some of them might also encounter this kind of problem, so I thought it is worth asking over here.)

 

[AvTvM]

maybe i missed it in all the threads and postings: is anything known regarding M5 firmware/UI/layout ... powershot (like M3, M10) or "real EOS" (M, M2)?

 

[rrcphoto]

maybe i missed it in all the threads and postings: is anything known regarding M5 firmware/UI/layout ... powershot (like M3, M10) or "real EOS" (M, M2)?

the model # is a powershot not a digital stills camera.

 

[AvTvM]

maybe i missed it in all the threads and postings: is anything known regarding M5 firmware/UI/layout ... powershot (like M3, M10) or "real EOS" (M, M2)?

the model # is a powershot not a digital stills camera.

thanks for the info! and SIGH for the content! ;-)

so in essence we are looking at a G5X "on steroids" with 80D DPAF sensor and EF-M lens mount. all the way consumer ... from ugly outer humpback-whale appearance to inner workings/firmware ...

 

[9VIII]

I can agree that I wish this was a rangefinder style, but sales figures across the ILC market disagree with my preference.
We're just going to have to hope that Canon tries making a Rangefinder equivalent.

To be fair, the M and M10 are this... We just need more pancake primes ! #stuckrecord

Ironically, if the M5 doesn't have DPRAW and the M10 drops in price a bunch I might go for the M10.

The only problem is it doesn't have an EVF, and rear LCD's generally aren't great in daylight.
7fps does sound great and I reeeally want those dials, but if the M5 is 3x more money, that's still a big deal (in Canada the M10 can almost be had for $500 and if the M5 is $1,000 USD that's going to be a lot more in CAD).
Technically just adding wi-fi (or touchscreen controls) would solve most of the issues I have with a regular old Rebel (usually shooting Macro from a Tripod), but M5 looks like the complete package (and might do BIF, which ironically my 1100D is quite competent at).
Hopefully the M5 comes in under $1,000 (which it should if they're competing with the A6300).

 

[AvTvM]

Ironically, if the M5 doesn't have DPRAW and the M10 drops in price a bunch I might go for the M10.
The only problem is it doesn't have an EVF, so it's probably hard to use the rear LCD in daylight.
7fps does sound great though. Hopefully the M5 it comes in under $1,000 (which it should if they're competing with the A6300).

Don't think so, Canon MSRP was very high recently. My guess is
M5 kit with 15-45 kit USD 1.499 / USD 1699
Body only might be USD 1299 / € 1499 ... and in very short supply for a number of months

 

[Snzkgb]

Now this IS looking the thing I want as a backup for my 5d2 and everyday camera.
There are two questions I have:
1) How much it will cost
2) When it will start shipping

We are in the same camp

I love my 5d m2 and plan to keep working with it, but the m5 looks like it moght fit the bill to be an easy, carry around camera as backup or more relaxed shooting when out and about

get a 11-22 EF-M and the 18-150 EF-M and basically you have a 18-250mm lightweight APS-C ILC that is around 1kg in total travel weight.

Isn't 18-150 not announced yet?

 

[rs]

Ironically, if the M5 doesn't have DPRAW and the M10 drops in price a bunch I might go for the M10.

Do you mean DPAF?

 

[rrcphoto]

Ironically, if the M5 doesn't have DPRAW and the M10 drops in price a bunch I might go for the M10.
The only problem is it doesn't have an EVF, so it's probably hard to use the rear LCD in daylight.
7fps does sound great though. Hopefully the M5 it comes in under $1,000 (which it should if they're competing with the A6300).

Don't think so, my guess is USD 1.499 / USD 1699 ... incl. 15-45 kit. Body only might be USD 1299 / € 1499 ... and in very short supply for a number of months. or so. st**** Canon!

a first even for you .. calling canon stupid for your own imaginary MSRP...

 

[njene]

Ironically, if the M5 doesn't have DPRAW and the M10 drops in price a bunch I might go for the M10.
The only problem is it doesn't have an EVF, so it's probably hard to use the rear LCD in daylight.
7fps does sound great though. Hopefully the M5 it comes in under $1,000 (which it should if they're competing with the A6300).

Don't think so, my guess is USD 1.499 / USD 1699 ... incl. 15-45 kit. Body only might be USD 1299 / € 1499 ... and in very short supply for a number of months. or so. st**** Canon!

a first even for you .. calling canon stupid for your own imaginary MSRP...

Can ya smell the birn?

 

[pokerz]

hmm, comparing size/weight from rumored specs. As feared, it really is as bulky as an SL-1 and much higher than Sony A6300 due to that whale hump on top ...

Canon EOS M5 .............. 115.6 x 89.2 x 60.6 mm, 427g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS 100D/SL-1 ... 117 x 91 x 69 mm, 407g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M3 .............. 111 x 68 x 44 mm, 366g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M ................ 109 x 67 x 32 mm, 298g, crop 1.6x
Sony A6300 .................. 120 x 66.9 x 48.8 mm, 361g, crop 1.5x
Sony A7R II .................. 126.9 x 95.7 x 60.3 mm, 582g, FULL FRAME

While not really big, I still find it rather big for a crop sensor cam. Sony manages to fit a FF sensor into this body size. For my use - travel, always on, mpounatainmeering cam ... I was hoping for a more compact package, ideally with pop-up EVF (like e.g. Sony RX1R II).

Now let's see if Canon finally put a regular LP-E6N into the larger grip for decent juice, or whether it will again be just another model-specific, not-backwards compatible, puny, weak, dwarf, toy battery ... NB-xxL.

Without Mirrorbox, weather sealing, how come m5 is so heavy and bulky ?

 

[crashpc]

Ironically, if the M5 doesn't have DPRAW and the M10 drops in price a bunch I might go for the M10.
The only problem is it doesn't have an EVF, so it's probably hard to use the rear LCD in daylight.
7fps does sound great though. Hopefully the M5 it comes in under $1,000 (which it should if they're competing with the A6300).

Don't think so, my guess is USD 1.499 / USD 1699 ... incl. 15-45 kit. Body only might be USD 1299 / € 1499 ... and in very short supply for a number of months. or so. st**** Canon!

a first even for you .. calling canon stupid for your own imaginary MSRP...

No way it would sit right next to 6D price wise....

 

[Rocky]

maybe i missed it in all the threads and postings: is anything known regarding M5 firmware/UI/layout ... powershot (like M3, M10) or "real EOS" (M, M2)?

the model # is a powershot not a digital stills camera.

The model # is EOS M5, Where is the Powershot coming from???

 

[lw]

maybe i missed it in all the threads and postings: is anything known regarding M5 firmware/UI/layout ... powershot (like M3, M10) or "real EOS" (M, M2)?

the model # is a powershot not a digital stills camera.

The model # is EOS M5, Where is the Powershot coming from???

The model number - PC2258.
It may have an EOS "brand", but under the skin, its a PowerShot.
Think of EOS M5 as the product name, whilst PC2258 is the model number.

The M3 and M10 were produced by the PowerShot 'division' and responsibility given to them. Hence the change in OS/UI from the EOS-based M/M2 to the PowerShot OS/UI.
And the model numbers became PowerShot ones, not EOS.

The M5 has a PowerShot model number, not an EOS one.
All PowerShots are PCnnnn, whilst all EOS are DSnnnnnn.

See this list of Product Names alongside Model Numbers
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://nokiS___a-camera.blogspot.be/p/blog-page_3.html&usg=ALkJrhhKX1Q5YQYIDq9TtzOD__2lsg-wRA#canon

(substitute the missing 'hit' that the swear filter removed from nokis...a)

 

[crashpc]

lw: arrrrggh not happy to see that one. Hope the powershot gets serious upgrade in its SW.

 

[justmy2cents]

lw: arrrrggh not happy to see that one. Hope the powershot gets serious upgrade in its SW.

I hope so to. It's time to overhaul the UI to make better use of the touchscreen and get rid of all those dials and buttons the DSLRs have.

 

[rs]

lw: arrrrggh not happy to see that one. Hope the powershot gets serious upgrade in its SW.

I hope so to. It's time to overhaul the UI to make better use of the touchscreen and get rid of all those dials and buttons the DSLRs have.

It depends upon who the camera is aimed at.

Aim it at the enthusiast market, you'll find people want real dials and buttons that they can use intuitively, allowing them to change most major settings even with the camera up to their eye.

Aim it at typical smartphone users, and the touchscreen alone is almost all that's wanted. Canon have already done that with the M and M2, and the M10 is now catering for that market (albeit with Powershot firmware).

 

[ashmadux]

PS ... Canon should still fire whoever is responsible for withholding a fully-articulated LCD from this camera.

+1000!!! Cmon canon!

I'll take some flak and disagree.

The tilty has two things going for it:

1. Speed of use for an angled shot - very common shooting scenario for me
2. Size

I've used a fully articulating and I agree with the tilty decision. It's better at what I use it for. The fully articulating takes more time to tuck in and take out; you can easily miss a shot in that timeframe in the same way you can miss a shot due to Hybrid CMOS AF III being sluggish.

I never use the selfie function anyways, makes for lackluster self candids. An ultrawide shooting blind is a better option in my experience.

Edit: Just occurred to me, that tilty is very intentional; touch AF while in EVF mode. Clever. You can't do that on a fully articulating.

Suddenly I think it's not just a good idea for me, it's innovative frankly, like someone else shoulda done it sooner iPhone status. This makes a lot of sense why they have an on/off button. The EVF is no longer proximity detection for turning off the LCD touch, LCD touch stays on, you tilt it, and look down from your EVF to select AF target. Very smart.

There is not a single way this is better than a tilty screen, but ill have whatever you are smoking buddy : ??? 8)

Seriously...not even close

 

[ashmadux]

liveview DPAF in 80D= cipa 300
what will you expect from Eosm5 ? 8)

M3 is 250.
I expect the M5 might be about the same. Will it use the same M3 battery?

None of the M batteries are that good at all. I have 3 opteka's for me M1 that runs circles around the pathetic canon battery.

I bet you they keep the charges small so that you can buy 2-3 of them, betting them 100 + profit. 200 shots...thats a POS.