Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

[wildwalker]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

Well I guess we will ave to wait until Canon produce a UHD camera that uses Digic 7 to find out if it needs one or two? 5DMk4 is Digic 6 (plus?)

 

[BillB]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

Another piece of the puzzle is what the DIGIC 7 processing capacity is being used for in the 6DII. People wanted wiz bang AF performance, and they got it, more or less, but that is going to require processing capacity.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

the dual digics are "sorta" handling it.

it's outside of the real video stream and canon is basically scraping 30 frames a second off the sensor in JPEG mode.

the only encoded 4K that canon does is with the DIGIC DV's .. that are not camera related.

 

[monkey44]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Canon makes a pretty nice video camera for those that want it - me, personally, don't care a lick about video, and in all my years shooting images, have never once shot video ... I suppose some can confuse photographers with videographers ... but I don't, and know both. So, 4k video missing in a 6D2 is irrelevant.

In my years as a wildlife and sports shooter, I began with Canon and never found a reason to change - it does everything I need, and a lot of things I don't need or use. But to consider a change for reasons of video performance, or even complain about it is beyond my comprehension. Buy the tools you need that do what you want your gear to do without complaining that it's "missing something" ... we can't have everything in every camera, so decide what is worth it to you, and buy it, or if something is missing that you need, don't buy it.

In more than twenty years shooting both professionally and privately for my own pleasure, I've never had a Canon product fail - and as I recall it, only one card that was dead on arrival and replaced by B&H ... Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

[daphins]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Precisely the camera I want at the price I need. Super excited!

 

[padam]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

This is simply not true.
The 5DIII which is now very old technology with a much slower processor can almost handle 3.8k RAW cropped with a firmware hack, and that wasn't even designed for that in the first place...

So this camera with its extra processing power could easily record even 14-bit raw video (if it had a fast memory card interface) or even the crippled 4:2:2 8-bit MJPEG like its bigger brothers which can run continuously using CF cards. And probably UHS-II as well, but Canon is trying to push CFast instead, even though CFExpress could take over in a few years' time.


This could be the main problem. When technology is evolving faster and faster, it can be risky not to make a camera as good as they could do (especially considering they will wait several years for the next one). But they have obviously done their research, analyzed the market and they are confident about their market position for the foreseeable future.
So, they decided to make this an 'enthusiast' full-frame camera, whatever that means...

 

[photogdan]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Canon makes a pretty nice video camera for those that want it - me, personally, don't care a lick about video, and in all my years shooting images, have never once shot video ... I suppose some can confuse photographers with videographers ... but I don't, and know both. So, 4k video missing in a 6D2 is irrelevant.

In my years as a wildlife and sports shooter, I began with Canon and never found a reason to change - it does everything I need, and a lot of things I don't need or use. But to consider a change for reasons of video performance, or even complain about it is beyond my comprehension. Buy the tools you need that do what you want your gear to do without complaining that it's "missing something" ... we can't have everything in every camera, so decide what is worth it to you, and buy it, or if something is missing that you need, don't buy it.

In more than twenty years shooting both professionally and privately for my own pleasure, I've never had a Canon product fail - and as I recall it, only one card that was dead on arrival and replaced by B&H ... Maybe I'm just lucky.

You're not lucky... I have the same zero failure experience. Or maybe we're both lucky 8)

I shoot stills, period. As long as Canon continues to improve stills IQ, I'm happy. If I want an occasional video, my iPhone is good enough for me.

 

[tron]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

5D4 does NOT have dual digic. Read the specs:

http://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv/specifications/

 

[intrigue.photography]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Whelp... Looks like I made the right decision in going with the Nikon D750 (with lens for the same price as this body). One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me.

I was really hoping they wouldn't do this so I could keep using my Canon lenses on a rig with DPAF and a tilty screen.

You might be the only person around here who actually bought one of those instead of just complaining that Canon doesn't make one. Good job! In all sincerity.

Thanks I just had a feeling that there would be some letdown when this was announced. Though, it hasn't really been announced, CR3's are rarely wrong. I simply couldn't pass up on the latest deals that Nikon had going on. While I am disappointed that Canon is indeed gimping the 6D2, I'm happy with my decision. The D750 just works, and works well so far. It has all I need. Though I would love to have a touch screen and DPAF, the two card slots are more important to me than those.

If Canon was hoping to force people to by a 5D4 by limiting features... I hope they read this because, well, it forced me to by a Nikon. My 6D is now collecting dust, and my 7D2 is my new emergency backup for weddings.

And yes, I've written Canon and left reviews on their site. So, they do know how I feel.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

5D4 does NOT have dual digic. Read the specs:

http://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv/specifications/

My mistake!
Obviously, there IS an example of a single Digic camera that does 4K...... That answers that question!

So if a single Digic6+ can handle it on a 30Mp sensor, it stands to reason that a faster Digic7 processor would be able to handle 4K on a smaller Mp count sensor....

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Whelp... Looks like I made the right decision in going with the Nikon D750 (with lens for the same price as this body). One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me.

I was really hoping they wouldn't do this so I could keep using my Canon lenses on a rig with DPAF and a tilty screen.

You might be the only person around here who actually bought one of those instead of just complaining that Canon doesn't make one. Good job! In all sincerity.

Thanks I just had a feeling that there would be some letdown when this was announced. Though, it hasn't really been announced, CR3's are rarely wrong. I simply couldn't pass up on the latest deals that Nikon had going on. While I am disappointed that Canon is indeed gimping the 6D2, I'm happy with my decision. The D750 just works, and works well so far. It has all I need. Though I would love to have a touch screen and DPAF, the two card slots are more important to me than those.

If Canon was hoping to force people to by a 5D4 by limiting features... I hope they read this because, well, it forced me to by a Nikon. My 6D is now collecting dust, and my 7D2 is my new emergency backup for weddings.

And yes, I've written Canon and left reviews on their site. So, they do know how I feel.

You have chosen between a great camera, and a great camera that fits your needs a bit better.... I must admit that if I were to go over to the dark side it would be with a D750 and a 200-500..... We are fortunate to have such systems to choose between.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Whelp... Looks like I made the right decision in going with the Nikon D750 (with lens for the same price as this body). One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me.

I was really hoping they wouldn't do this so I could keep using my Canon lenses on a rig with DPAF and a tilty screen.

You might be the only person around here who actually bought one of those instead of just complaining that Canon doesn't make one. Good job! In all sincerity.

I believe that it is Nikon's best selling non-introductory DSLR...... it would stand to reason that there are a LOT of them out there....

 

[bereninga]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I'm surprised to see so many complaints about 4K. I've seen so many posts hoping for a full frame 80D and now that their wish came true they're asking for more! I'm happy to see the price that's lower than the intro price of the 6D. I won't preorder until reviews are out, but I think people underestimate the value of DPAF.

As a 6D owner, It'll be nice to finally use more than the center AF point and use DPAF with video. 4K video will probably be available thru Magic Lantern anyhow.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Whelp... Looks like I made the right decision in going with the Nikon D750 (with lens for the same price as this body). One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me.

I was really hoping they wouldn't do this so I could keep using my Canon lenses on a rig with DPAF and a tilty screen.

You might be the only person around here who actually bought one of those instead of just complaining that Canon doesn't make one. Good job! In all sincerity.

If Canon was hoping to force people to by a 5D4 by limiting features... I hope they read this because, well, it forced me to by a Nikon. My 6D is now collecting dust, and my 7D2 is my new emergency backup for weddings.

And yes, I've written Canon and left reviews on their site. So, they do know how I feel.

Excellent! I'm glad you found gear that fits your need, and simultaneously put pressure on Canon. It's good for you, and good for Canon shooters.

 

[BillB]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I'm surprised to see so many complaints about 4K. I've seen so many posts hoping for a full frame 80D and now that their wish came true they're asking for more! I'm happy to see the price that's lower than the intro price of the 6D. I won't preorder until reviews are out, but I think people underestimate the value of DPAF.

As a 6D owner, It'll be nice to finally use more than the center AF point and use DPAF with video. 4K video will probably be available thru Magic Lantern anyhow.

I think it is likely different groups of people. The people who want a Full Frame 80d could be people looking to move up from a crop camera, a 6D or a 5DII. Basically, these people seem to have gotten their wish. Another group of people were hoping for an inexpensive path to 4K video, and they are not happy. Then there are those who want a second card slot, just like the Nikon D750. If Nikon does it, so should Canon.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I'm surprised to see so many complaints about 4K. I've seen so many posts hoping for a full frame 80D and now that their wish came true they're asking for more! I'm happy to see the price that's lower than the intro price of the 6D. I won't preorder until reviews are out, but I think people underestimate the value of DPAF.

As a 6D owner, It'll be nice to finally use more than the center AF point and use DPAF with video. 4K video will probably be available thru Magic Lantern anyhow.

If Nikon does it, so should Canon.

By that argument, if Canon does it (whatever "it" is), so should Nikon.

 

[PixelTrawler]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I have to laugh at all the complaining going on about the lack of 4K video considering we actually don't know whether it'll be included or not. Have people forgotten that it's just rumored to not have 4K?

We don't even know for sure when it'll actually be announced.

honestly it would not surprise me if it's not. canon doesn't really have DIGIC ready yet for 4K. they are simply way behind the times with this, and no matter how much thumb sucking happens over the lack of 4K it isn't going to change much.

it's still going to sell like hotcakes, and the few that need video will STFU and finally find something that works for them. or they will remain here, sniffling and blaming their lack of youtube likes on canon technology.

My suspicion is that the Digic architecture can not handle 4K.... The 1DX2 and 5D4 have dual digic, which obviously can, but it there a single example of 4K running on a single digic?

5D4 does NOT have dual digic. Read the specs:

http://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-5d-mark-iv/specifications/

The 5d4 has 2 digic chips. But its not dual in the sense of a pair of cpu's sharing a load. The 6+ is the image processor and the 6 does metering / AF. So that single 6+ is likely handing the 4k solo.

 

[cpsico]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Everyone slammed the original 6d specs before they used it, then most everyone who owned it absolutely loved the camera. One slot sucks because it will make it less desirable as a wedding camera, but I suspect this camera will rock.

 

[daphins]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

I'm surprised to see so many complaints about 4K. I've seen so many posts hoping for a full frame 80D and now that their wish came true they're asking for more! I'm happy to see the price that's lower than the intro price of the 6D. I won't preorder until reviews are out, but I think people underestimate the value of DPAF.

As a 6D owner, It'll be nice to finally use more than the center AF point and use DPAF with video. 4K video will probably be available thru Magic Lantern anyhow.

I think it is likely different groups of people. The people who want a Full Frame 80d could be people looking to move up from a crop camera, a 6D or a 5DII. Basically, these people seem to have gotten their wish. Another group of people were hoping for an inexpensive path to 4K video, and they are not happy. Then there are those who want a second card slot, just like the Nikon D750. If Nikon does it, so should Canon.

60D shooter here! You're bang on with what I see. I'm all in on the 6D MKII. It meets EXACTLY what I need.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

Whelp... Looks like I made the right decision in going with the Nikon D750 (with lens for the same price as this body). One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me.

I was really hoping they wouldn't do this so I could keep using my Canon lenses on a rig with DPAF and a tilty screen.

You might be the only person around here who actually bought one of those instead of just complaining that Canon doesn't make one. Good job! In all sincerity.

I believe that it is Nikon's best selling non-introductory DSLR...... it would stand to reason that there are a LOT of them out there....

I'm thinking here of people like K, who bring that body up in every single post, threatening to buy one unless Canon delivers a supercamera for $1500. They never do, though.