This is What Canon is Announcing Tonight

[Loswr]

Little disappointed to see the price of M6. I was hoping it will be between $600-$700. My first expression was what the hell is canon thinking. IMHO at this price point unless someone really wanted a small body the M5 makes a lot of sense.

I understand what Canon is thinking...the M5 doesn't tempt me, it's too large. I will likely get an M6.

 

[rrcphoto]

Little disappointed to see the price of M6. I was hoping it will be between $600-$700. My first expression was what the hell is canon thinking. IMHO at this price point unless someone really wanted a small body the M5 makes a lot of sense.

the price is 200 less than the M5, and it's an M5 without an EVF. price actually makes sense.

 

[powershot2012]

Any word on the G1X III?

Below is a roundup of all the announcements you can expect from Canon tonight.</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Canon EOS 77D</strong>

<em>$899 Body Only, $1049 w/18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM, $1499 w/18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM ($USD)</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EOS Rebel T7i

</strong><em>$749 Body only</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EOS M6</strong>

<em>A new mirrorless camera, basically an EOS M5 without an built-in EVF. $779 USD body only.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EF-S 18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM</strong>

<em>The new entry level kit lens</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon BR-E1</strong>

<em>A bluetooth remote for the new cameras, we’re not sure if it’ll work with others.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon EVF-DC2</strong>

<em>The new electronic viewfinder for the EOS M6.</em></li>
<li><strong>Canon </strong><strong>EH30-CJ

</strong><em>Likely a body jacket for the Canon EOS M6 camera. (Thanks Mikehit)</em></li>
</ul>
<p>This will be all Canon is announcing for the CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan which begins on February 23, 2017.</p>
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[1kind]

Still no 4K. Come on Canon. This is getting stupid.
How many Lumix and Sony cameras now have 4K, pretty much all of them?
How many flagship smartphones (that cost the same or less than these cameras) can shoot 4K, pretty much all of them?
Yet when you buy a dedicated camera from Canon, no 4K unless you can fork over $3K+

And how many other cameras do they have that won't encroach onto their other products? Canon has the cinema line which is why some specs for the dslr won't come close to the cinema. Same goes for rebel and eos-m won't get too close to the higher end dslrs. Otherwise you're competing with your own products and killing your own products.

 

[transpo1]

Ugh 4k, *yawn*

If it's any consolation, I'm tired of bringing it up.

At these price points, 'lesser' bodies could have 4k sure but would they also have the other fundamentals to make it 'good' 4k? I think not. But I shoot stills, hell with video.

No they probably wouldn't. But that was true with HD as well. Something is better than nothing.

This. Agreed. Some 4K is better than nothing.

 

[-pekr-]

Still no 4K. Come on Canon. This is getting stupid.
How many Lumix and Sony cameras now have 4K, pretty much all of them?
How many flagship smartphones (that cost the same or less than these cameras) can shoot 4K, pretty much all of them?
Yet when you buy a dedicated camera from Canon, no 4K unless you can fork over $3K+

Ugh 4k, *yawn*

At these price points, 'lesser' bodies could have 4k sure but would they also have the other fundamentals to make it 'good' 4k? I think not. But I shoot stills, hell with video.

While Canon is stubborn to introduce 4K to their cameras, the situation is even worse - FullHD at max 60 fps? If they would at least provide 120 fps for better slow motion.

The only chance of how to get Canon move their asses, would be to constantly give them at least -2 star ratings during reviews. On the other hand - they are going to be bashed for that anyway - it just seems Canon does not really care ...

 

[1kind]

Little disappointed to see the price of M6. I was hoping it will be between $600-$700. My first expression was what the hell is canon thinking. IMHO at this price point unless someone really wanted a small body the M5 makes a lot of sense.

I understand what Canon is thinking...the M5 doesn't tempt me, it's too large. I will likely get an M6.

Same here

 

[slclick]

Little disappointed to see the price of M6. I was hoping it will be between $600-$700. My first expression was what the hell is canon thinking. IMHO at this price point unless someone really wanted a small body the M5 makes a lot of sense.

the price is 200 less than the M5, and it's an M5 without an EVF. price actually makes sense.

+1 thank you

 

[1kind]

Ugh 4k, *yawn*

If it's any consolation, I'm tired of bringing it up.

At these price points, 'lesser' bodies could have 4k sure but would they also have the other fundamentals to make it 'good' 4k? I think not. But I shoot stills, hell with video.

No they probably wouldn't. But that was true with HD as well. Something is better than nothing.

And when they provide 4K, price is either high and people complain or they give 4K that outputs a different codec or a sub-par 4K and people will complain. Either way, it's a lose-lose for Canon and for consumers.

This. Agreed. Some 4K is better than nothing.

 

[transpo1]

Still no 4K. Come on Canon. This is getting stupid.
How many Lumix and Sony cameras now have 4K, pretty much all of them?
How many flagship smartphones (that cost the same or less than these cameras) can shoot 4K, pretty much all of them?
Yet when you buy a dedicated camera from Canon, no 4K unless you can fork over $3K+

And how many other cameras do they have that won't encroach onto their other products? Canon has the cinema line which is why some specs for the dslr won't come close to the cinema. Same goes for rebel and eos-m won't get too close to the higher end dslrs. Otherwise you're competing with your own products and killing your own products.

As we have learned time and time again in the world of electronics (and other industries, I'm sure): if you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else eventually will. Apple is the perfect example- they made their money on the iPod, yet they cannibalized themselves with the iPod mini, Nano, and iPhone- disrupting their own business model but winning in the long run (so far).

Many on this forum will argue that the marketing stats show 4k video doesn't matter to Canon customers. But IMHO these are subject to sampling bias, because many prosumer, low-budget professional, and professional have already moved on from Canon products and therefore not included in the sample. This sampling result also gives Canon an excuse to protect their higher-end Cinema EOS line and higher-end DSLR cameras (see point #1 above), which they may or may not do despite what the marketing tells them.

Further evidence they're protecting their higher-end lines can be seen in the lack of Canon log in even their $3.5k plus DSLRs, so clearly they think they're protecting their higher-end lines. Canon is doing well now financially, but eventually this lack of risk-taking and unwillingness to disrupt their own model will catch up with them...

Since I'll get trashed for all this, let me point out that DPAF is a total win, and when they include it with 4K in the majority of their DSLR line they will sell a TON more stuff

 

[transpo1]

Ugh 4k, *yawn*

If it's any consolation, I'm tired of bringing it up.

At these price points, 'lesser' bodies could have 4k sure but would they also have the other fundamentals to make it 'good' 4k? I think not. But I shoot stills, hell with video.

No they probably wouldn't. But that was true with HD as well. Something is better than nothing.

And when they provide 4K, price is either high and people complain or they give 4K that outputs a different codec or a sub-par 4K and people will complain. Either way, it's a lose-lose for Canon and for consumers.

This. Agreed. Some 4K is better than nothing.

So why not lose with specs that match the competition?

 

[-pekr-]

So it's out ... Dpreview reports, that the new external EVF does NOT flip. That's pretty much emberrasing - I knew Canon will screw something up. -2 stars for stupid video features not providing even 120 FHD, -1 another star for this EVF stupidity ...

 

[Orangutan]

it just seems Canon does not really care ...

No, Canon does care quite a bit...about market share and profit. Until Nikon, Sony, et al manage to take away some market share, Canon will continue to produce solid, dependable, incremental improvements.

 

[Fleetie]

While I welcome the announcement of the M6, it does set my plans back several months.

Here in the UK, a lot of suppliers *STILL* don't have stock of even the M5 and 18-150 lens.
And that's months and months after the release. And I was about to buy that.

Now, the M6 is announced, but not actually on sale.
We're talking, what? 4 to 6 months before anyone in the UK will have any real stock of it?

<Sigh/>

I suppose I'll just buy the 18-150mm lens to use with my M3, and wait.

And to be fair, the M3 isn't a bad camera at all, for my use, i.e. no fast action.

I'm interested in the reviews of the -DC2 EVF.

 

[-pekr-]

While I welcome the announcement of the M6, it does set my plans back several months.

Here in the UK, a lot of suppliers *STILL* don't have stock of even the M5 and 18-150 lens.
And that's months and months after the release. And I was about to buy that.

Now, the M6 is announced, but not actually on sale.
We're talking, what? 4 to 6 months before anyone in the UK will have any real stock of it?

<Sigh/>

I suppose I'll just buy the 18-150mm lens to use with my M3, and wait.

And to be fair, the M3 isn't a bad camera at all, for my use, i.e. no fast action.

I'm interested in the reviews of the -DC2 EVF.

You decide, how useful the new EVF is going to be for your shooting style - it does not tilt - it mostly kills it for me.

 

[Mikehit]

You decide, how useful the new EVF is going to be for your shooting style - it does not tilt - it mostly kills it for me.

The Panasonic GX7, GX8 have tilting EVFs and the response was line had decidedly 'meh'. I like it but a vast majority don't care.

 

[benkam]

Pleasantly surprised that the 800D/T7i also got the 45-point AF instead of retaining the old 19-point one as had been expected to be one of key differentiators with the 77D.