Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]
My drone has 4k and it can fly nearly 5miles away for $999.
My drone has 4k and it can fly nearly 5miles away for $999.
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unfocused said:Khalai said:ahsanford said:privatebydesign said:Convergence is bullish!t hype that will never have anything but very limited uses. For a start RAW video is crazy huge file sizes, add 8k and it is unmanageable. But the real killer is the shutter speed issue, optimal shutter speed for video is practically never optimal for stills.
The convergence marketing crap was rolled out for 4K and largely fell on its face, the same will happen for 8k.
Convergence as "a thing", a great transcendent moment in photography's evolution = agree completely.
But pulling stills from video will 100% happen someday. It will obviously start on the video side where folks were already planning to capture all that data down, and "Wow, that doesn't look like s---!" will be the words coming out of their mouth as they flip an 8K shot into a decent still. It will be niche.
But over time, I could those making movies start pulling stills from production footage and not having to hire an on-set photographer for promotional materials. I could see wildlifers getting madly OCD about nailing the pivotal moment (e.g. the fish in the mouth, the most dramatic lion about to bite moment, etc.) without needing a 20 fps still rig to do it.
I'm not saying that it's practical or inevitable (anytime soon) for serious stills shooters, but some folks 100% will find a way to use it.
- A
Well, good luck pulling photos of blurred water, stopped motion or panning shots from videoreel, usually twice the shutter speed that the videoframerate
You took the words right out of my mouth. Smooth video relies on motion blur between the frames.
davidhfe said:unfocused said:Khalai said:ahsanford said:privatebydesign said:Convergence is bullish!t hype that will never have anything but very limited uses. For a start RAW video is crazy huge file sizes, add 8k and it is unmanageable. But the real killer is the shutter speed issue, optimal shutter speed for video is practically never optimal for stills.
The convergence marketing crap was rolled out for 4K and largely fell on its face, the same will happen for 8k.
Convergence as "a thing", a great transcendent moment in photography's evolution = agree completely.
But pulling stills from video will 100% happen someday. It will obviously start on the video side where folks were already planning to capture all that data down, and "Wow, that doesn't look like s---!" will be the words coming out of their mouth as they flip an 8K shot into a decent still. It will be niche.
But over time, I could those making movies start pulling stills from production footage and not having to hire an on-set photographer for promotional materials. I could see wildlifers getting madly OCD about nailing the pivotal moment (e.g. the fish in the mouth, the most dramatic lion about to bite moment, etc.) without needing a 20 fps still rig to do it.
I'm not saying that it's practical or inevitable (anytime soon) for serious stills shooters, but some folks 100% will find a way to use it.
- A
Well, good luck pulling photos of blurred water, stopped motion or panning shots from videoreel, usually twice the shutter speed that the videoframerate
You took the words right out of my mouth. Smooth video relies on motion blur between the frames.
Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
jmoya said:My drone has 4k and it can fly nearly 5miles away for $999.
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That's cool. What's the sensor size?
davidhfe said:Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
Khalai said:davidhfe said:Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
Sure you can. But if you break 180° shutter rule, you'll inevitably introducing some stutter or jerkiness in the video footage. So you can record e.g. 8K video with 60 FPS, but if you use 1/1000s shutter speed, then smoothness of the footage goes right out the window, which can be either intentional or distracting. But you have to inevitably take this into consideration when already shooting the footage. You just can't simply have it as an afterthought.
jmoya said:My drone has 4k and it can fly nearly 5miles away for $999.
rrcphoto said:davidhfe said:unfocused said:Khalai said:ahsanford said:privatebydesign said:Convergence is bullish!t hype that will never have anything but very limited uses. For a start RAW video is crazy huge file sizes, add 8k and it is unmanageable. But the real killer is the shutter speed issue, optimal shutter speed for video is practically never optimal for stills.
The convergence marketing crap was rolled out for 4K and largely fell on its face, the same will happen for 8k.
Convergence as "a thing", a great transcendent moment in photography's evolution = agree completely.
But pulling stills from video will 100% happen someday. It will obviously start on the video side where folks were already planning to capture all that data down, and "Wow, that doesn't look like s---!" will be the words coming out of their mouth as they flip an 8K shot into a decent still. It will be niche.
But over time, I could those making movies start pulling stills from production footage and not having to hire an on-set photographer for promotional materials. I could see wildlifers getting madly OCD about nailing the pivotal moment (e.g. the fish in the mouth, the most dramatic lion about to bite moment, etc.) without needing a 20 fps still rig to do it.
I'm not saying that it's practical or inevitable (anytime soon) for serious stills shooters, but some folks 100% will find a way to use it.
- A
Well, good luck pulling photos of blurred water, stopped motion or panning shots from videoreel, usually twice the shutter speed that the videoframerate
You took the words right out of my mouth. Smooth video relies on motion blur between the frames.
Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
sure. i'd love to see you edit, select the frame, mark your keepers in between stoppages of play through 1800 frames.
LonelyBoy said:Does it matter? The footage looks sick on my imac 4k monitor. Did I mention it flys.jmoya said:My drone has 4k and it can fly nearly 5miles away for $999.
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That's cool. What's the sensor size?
jmoya said:Lets discuss unicorns!
Don Haines said:THERE IS ONLY ONE CARD SLOT. DEAL WITH IT!
THERE IS NO 4K. DEAL WITH IT!
All the noise in the world is not going to change it! This is flogging a dead horse! Nobody wants to see another 400 posts on the subject! Nobody is going to change anybody else's opinion.... LET IT DROP!
Can we please discuss something else?
rrcphoto said:Don Haines said:THERE IS ONLY ONE CARD SLOT. DEAL WITH IT!
THERE IS NO 4K. DEAL WITH IT!
All the noise in the world is not going to change it! This is flogging a dead horse! Nobody wants to see another 400 posts on the subject! Nobody is going to change anybody else's opinion.... LET IT DROP!
Can we please discuss something else?
what do you think the fps will be? it's about the only unknown specification really.
Sporgon said:jmoya said:Lets discuss unicorns!
Squirrel time
wildwalker said:DPAF.
So DPAF only works in live view right? so if you are using video, or live view photo composition you get the advantages of live view.
So in normal photo mode, where you are using the viewfinder, you will be relying on the 45 AF points. So, does this mean that in live view you use a combination of contrast detection and phase difference, but in normal viewfinder mode you only get the traditional contrast detection?
Anyone have a body with DPAF, I watched a video on the M5 about it, it looks very nice, if your using the viewfinder. (well on M6 you have EVF as well, so I guess it must work through that too.
Alan.