More Canon EOS M5 Images & Specifications

[tcmatthews]

As a former EOS M and Sony Nex6 owner I am trying to find some reason to like this camera. First it looks like they have finally added everything I wanted in the original EOS M. I wish is was smaller and more of a Sony Nex6 rangefinder styled body with EVF. I do not think I would get it over a Sony A6300. If it was released when the EOS M was I would have been very excited not now.

I just do not see anything to be excited about. I think it will be a good camera but I have moved on. I have been finding it hard to get excited by APSC at all. My Sony A7II is great. When I want small I just use my OMD EM1.

I might pick one up in fire sale. But I do not know if that will happen this time.

 

[Josh Denver]

PS ... Canon should still fire whoever is responsible for withholding a fully-articulated LCD from this camera.

+1000!!! Cmon canon!

I'll take some flak and disagree.

The tilty has two things going for it:

1. Speed of use for an angled shot - very common shooting scenario for me
2. Size

I've used a fully articulating and I agree with the tilty decision. It's better at what I use it for. The fully articulating takes more time to tuck in and take out; you can easily miss a shot in that timeframe in the same way you can miss a shot due to Hybrid CMOS AF III being sluggish.

I never use the selfie function anyways, makes for lackluster self candids. An ultrawide shooting blind is a better option in my experience.

Edit: Just occurred to me, that tilty is very intentional; touch AF while in EVF mode. Clever. You can't do that on a fully articulating.

Suddenly I think it's not just a good idea for me, it's innovative frankly, like someone else shoulda done it sooner iPhone status. This makes a lot of sense why they have an on/off button. The EVF is no longer proximity detection for turning off the LCD touch, LCD touch stays on, you tilt it, and look down from your EVF to select AF target. Very smart.

There is not a single way this is better than a tilty screen, but ill have whatever you are smoking buddy : ??? 8)

Seriously...not even close

Nothing's ever just ''better''!

Designers choose the ''only-tilt'' screen design instead of the side hinge swivle screen for a reason.

1- Size

Flip out the swivle screen and look at how big of a monster camera you're holding in terms of physical space.

A7 designers commented that the tilt design on the A7 series was to decrease the size of the camera usability.

2 -Robustness.

The side hinge is FAR weaker than the two or large connector arm of the Tilt screen.

These are the benefits of the the Tilt only.

Benefits of swivle is

3 -Seeing the image ANY angle including side and selfie.

 

[Crosswind]

Any guess what shutter life expectancy the EOS M5 might have?

Somewhere I read: "Canon EOS M3 Mirrorless shutter life ~ 100,000 (probably will go over 150k because of the vibration compensation mechanism)."

That's the same statistical number as the Canon EOS 6D and 70D (rated ~ 100,000). So the M5 might live (statistically seen) much longer due to less moving parts and the vibration compensation mechanism.

But there's the fact that mirrorless will always have a Live View active and a DSLR does not, so it is constantly heating up the sensor. Is this a reason to believe that mirrorless might still be less durable than DSLRs in the long run?

 

[Rocky]

Any guess what shutter life expectancy the EOS M5 might have?

Somewhere I read: "Canon EOS M3 Mirrorless shutter life ~ 100,000 (probably will go over 150k because of the vibration compensation mechanism)."

That's the same statistical number as the Canon EOS 6D and 70D (rated ~ 100,000). So the M5 might live (statistically seen) much longer due to less moving parts and the vibration compensation mechanism.

But there's the fact that mirrorless will always have a Live View active and a DSLR does not, so it is constantly heating up the sensor. Is this a reason to believe that mirrorless might still be less durable than DSLRs in the long run?

Based on my own experience with the 40D and the 20D, Shutter and mirror mechanism is my least concern. The shutter release button, the AF accuracy and repeatabilty are the first to fail.

 

[hubie]

hmm, comparing size/weight from rumored specs. As feared, it really is as bulky as an SL-1 and much higher than Sony A6300 due to that whale hump on top ...

Canon EOS M5 .............. 115.6 x 89.2 x 60.6 mm, 427g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS 100D/SL-1 ... 117 x 91 x 69 mm, 407g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M3 .............. 111 x 68 x 44 mm, 366g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M ................ 109 x 67 x 32 mm, 298g, crop 1.6x
Sony A6300 .................. 120 x 66.9 x 48.8 mm, 361g, crop 1.5x
Sony A7R II .................. 126.9 x 95.7 x 60.3 mm, 582g, FULL FRAME

While not really big, I still find it rather big for a crop sensor cam. Sony manages to fit a FF sensor into this body size. For my use - travel, always on, mpounatainmeering cam ... I was hoping for a more compact package, ideally with pop-up EVF (like e.g. Sony RX1R II).

Now let's see if Canon finally put a regular LP-E6N into the larger grip for decent juice, or whether it will again be just another model-specific, not-backwards compatible, puny, weak, dwarf, toy battery ... NB-xxL.

Well, 60g between the a6300 and the canon is not a world. Let's see how they compare side by side, also featurewise. Else, a 550g full frame camera also has it's downside. E.g. the weight distribution and the grip when equipped with large professional lenses.

 

[rrcphoto]

hmm, comparing size/weight from rumored specs. As feared, it really is as bulky as an SL-1 and much higher than Sony A6300 due to that whale hump on top ...

Canon EOS M5 .............. 115.6 x 89.2 x 60.6 mm, 427g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS 100D/SL-1 ... 117 x 91 x 69 mm, 407g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M3 .............. 111 x 68 x 44 mm, 366g, crop 1.6x
Canon EOS M ................ 109 x 67 x 32 mm, 298g, crop 1.6x
Sony A6300 .................. 120 x 66.9 x 48.8 mm, 361g, crop 1.5x
Sony A7R II .................. 126.9 x 95.7 x 60.3 mm, 582g, FULL FRAME

While not really big, I still find it rather big for a crop sensor cam. Sony manages to fit a FF sensor into this body size. For my use - travel, always on, mpounatainmeering cam ... I was hoping for a more compact package, ideally with pop-up EVF (like e.g. Sony RX1R II).

Now let's see if Canon finally put a regular LP-E6N into the larger grip for decent juice, or whether it will again be just another model-specific, not-backwards compatible, puny, weak, dwarf, toy battery ... NB-xxL.

Well, 60g between the a6300 and the canon is not a world. Let's see how they compare side by side, also featurewise. Else, a 550g full frame camera also has it's downside. E.g. the weight distribution and the grip when equipped with large professional lenses.

well i'll trade 60g for a real grip and less cramped ergonomics.

 

[Quackator]

Canon seriously missed their objectives.

They announced that they wanted to reach sales rank #2 in MILC
during Q3/Q4 2016. Looks like they miserably failed and missed by
landing on #1.....

Preordered!

 

[HaroldC3]

Canon seriously missed their objectives.

They announced that they wanted to reach sales rank #2 in MILC
during Q3/Q4 2016. Looks like they miserably failed and missed by
landing on #1.....

Preordered!

How can you pre-order something when it hasn't been announced and you have no idea what the price is? You writing Canon a blank check?

 

[whatta]

I have stuck with and suffered with the original m once they offered it on fire sale at 299. As long as these specs remain I will be ordering as soon as I am able, price will not be holding me back. I am glad my issues are finally being addressed and can't wait to invest in new lenses for the camera as well.

a bit similar here. I have been very disappointed with canon for many years (550d was probably the last relatively good rebel and 80d seems to be the first catch up in sensor tech). I hated that if I wanted to step up from rebel, I needed to buy something bigger and heavier. Therefore also never wanted full frame.

I was considering the sony a6300, but then realized sony focuses on full frame since there is no competition there, so does not develop apsc lenses anymore. Then I moved my interest on fuji which has super apsc lens lineup and xt2 looks great BUT it would cost me thousands of euros to jump.

therefore this looks interesting because I can keep using my lenses and wait for (good/better) native ef-m lenses (hopefully cannon will not assume that mirrorless users don't want good glass, or they should buy ff glass).

btw does it have gps?

 

[whatta]

This has to be the most positive response to a new Canon camera I've seen in all my time here.

true 8)

 

[Hector1970]

Just before this announcement I unfortunately (or maybe fortunately we'll see) went for an Olympus mirror less camera. I wanted something compact for travel and to have with me in the car at all times.
I wasn't convinced of Canons commitment to mirror less. The didn't show ambition in this area.
I considered cancelling my order when this news broke but Ice stuck with my decision.
Why - Funny reasoning maybe but Olympus and Panasonic gave a number of very good small and fast prime lens for the 4/3 system.
Maybe Canon will some day achieve the same but it will take some time (if they are really committed). Yes you can buy an adapter but I'm looking for a smallish and lightish kit.
Time will tell if I've made a mistake but I don't think I have.
I'm not expecting brilliant quality. Good quality will do me. It's more about the flexibility to take good photographs and not be so concerned about ultimate image quality/ pixel peeping. I think some of the functions being added to cameras are bordering on superfluous.

 

[Crosswind]

This is one important question for me: I do have ~ -3,5 diopters, so looking through the EVF on the M5 would require me to adjust the diopter setting wheel nearby the EVF, but I have a fear that it wont fully compensate for my bad vision so I either have to always wear glasses to make use of the EVF, or use something like a dioptric lens to put in front of the EVF. Is there anything like that to buy, or do I have to come up with a DIY solution?

(The native diopter correction of the 6D does not fully compensate for my bad vision, so I do have a -4 dioptric lens for its OVF, which works great. I hope that there will be something for the M5 too.)

Edit: I thought about somehow glueing a smaller dioptric lens in front of or inside the EVF of the M5, if I had to. But I'm not sure if that'd work and how it'd look.

 

[Josh Denver]

Any guess what shutter life expectancy the EOS M5 might have?

Somewhere I read: "Canon EOS M3 Mirrorless shutter life ~ 100,000 (probably will go over 150k because of the vibration compensation mechanism)."

That's the same statistical number as the Canon EOS 6D and 70D (rated ~ 100,000). So the M5 might live (statistically seen) much longer due to less moving parts and the vibration compensation mechanism.

But there's the fact that mirrorless will always have a Live View active and a DSLR does not, so it is constantly heating up the sensor. Is this a reason to believe that mirrorless might still be less durable than DSLRs in the long run?

Based on my own experience with the 40D and the 20D, Shutter and mirror mechanism is my least concern. The shutter release button, the AF accuracy and repeatabilty are the first to fail.

True. I have 110.000+ shutter accuations on my Canon 2011 1100D/T3 (Canon's weakest and most plastic DSLR ever made). And it's working like a charm both AF and Shutter. Cannot tell it apart from a new one.

Don't worry about shutters. When they fail on cheap cameras it's time to upgrade anyway, and when they fail on high end cameras they sre easily replaced.

 

[whatta]

Any guess what shutter life expectancy the EOS M5 might have?

Somewhere I read: "Canon EOS M3 Mirrorless shutter life ~ 100,000 (probably will go over 150k because of the vibration compensation mechanism)."

That's the same statistical number as the Canon EOS 6D and 70D (rated ~ 100,000). So the M5 might live (statistically seen) much longer due to less moving parts and the vibration compensation mechanism.

But there's the fact that mirrorless will always have a Live View active and a DSLR does not, so it is constantly heating up the sensor. Is this a reason to believe that mirrorless might still be less durable than DSLRs in the long run?

Based on my own experience with the 40D and the 20D, Shutter and mirror mechanism is my least concern. The shutter release button, the AF accuracy and repeatabilty are the first to fail.

True. I have 110.000+ shutter accuations on my Canon 2011 1100D/T3 (Canon's weakest and most plastic DSLR ever made). And it's working like a charm both AF and Shutter. Cannot tell it apart from a new one.

Don't worry about shutters. When they fail on cheap cameras it's time to upgrade anyway, and when they fail on high end cameras they sre easily replaced.

I donno where I am in terms of total pictures taken, but my 400d works without issue after so many years, including some trips to deserts where sand and dust are serious issue..

 

[whatta]

in any case, Photokina will be a good occasion to play around with Sony A6300, Fuji XT2 and Canon M5 (which I am interested in currently).

 

[nads]

Just before this announcement I unfortunately (or maybe fortunately we'll see) went for an Olympus mirror less camera. I wanted something compact for travel and to have with me in the car at all times.
I wasn't convinced of Canons commitment to mirror less. The didn't show ambition in this area.
I considered cancelling my order when this news broke but Ice stuck with my decision.
Why - Funny reasoning maybe but Olympus and Panasonic gave a number of very good small and fast prime lens for the 4/3 system.
Maybe Canon will some day achieve the same but it will take some time (if they are really committed). Yes you can buy an adapter but I'm looking for a smallish and lightish kit.
Time will tell if I've made a mistake but I don't think I have.
I'm not expecting brilliant quality. Good quality will do me. It's more about the flexibility to take good photographs and not be so concerned about ultimate image quality/ pixel peeping. I think some of the functions being added to cameras are bordering on superfluous.

I tried that twice. First with an early PEN and 2nd with the E-M10. Hated them both. Image quality didn't blow me away and AF Accuracy SUCKED! Say what you will about the original EOS-M's slow AF... sure it was slow as heck. But when that thing locked in focus in face detect mode it nailed it reliably. The E-M10 was lightning quick and responsive as heck... super efficient at catching images that weren't quite in focus. Took a bath twice selling those things!

The smallish, lightweight kit is another gripe for me. The 11-22 is a favorite for me, especially when traveling. With micro four thirds I had to go bigger to get the 7-14 and spend a lot more.

 

[nads]

I expect that the M5 will "feel" much smaller that the SL1 even though the measurements seem similar. I thickness of the M5 includes the substantial grip and protruding EVF, whereas the SL1 is mainly due to the requirement of the mirror box. The actually volume of the SL1 would be a fair bit greater.

I think the M5 body is slightly thicker than the M3, based on what I can decipher from the size of hot hotshot, but overall pretty close. Also, the added depth of the grip (which looks to help ergonomics tremendously vs the original Ms), will not be a concern once you at a lens, even the pancake.

I agree with you on the increasing size. I jumped in on the original EOS-M as the "I'll take it everywhere" camera. It worked wonders... the camera with me was collecting shots I was never getting with my 7D and lenses. It still works with the M3, just not as well. M5 is going to be bigger and more to handle everywhere.

I'm getting the M5. (I sold my 7D and my collection of L lenses... just kept the 85mm 1.8 to use on adaptor).

I'm wondering if Canon doesn't eventually make a two path platform. Larger EOS-M5 type with fuller featuers and smaller EOS-M10 type focusing on compact size. I wouldn't completely hate having a smaller body backup/complement. Right now my EOS-M is my backup.

I don't take issue so much with the grip - IF (!) Canon made it bigger to accomodate a real battery [LP-E6N, 11+ Whrs] instead of a yet another whimpy toy battery. I am more bothered with the hump on top.

My "dream form factor" definitely is the Sony RX1R II ... would have relly loved to get a Canon M5 in that type of form factor with corner pop-up EVF, even with a crop sensor inside, not FF ... I am fully aware of FF lens size, weight and cost. Unfortunately that Sony costs an arm and a leg and more importantly, it's lens is bolted on. If Sony would make the RX1R II with an FE mount up front, I would likely get it.

My EOS M with 18-55 or 22/2 comes with me in a small LoePro Dashpoint 30 bag mounted on the left side strap of my backpack, so I have immediate access to it all the time, even when climbing. If deired, I put another, smaller LowePro Dashpoint 20 on the other side backpack strap - it holds 55-200 perfectly. Or 11-22, so I got fully access to camera and 2 or 3 lenses. Also on city trips / vacations etc.

With M5 this will not be possible - too bulky and on the heavy side too. Which means, it will go into the backpack, I will carry it along all the time, but hardly take any pictures ... might as well take my 5D3 + 24-70 II along ... which I don't .. too bulky and too heavy. See the dilemma? All I want is a very compact M with built-in EVF and good performance, including AF and fully competitive IQ.

 

[rrcphoto]

Images of the 18-150mm

appears shorter than the 55-200 (edit nope, same size)

I actually liked the size of the 55-200 EF-M on the M3 .. so I'm thinking this just may be a great walkaround. combine this and the 11-22 and you have a pretty mighty little travel package.

 

[pokerz]

Images of the 18-150mm

appears shorter than the 55-200 (edit nope, same size)

I actually liked the size of the 55-200 EF-M on the M3 .. so I'm thinking this just may be a great walkaround. combine this and the 11-22 and you have a pretty mighty little travel package.

Any Zoom lock?
Is it weather sealed?

 

[rrcphoto]

Images of the 18-150mm

appears shorter than the 55-200 (edit nope, same size)

I actually liked the size of the 55-200 EF-M on the M3 .. so I'm thinking this just may be a great walkaround. combine this and the 11-22 and you have a pretty mighty little travel package.

Any Zoom lock?
Is it weather sealed?

a) no EF-M lens has needed it .. so doubtful
b) no EF-M lens is over 260g and $399 .. draw your own conclusions