...which is how it actually works with airliners.fullstop said:Kit. said:Well, that's a good reason for a manufacturer to not provide such misleadingly "precise" indicator to you.
well, I'd like to hear what a(ny) pilot would say, if a brand new 2018 aircraft came equipped with a "remaining-fuel-in-tanks-indicator" with "4 stages" [small Canon plane] or a more luxurious "6-stage" version [only in Canon top level airliners]. ;D
Would you want to board that plane if the guy goes ... "no problem, I'll wing it [pun intended]. We fill'er up pretty good in LAX and so far we have always made it to JFK. And if the indicator really drops to 1 blob, I'll simply land in between for a quick re-fuel stop. Don't you worry, boy!"
Cthulhu said:Again you with your silly arguments that if Canon does not do something, it must be because of some highly thought out process...that is specially ridiculous when referring to a company with a loooong history of not giving customers basic simple functions that it's competitors offer all the time. Give yourself a break, it must be exhausting to always have to defend silly stuff. I see my 1dx mk2 as very much a precision instrument, why argue against it being more precise? Canon is extremely slow to improve and hardly listens to feedback from it's customers - save for industry wide outrage like with the 5dmk 4 clog, which is more listening to retailers than it's own customers.
Here's the one scenario where a % indicator would be very useful to me: action shots. Be it sports or wildlife, when you can't control the action, knowing whether you have 10% or 1% can mean the difference btw getting that special moment or missing it because you were swapping batteries that could have gotten you through. There are obvious practical arguments for a percentage indicator, none for it's absence.
snappy604 said:To most people it's a useful indicator if we should swap out batteries soon or not. Do I care if it's at 6% vs 5% vs 10%? nope.. i've swapped out before then. I can't recall ever worrying about this as I always have spares.
neuroanatomist said:snappy604 said:To most people it's a useful indicator if we should swap out batteries soon or not. Do I care if it's at 6% vs 5% vs 10%? nope.. i've swapped out before then. I can't recall ever worrying about this as I always have spares.
+1
Some people like to burn the last fumes of gasoline in their tank then coast into the gas station for a fill up. I suppose some people think that’s brave or ‘gutsy’, personally I think it’s just foolish.
fullstop said:Kit. said:Well, that's a good reason for a manufacturer to not provide such misleadingly "precise" indicator to you.
well, I'd like to hear what a(ny) pilot would say, if a brand new 2018 aircraft came equipped with a "remaining-fuel-in-tanks-indicator" with "4 stages" [small Canon plane] or a more luxurious "6-stage" version [only in Canon top level airliners]. ;D
Would you want to board that plane if the guy goes ... "no problem, I'll wing it [pun intended]. We fill'er up pretty good in LAX and so far we have always made it to JFK. And if the indicator really drops to 1 blob, I'll simply land in between for a quick re-fuel stop. Don't you worry, boy!"
But ofc your mileage may vary (pun intended). ;D
fullstop said:The pretty girl married me. True story. LOL
Mikehit said:fullstop said:The pretty girl married me. True story. LOL
Does she come with a 'nearly full' meter when taking her out for a meal?
Or a 'need hugs' meter when you have been spending time on photo forums(s) and not paying her enough attention? I presume that comes in the form of raised eyebrows....
Talys said:Here you go... battery meter at its finest.
fullstop said:Mikehit said:fullstop said:The pretty girl married me. True story. LOL
Does she come with a 'nearly full' meter when taking her out for a meal?
Or a 'need hugs' meter when you have been spending time on photo forums(s) and not paying her enough attention? I presume that comes in the form of raised eyebrows....
oh well, sometimes she definitely is 100% pissed off with me.
Talys said:fullstop said:Mikehit said:fullstop said:The pretty girl married me. True story. LOL
Does she come with a 'nearly full' meter when taking her out for a meal?
Or a 'need hugs' meter when you have been spending time on photo forums(s) and not paying her enough attention? I presume that comes in the form of raised eyebrows....
oh well, sometimes she definitely is 100% pissed off with me.
The accuracy of the gauge is critical, though, because it is an exponential, not linear, curve. The first 40% is consumed pretty slowly, but the last 60% you can zoom right through.
Hey, kind of like the fuel gauge on my 90s Corvette. That thing used to go from one third to empty like a falcon in a dive.
Time taken to reach each end of capacity is infinite as both are exponential functions so yes there are no such things are fully charged/discharged capacitors/cells.Cthulhu said:fullstop said:Speaking of battery gauge accuracy. Just made a truly shocking discovery! Maybe there is no "100% charged state" at all! At least not in Fujifilm cameras, according to their official info on the subject [XT-2 manual http://fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t2_v21/first_step/battery_level/index.html.
FULL BARS = "Battery partially discharged". ;D
Maybe their legal department nerfed the manual! ;D ;D ;D
That's because there's no such thing as a fully charged battery, they all begin discharge the moment you take it out of the charger - but you know that seeing as you're an electrical engineer, no?
neuroanatomist said:sanj said:Mind numbing to see people not preferring a precise battery status bar.
What’s mind-numbing is the thinking that because you want a % charge readout or a ‘precise’ batttery bar, everyone should have that same desire. I don’t think anyone is saying those would be undesirable, but it’s like wanting more DR – even if no one would say no to it, for many there’s just no meaningful benefit.
I always have a charged spare battery. If the indicator drops to less than ‘full’ (e.g., one bar down, meaning ~50% charge left), I swap in the charged battery and recharge the one from the camera. Whether the information is graphical or numerical doesn’t matter, and won’t change my behavior.
Moreover, as was pointed out above, the higher end bodies/batteries do permit a % charge readout. If that % can be displayed via menu commands, it can also be displayed on a shooting display – in the VF, on a top LCD, or on the main LCD during shooting operations (although the first two may require a hardware change), and it could be displayed in addition to or instead of the graphical ‘bar’ display. So, why hasn’t Canon implemented that? I sincerely doubt it’s because they can’t spare the programming resources to do so. It’s also highly unlikely they haven’t thought of it...after all, probably every engineer/designer/marketer/etc. has a smartphone with the capability to display a numerical % charge for the battery. If it’s not inability or ignorance, it must be an intentional decision. It’s also highly unlikely that that it’s because ‘marketing’ has decided to ‘nerf’ the cameras...far more likely, it is a design/UI decision to keep the interface uncluttered, providing a quick but unobtrusive way for users to access the information at a level of detail that’s relevant and sufficient.
sanj said:Hahahahah. NO. There are many a times when we run low on battery and while other battery is being charged and we need to know how far we can push it. Happens often while shooting video.
Knowing how far you can push it depends not on the precision of the charge measurement, but on it’s accuracy. If you have a % charge indicator, and it shows 10% remaining with an accuracy of ±10%, your battery could die at any time. Here’s a tip: if you often find yourself running low on one battery while the other battery is being charged, you need a third battery. Similarly, if you can exhaust a battery in less time than it takes to charge a battery, add a second charger.
Some people prefer to implement simple, logical, feasible solutions to problems. Other people prefer to blame the manufacturer and continue to suffer. If being in the latter group works for you, that’s your choice.
sanj said:I never mentioned % indicator. You ASSumed that. I just mentioned precise battery read out. And if people like you are ok with inaccurate meters, good for you. I would find it beneficial to have a proper meter.
neuroanatomist said:sanj said:I never mentioned % indicator. You ASSumed that. I just mentioned precise battery read out. And if people like you are ok with inaccurate meters, good for you. I would find it beneficial to have a proper meter.
I never mentioned being ok with an innacurate meter. You ASSumed that. What I said was a more precise battery indicatior would not change my behavior wrt changing out batteries.
The current meter display is perfectly proper. It displays an approximate charge level and warns of impending need to change the battery. You may not like it, and may want something different, but that's your problem.
neuroanatomist said:sanj said:I never mentioned % indicator. You ASSumed that. I just mentioned precise battery read out. And if people like you are ok with inaccurate meters, good for you. I would find it beneficial to have a proper meter.
I never mentioned being ok with an innacurate meter. You ASSumed that. What I said was a more precise battery indicatior would not change my behavior wrt changing out batteries.
The current meter display is perfectly proper. It displays an approximate charge level and warns of impending need to change the battery. You may not like it, and may want something different, but that's your problem.
sanj said:neuroanatomist said:sanj said:I never mentioned % indicator. You ASSumed that. I just mentioned precise battery read out. And if people like you are ok with inaccurate meters, good for you. I would find it beneficial to have a proper meter.
I never mentioned being ok with an innacurate meter. You ASSumed that. What I said was a more precise battery indicatior would not change my behavior wrt changing out batteries.
The current meter display is perfectly proper. It displays an approximate charge level and warns of impending need to change the battery. You may not like it, and may want something different, but that's your problem.
"because you want a % charge readout or a ‘precise’ batttery bar, everyone should have that same desire. I don’t think anyone is saying those would be undesirable, but it’s like wanting more DR – even if no one would say no to it, for many there’s just no meaningful benefit. " lol
crashpc said:Once customers are unhappy, it should be solved.