Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

When I bought my original 6D, there were many shots that I could not satisfactorily get on FF compared to crop. So I bought a new crop as well. The versatility of having both was a big plus, in my opinion. I know the FF is always better crowd will jump up and down in disagreement, but it depends a lot on what you shoot.

FF sensors will always deliver better IQ than crop sensors, period.

Yes, they do. No argument there. Of course, I made no mention of IQ. But I guess some people just have to be argumentative - even if they don't read or understand what is written by the other person!

I don't believe this is always the truth.... If you are not reach limited (you can zoom by lens or by foot) then you can get the FF and crop images framed the same and (assuming similar technology levels) the FF camera wins for image quality.

If you are dealing with an old FF camera and a new crop camera, depending on the models involved, the crop may have better high ISO performance.... for example, my 5D2 and 7D2 are similar in poor light.

If you are reach limited (assuming similar technology levels), the crop (usually) gives you more pixels on the target, but the pixels of the FF are of better quality. Which one is better depends on what you are trying to do. For example, when trying to do inventory verification of objects mounted on a 9M dish, you care more about reading the serial number than how nice the picture is.... and if you can do it with a camera from the ground instead of going to get the genie-lift and driving it 3K to the dish, and then back, at 5Kph........

So yes, USUALLY the FF camera is better, but under certain conditions, not always....

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

What I dont get about omitting 4K is that they are putting a tilty-flippy screen on this thing. A tilty-flippy screen is in my opinion, a very video centric feature. I know that it is also handy for stills, but just about every dedicated videocamera, that comes with a screen, comes with on that can be tiltet and flipped. This is not so much the standerd for stills cameras, at least not for high ones.

The tilty-flippy screen combined with, Dual pixel autofocus and 4K would have been great.

one of the reasons the 80d was great for video was the tilty-flippy screen.

If canon is really omitting features to push customers towarts higher end models, I guess it is working. I will properly be buying a 5d Mark 4 instead, in order to get 4K video

I wonder if the lack of 4K comes down to not having dual digic processors.....

 

[wildwalker]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I am genuinely upset about the fact that it only has a single card slot. Nikon has it from the D7000 up and Canon even put it in the 7d2. Seems so stupid that they would omit it from a camera that is higher end than the 7d2!

6D is higher end than then 7D2? If you say so....

Lets see, xxxx is lowest range, then xxx, then xx then x. Now 5 is higher range that 6, 6 is higher range than 7.

1 is the highest of them all.

So yes, 6 is a higher model range than 7. The clue was in the numbering system!!!

sure if you ignore common sense, that the 7D Mark II is basically a baby 1DX, and the 6D is a full frame version of pretty much the 77D.

the 7D Mark II counterpart in full frame is the 5D Mark IV
the 6D counterpart is somewhere less than the 80D

but yeah, consider it a higher tier.. :

Its all in the numbers, don't overthink it.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I am genuinely upset about the fact that it only has a single card slot. Nikon has it from the D7000 up and Canon even put it in the 7d2. Seems so stupid that they would omit it from a camera that is higher end than the 7d2!

6D is higher end than then 7D2? If you say so....

Lets see, xxxx is lowest range, then xxx, then xx then x. Now 5 is higher range that 6, 6 is higher range than 7.

1 is the highest of them all.

So yes, 6 is a higher model range than 7. The clue was in the numbering system!!!

sure if you ignore common sense, that the 7D Mark II is basically a baby 1DX, and the 6D is a full frame version of pretty much the 77D.

the 7D Mark II counterpart in full frame is the 5D Mark IV
the 6D counterpart is somewhere less than the 80D

but yeah, consider it a higher tier.. :

The 6d came our before the 7d2 I believe. Before hat even the 5d2 only had 1 slot. Considering that he 6d2 is more expensive than the 7d2. There is not logical reason that canon shouldn't put in 2 slots. They are gimping a product to sell more 5d4s

it's a full frame camera and not a crop camera. of course it's going to be more expensive.

they probably don't care at all if you purchase a 6D versus a 5D Mark IV, the gimping and cripping idiotic comments are just that.

the A7R II was 3500 at launch, it didn't have dual slots. since when is cost a factor?

 

[TedBedlam]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

As someone looking to convert to Canon - a dirth of customer service horror stories is one big reason after dealing with multiple issues on the Panasonic front over the past decade - I have had money in the bank for nearly 2 years waiting for a model that meets my needs. In spite of the lack of 4k (and a good 30% of my work is video) I think this body hits a lot of marks for my stills and allows me to work as a second shooter for the canon loyalists in the wedding field that will accept no other gear. A lot of complaints seem to be emerging about pricing when compared to comparable bodies from other brands, but considering the competition's notoriety for poor service (I've gleaned a lot of complaints from Sony and Nikon users though I don't own any myself), is an extra couple hundred bucks really all that terrible? Or maybe accounts have been exaggerated by those who have received poor after-purchase interactions with their various providers? After losing several gigs worth of work due to the repair facilities at Panasonic, I'm a little paranoid.

On a different note, the lack of 4k might be somewhat ameliorated among the video crowd if there is either 1) an excellent codec with 4:2:2 10 bit color space or 2) in-body sensor stabilization that works in tandem with canon lenses. I'm a pretty slow student when it comes to deciphering these early specs and would be interested what the likelihood is that these features might show up at the end of the month.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Which camera would you guys recommend, Canon 5D Mark IV, Wait For 6D Mark II, Sony A7Rii For Fashion, Street, Product Photography?

All will do the job. You will for certain have better after sales service at Canon.
I would go with 5d4.

The 5Ds is worth considering, too.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Holy crap are you kidding me? I haven't been following Canon, but dang, that's fracking horrible. The D750 with the 24-120 F4, 51-pt AF, same or better DR/ISO, from 2014 is $2k. At what point does Canon start competing with Sony, Nikon, Fuji, etc. and stop competing with themselves?

It's unfair to compare the street price of a 3 year old camera to the launch RRP of a brand new one, but you knew that already.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

it's a full frame camera and not a crop camera. of course it's going to be more expensive.

This is a key point that people seem to have forgotten. While the price of FF sensors has come down, they will always be more expensive than APS-C. Saying 'the 6D costs more than the 7D so it should have all the features of the latter and more' ignores this fact. (Obviously the price reflects a whole range of things, but the different sensor sizes and therefore costs is important).

 

[BillB]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

What I dont get about omitting 4K is that they are putting a tilty-flippy screen on this thing. A tilty-flippy screen is in my opinion, a very video centric feature. I know that it is also handy for stills, but just about every dedicated videocamera, that comes with a screen, comes with on that can be tiltet and flipped. This is not so much the standerd for stills cameras, at least not for high ones.

The tilty-flippy screen combined with, Dual pixel autofocus and 4K would have been great.

one of the reasons the 80d was great for video was the tilty-flippy screen.

If canon is really omitting features to push customers towarts higher end models, I guess it is working. I will properly be buying a 5d Mark 4 instead, in order to get 4K video

The 6DII will have video, although not 4K video. So, the tilty/flippy and the dual pixel autofocus on the 6DII will be used for video purposes by a fair number of people, I would guess.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

What a bunch of regressive apologistic bunch of monkeys are explaining the dumb Canon's feature crippling on their cameras to protect more expensive cameras in line up. Since you monkeys dont want upgraded features like 4k, dual SD slots, etc... why dont you just go back to shooting film since thats what you like.

What an unmitigated ass you are, making thoroughly unwarranted assumptions, and insulting those who understand something about corporate strategy and the ILC market. Why don't you crawl back into your troll cave where you belong.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I am genuinely upset about the fact that it only has a single card slot. Nikon has it from the D7000 up and Canon even put it in the 7d2. Seems so stupid that they would omit it from a camera that is higher end than the 7d2!

6D is higher end than then 7D2? If you say so....

Lets see, xxxx is lowest range, then xxx, then xx then x. Now 5 is higher range that 6, 6 is higher range than 7.

1 is the highest of them all.

So yes, 6 is a higher model range than 7. The clue was in the numbering system!!!

sure if you ignore common sense, that the 7D Mark II is basically a baby 1DX, and the 6D is a full frame version of pretty much the 77D.

the 7D Mark II counterpart in full frame is the 5D Mark IV
the 6D counterpart is somewhere less than the 80D

but yeah, consider it a higher tier.. :

Its all in the numbers, don't overthink it.

65 Af points compared to thirty-something.....
10FPs compared to 5 or 6....
2 card slots compared to 1.....
Dual digic compared to single......

It's all in the numbers, don't overthink it.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Since you monkeys dont want upgraded features like 4k, dual SD slots, etc.

Of course we want them...why did you think we don't?

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Since you monkeys dont want upgraded features like 4k, dual SD slots, etc.

May I ask how insulting people makes your opinion any more valid?

 

[PBguy]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

What a bunch of regressive apologistic bunch of monkeys are explaining the dumb Canon's feature crippling on their cameras to protect more expensive cameras in line up. Since you monkeys dont want upgraded features like 4k, dual SD slots, etc... why dont you just go back to shooting film since thats what you like.

good grief your daddy needs a better password on his computer.

yeah, it's improving the viewfinder, AF, sensor, etc - all the things that photographers care about - it's such a poor camera body.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

DIGIC 7 handles 7 fps / fps at 24MP (12bit mode) and 6 fps at 14 bit mode on the 77D.

so is it safe to assume that this is around 5.5 fps up from 4.4fps?

 

[zim]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

A bit off topic but after assessing my needs, I realize that the 6D is simply not the camera for me. Don't get me wrong, the camera has just about everything I expected it to have. Sure, I could ask for more like a 6fps burst rate, a no-AA-filter version, and improved DR, but none of those things are addressing an unmet need. You see I started switching to Nikon several years ago. However, due to perceived holes in Nikon's lens lineup, I never got rid of my Canon lenses. I stupidly continued to buy Canon lenses that I thought were superior to Nikon's version or for which Nikon didn't have a match. So, even though I sold my 70-200 L II (replaced with a 70-200G f/4, I didn't need the speed), I kept my 70-300 L, 85mm L, and acquired the 70-400 L II and 24-70 L II. I sold all my Canon bodies (6D and 5DIII) in anticipation of the 5DIV. However, the 5DIV was too much camera given my increasing Nikon focus, so I bought an 80D when on sale for $850 and hunkered down to wait for the 6D.

Well, times have changed. Canon has no compelling lens for my shooting style that I can't replace with either a wonderful Nikon version or an excellent third party lens (e.g., no one makes an equivalent 70-300L, but the Sigma 100-400 C provides better IQ in an equally compact package). I'm hoping that the Sigma 24-70 Art will be very good to excellent. If so, then my 24-70L II will be for sale.

So, why was I looking at the 6DII? It was either GAS, or a desire to get some use out of Canon lenses. Stupid reasons. Baby, it's finally time to cut the cord and get off the fence and recognize that I'm a Nikon guy. There's nothing wrong with Canon. It's just my personal preference. I like the DR of Nikon cameras, and I dislike sensors with AA filters. After starting with Canon, I still have to say that I prefer Canon ergonomics, but not enough to go back.

Therefore, if there is a take away from this tangential soliloquy, it's to really focus on your needs. If you are upgrading, does this new camera offer you anything that is truly missing from your current photography? If yes, then might that need be better addressed with a 5DIII? I don't regret selling mine (see reasons above), but the III is an incredible camera. Very responsive, reliable, and a joy to work with. I doubt that the 6DII's IQ will be vastly superior. The 6DII would have to have extremely compelling features (at least one) for me to pick it over the 5DIII.

Anyway, good luck on your buying decisions, and happy shooting!

Well said sir, I may disagree with you on some part but unlike others in this thread I think you might actually take photographs!!
Regards

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

 

[wildwalker]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

65 Af points compared to thirty-something.....
10FPs compared to 5 or 6....
2 card slots compared to 1.....
Dual digic compared to single......

It's all in the numbers, don't overthink it.

And no full frame, thats why the 6 is a higher model, you over thought it....