*UPDATED* Is This The Canon EOS M5?
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Is that a pull-out EVF in your pocket or are you just glad to see to see me?neuroanatomist said:dilbert said:
Some camcorders – my Vixia HF M41, for example – have a 'pull out' eyepiece for the EVF as seen on this Panasonic model.
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A few thoughts on this new sketch:
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A few thoughts on this new sketch:
- Apparently, 'Slightly upmarket' means lots of knobs, an integral viewfinder, a more 'traditional' Rebel looking pop-up flash, and a chunkier grip for better hold of bigger lenses and (hopefully) a bigger battery. No idea what's under the hood of course, but this concept (if real) would be a very promising course correction.
- Whoever was asking for a RX100 IV form factor from a modular mount APS-C rig needs to step away from the magic mushrooms and come back to reality. See pic -- unless Canon gets excited about f/8 'pinhole lens cap pancakes', there's simply no chance if it will rival a 1" sensor with integral lens. You should consider the Nikon 1 system (as big a flop as Ishtar?) as an alternate reality if Canon went all-in on small.
- Whoever implied Canon might go retro with this rig: Stop that, you. The world needs another retro-for-retro's-sake camera about as much as we need another EOS M without a built-in viewfinder. Let Canon be Canon -- retro/stylized/etc. is not what they do, and it's one of the reasons why I love them.
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Yes, but 4K would also be the price, not only the video capability...
I don't believe Canon wishes to enter Leica market, or something alike, with the M line. For what I know of Canon history they never tried to make and sell "luxury items" for a small set of customers.
High-end professional workhorses like the F-1, T90 and 1D(X) yes, high-end prosumer models like the A-1 and 5D too, and even compacts like the G line, but I don't remember very expensive "luxury" models. Probably it doesn't need that kind of self-promotion - sometimes those models are made even if they sell little to "pump" a brand image.
Just like some sport version of small cars are made to sell more of the other models to people who can't afford the sport version - which will get more free promotion....
AvTvM said:
Yes, but 4K would also be the price, not only the video capability...
I don't believe Canon wishes to enter Leica market, or something alike, with the M line. For what I know of Canon history they never tried to make and sell "luxury items" for a small set of customers.
High-end professional workhorses like the F-1, T90 and 1D(X) yes, high-end prosumer models like the A-1 and 5D too, and even compacts like the G line, but I don't remember very expensive "luxury" models. Probably it doesn't need that kind of self-promotion - sometimes those models are made even if they sell little to "pump" a brand image.
Just like some sport version of small cars are made to sell more of the other models to people who can't afford the sport version - which will get more free promotion....
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re. form factor, layout and size:
http://j.mp/2bR5sEk
One of the cameras has a viewfinder built in, the other not
One of the cameras has a FF sensor, the other a much smaller APS-C crop sensor
Both cameras waste space on top deck for an unnecessary, monofunctional EV +/- dial
One camera has a lens mount, the other not
One camera costs around 3000 €, the other € 700 (with lens).
http://j.mp/2bR5sEk
One of the cameras has a viewfinder built in, the other not
One of the cameras has a FF sensor, the other a much smaller APS-C crop sensor
Both cameras waste space on top deck for an unnecessary, monofunctional EV +/- dial
One camera has a lens mount, the other not
One camera costs around 3000 €, the other € 700 (with lens).
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true. but I would love to see a modern T90 digital EF and FD mount both with AF (FD focal lengths limited of course) and both FD and EF adapters with focal reducers.
going back to basically the birth of modern EOS ergonomics and way of thinking would be kind of nice.
the AE-1 was pretty revolutionary at the time, and why shouldn't canon who is the largest camera manufacturer, and second only to Nikon in storied past celebrate some of it's history?
I'm not saying go full retro like Fuji . because that's simply moronic and removes canon haptics and ergonomics .. but classic AE-1 styling? T90 styling? why not?
ahsanford said:
true. but I would love to see a modern T90 digital EF and FD mount both with AF (FD focal lengths limited of course) and both FD and EF adapters with focal reducers.
going back to basically the birth of modern EOS ergonomics and way of thinking would be kind of nice.
the AE-1 was pretty revolutionary at the time, and why shouldn't canon who is the largest camera manufacturer, and second only to Nikon in storied past celebrate some of it's history?
I'm not saying go full retro like Fuji . because that's simply moronic and removes canon haptics and ergonomics .. but classic AE-1 styling? T90 styling? why not?
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AvTvM said:re. form factor, layout and size:
http://j.mp/2bR5sEk
One of the cameras has a viewfinder built in, the other not
One of the cameras has a FF sensor, the other a much smaller APS-C crop sensor
Both cameras waste space on top deck for an unnecessary, monofunctional EV +/- dial
One camera has a lens mount, the other not
One camera costs around 3000 €, the other € 700 (with lens).
Let's compare apples to apples, shall we?:
Full-frame fixed vs. interchangeable: http://camerasize.com/compact/#638,624.429,ha,t
(both are 35mm f/2 lenses)
APS-C fixed vs. interchangeable: http://camerasize.com/compact/#566,599.349,ha,t
(both have 22-23mm f/2 lenses on them)
A fixed lens body can bury the lens in there to a somewhat dramatic effect.
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Short answer: Nostalgia doesn't improve the shooting experience. I'd prefer to have a rig that feels like a current Canon, so that when I switch from my 5D3 to one of these things, it's not foreign to use.
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rrcphoto said:
Short answer: Nostalgia doesn't improve the shooting experience. I'd prefer to have a rig that feels like a current Canon, so that when I switch from my 5D3 to one of these things, it's not foreign to use.
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Interesting. I pick up my AE-1 to remind myself of what an immersive OVF feels like (that thing is HUGE), but could do without the cold, sharp body. These newfangled "plastics" might not be so bad after all.
And while I like Fuji's control system, Canon's M lenses don't have manual aperture rings, so there's no point in even attempting that sort of thing, is there?
ahsanford said:
Interesting. I pick up my AE-1 to remind myself of what an immersive OVF feels like (that thing is HUGE), but could do without the cold, sharp body. These newfangled "plastics" might not be so bad after all.
And while I like Fuji's control system, Canon's M lenses don't have manual aperture rings, so there's no point in even attempting that sort of thing, is there?
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This looks like a really well designed MILC if this is legit. I like my EOS-M, but it's too small to be comfortable. This looks like a real ergonomic winner. Anxious to see what sensor they stick in there. Staying APS-C I'm sure. Probably the 24MP 80D sensor? DPAF too? Should be fun!
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