Canon R series Firmware files sizes

There was something I thought about for a long time. The size of the Canon R series Firmware files helps to understand how much the camera software is open to development.

R series, average firmware file sizes:

Canon Eos R: 34 -37 MB
Canon Eos R6: 50-51 MB
Canon Eos R5: 49-55 MB
Canon Eos R5C: 87-88 MB
Canon Eos R3: 85-86 MB
Canon Eos R6 Mark II: 75 MB
Canon Eos R7: 70 MB
Canon Eos R10: 69 MB

100mm SHOOTOUT! Detailed Analysis of the Hand-Holdability and General Sharpness of the RF100/2.8 Macro, the RF100-500/4.5-7.1 and the RF24-105/4

See my 135mm shootout thread for details on the methodology, but I'll summarize here:

These are 55 lp/mm charts, which make the black lines about 2 pixels wide on an R5. This target has detail that is totally invisible unless your final image is reduced less than 4:1, and really only if reduced less than 2:1. So even if a graphic here looks "bad", remember it's a level of bad only visible if your image is 4000-8000 pixels wide...

I shot each lens 10x at each of about ten shutter speeds. I had software score the sharpness and sort from sharpest to blurriest. Each line has a benchmark at the left and right to help you compare against "best."

CONCLUSIONS

The 100-500 actually has better IS at 1sec, but from 1/8 sec up, the sharper Macro optics pull ahead.

The 100-500 is so sharp (at least in the center) that there's really no need to switch to the 100 Macro at all, even if you suspect you'll be using the full 45MP.

And for either lens, shooting at 1/2 or even 1 sec is going to be fine for most purposes. Worry only about subject movement, not camera shake.

(I'll post the 24-105 results tomorrow.)

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Canos Freezing problem

Hy guys,

Bought my R3 in January this year.

Configured my way, as a Sports Photographer, and all went smooth until this week. In two soccer games, my R3 just freezed up, and i mean, is was "dead" for taking photos.

The screen was still active, but blurred with no focus system activated , the shutter was dead too, as all the buttons. This took like 30 secs to 1min and re-established itself. Had this like 4 times in row, until i took out the battery, and turned it on.

I was in panic, as i was shooting a league match, and next week i will have Champions and Europa League matches.

Anyone with similar problems? I read a thread stating the problem was the GPS, but i have it disabled.

Doesn't seem to be the card, but i noticed that the freezes came when i was editing to my agency. Seemed like the camera went to sleep and took a long time to became available again

Any help would be appreciated as Canon wants to pick up the camera but i don´t know how much time, without the camera, is involved.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

JR

Spring 2023

There are many definitions for the beginning of spring in the Northern Hemisphere:
  1. Astronomical, by the equinox, this year on March 20th.
  2. Meteorological, on March 1st.
  3. Phenological, when early spring begins with the blooming of snowdrops and first spring with the blooming of forsythia.
I have chosen the meteorological beginning of spring and would like to post a few first blooms.
All 5D4, 100L Macro, f/11.

Please add your spring 2023 impressions here, too.

The snowdrops are there for more than 2 weeks:
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the crocuses have not opened up yet:
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And my forsythia is still waiting for warmer weather:
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RF Lenses or EF/RF Drop-In Filter Adapter ?

Good afternoon everyone.

I am currently using a transition setup from DSLR to mirrorless in order to change my lenses from EF to RF progressively since I was heavily invested into EF.
I am shooting on a Canon R5 with the Drop-In Filter Mount Adapter EF-RF my Polarizer filter in between the sensor and the lens.

However this setup is really amazing because as an Automotive and Motorsports photographer/videograpger, I can freely change lenses and not care about switching my Polarizer filter everytime, as well as combining 2 filters at once (Polarizer before the lens and ND at the tip of the lens). The only downside I'm having is weather-sealing.

Now I'm torn between dropping this setup and going into the full RF ecosystem, and loosing this major feature (for me), and staying stuck with EF lenses.
Main reasons to change to RF is : weather-sealing, extra aperture on the new 1.2 primes, extra aperture on the 28-70 f2, smaller form factor of the 70-200 2.8.

Now I've been searching and searching and searching for what I'd call a "RF to RF Drop-In Filter Ring". Have some of you encountered such a product ?

Am I the only one in this struggle haha ?
Do you maybe have some advice on alternative solutions ?

Thanks a lot for your help, I'm looking forward to reading you.
- Adrien

C200 Multicam workflow

I've admitted defeat; there is no way to get a clean SDI out and see OSD simultaneously on the Canon display or the HDMI out. So, C200 users, how are you connecting to your SDI switcher? I've got a Black Magic mini converter gaffe taped to my tripods to convert the clean-out from the HDMI to SDI. This seems so wrong and really grinds my gears. Is there a better option?

135mm SHOOTOUT! Detailed Analysis of the Hand-Holdability and General Sharpness of the RF135/1.8, the RF100-500/4.5-7.1, and the EF135/2

Background

I want to understand how long I can hand-hold my lenses. Traditionally we used a rule of thumb: the "reciprocal rule," stating that you should use a shutter speed at least as high as one divided by the focal length. For instance, a 90mm lens would call for a 1/90th second exposure or better. But it was never that simple: it's not a question of "sharp" vs. "not sharp," but rather "how sharp" and even "what percentage would be how good or how bad." Further, this advice came out when even 400-speed film was grainy, focus was never perfect, and lenses weren't that sharp anyway. Quality of the image just wasn't great, and even a fair amount of unsharpness from a moving camera would be hidden by these other greater factors that are now gone. It's possible that the reciprocal rule is now way too optimistic, given the high-megapixel, low-noise sensors with today's excellent lenses and perfect autofocus. On the other hand, the advent of image stabilization changes everything too, with makers claiming unbelievably great-sounding improvements in hand-holdability, that I was frankly dubious of.

I also bought the new RF135/1.8IS, to replace my beloved but ancient EF135/2.0, and want to characterize what my money's buying in terms of image stabilization as well as general sharpness. (Other benefits are slightly increased bokeh, and weatherproofing.) My camera, as most high-end cameras now, has in-body image stabilization via a sensor that the camera can move slightly to offset detected movement, and Canon especially has put additional stabilization in most cameras that can move lenses to compensate.

Finally, I'd like to know how my various lenses compare: if I have three lenses that can shoot at 100mm or 135mm, which should I use on a shot? Am I safe leaving lens X or Y home, or should I really take it to get best results? Until 1995 you could be sure that any prime lens would be sharper than any zoom, but that started changing, and by 2020 the more moderately-apertured pro-quality zooms seem outstanding. But have primes continued to improve too?

The Test

For these reasons I wanted to do a comparison. I have multiple lenses to choose from at focal lengths 16mm, 28mm, 50mm, 100mm, and 135mm, so these are the focal lengths I'm personally keen to test. However the 135 was my most recent acquisition so was on my mind first.

Here are four comparison charts I've made, each based on shooting ten trials at each of ten or so shutter speeds. The target shown was from the center or close to it in each shot. Each line of each chart has a benchmark tripod image from the 135/1.8 at the beginning and end of the line. The ten trials at each shutter speed are sorted from sharpest to least-sharp. Software attempts to score the sharpness to automate this, though it's only a guideline. The score is written on each target again, it's just a guideline; let your eyes be the judge. The squares are 225 pixels wide, which is basically 1mm on the sensor (227 pixels per mm I think). The data is 1:1 scale and meant to be viewed shrunken to fit, to get an overview, and at 1:1 to study individual results. Some lenses don't show ten images: the missing ones were too blurry to process.

The test target has 55lp/mm, the lines of which are about 2.05 pixels tall on the sensor of a Canon R5. I chose this as thinner lines cannot be depended to produce a black pixel. (Say, a 1.5 pixel wide line could fill two adjacent pixels 3/4 black, so even if the lens were perfect you wouldn't have black. In contrast 2 pixels tall will always leave one pixel seeing nothing but black, and possibly two if it just happens to be aligned.)

Findings

This is a severe test conducted to differentiate even between perfect and "merely" excellent.
The main point is that, of the IS images, even the worst are fantastic in an absolute sense, even the worst of the 1 second images on the worst lens here. The image quality obviously sucks at 1 second for the IS images compared to what they can do at faster speeds. And yet, each black and white line is 2 pixels wide. If you reduce size by 4 (say, to 2000 pixels width), the circles will literally be uniform gray and NONE of the blur shown here will even be visible, even looking pixel by pixel at such an image. Your two takeaways from that are:
  • Even the 135/2's apparently bad results will look nearly identical to the 135/1.8 if you're using <=2000 pixel-wide images.
  • Even 1 second handheld exposures will look nearly identical to tripod benchmarks on any of these lenses if you're using <=2000 pixel-wide images.

At 1/30, even the worst trial from the RF135/1.8L IS or RF100-500/4.5-7.1L IS is sharper than the very best image at any speed from the EF135/2.0L. When I got the EF135 in 1997, it seemed to be by far the sharpest lens I had, definitely the sharpest non-white lens until the 180/3.5Macro came out. So, I'm saddened yet amazed to see it's being out-shot by a zoom lens hand-held a relative eternity.

At 1/60, even the worst trial from the RF135/1.8L IS is sharper than the very best image at any speed from the RF100-500/4.5-7.1L IS.

At 1/4, the RF135/1.8L IS with IS on outperforms the same lens with no IS at any speed including 1/1000. I would therefore say it is quite accurate to say IS really is giving 8 stops of stabilization. Likewise 1/2 with IS outperforms 1/500 no IS (again 8 stops). 1 sec with IS outperformed 1/250 no IS in 6 out of 10 samples or so, so yet again 8 stops.

While the EF135/2.0 lacks in-lens stabilization, it doesn't seem to be held back too much: it's maybe 0.5-1.5 stops "less hand-holdable" than the RF, perhaps, if you compare the really long exposures. So don't worry about the lack of in-lens IS if your budget only stretches to the EF135.

Future Directions

I need to now compare 100, 50, 28, and 16mm, but I'd like to incorporate any feedback I get from this test.

I want to adjust color temp on the white balance to make the images more white. I think this probably doesn't affect the results, but it was an oversight.

I do need to turn off in-body sharpening: these were taken from default JPG's which have a "sharpening" parameter set to "2". I don't see how this would necessarily give a bias, but I wonder if I'm overlooking something, and I certainly don't see how it could help.

Maybe I should use raw output instead of the high-quality large JPG's, but it'd be time-consuming. My guess is that JPG probably gives a small but fairly equal injury to all of the trials.

Arguably the 1 sec exposures are so sharp that I should test 2-4 sec even at 135mm.

All images are tested only in the center, which was reasonable for testing hand-holdability. I need corner tests and multiple apertures to compare lenses.

Not mentioned above but I think I saw a very marked difference between using the 2-sec timer and the regular drive mode on tripod (a Gitzo G1228 Mountaineer from 1998, with a Arca Swiss B1 ball head). I should do a specific study on how best to shoot from the tripod (IS on or off, shutter button vs. self-timer vs. using smart phone for a remote trigger).

Sometimes the fastest shutters counterintuitively seemed worse than slower. This may be due to the high ISO's used (up to 10k) but could be a subject for another study.

Images

I attach, in order: EF135, RF135, RF100-500, and finally RF135 with IS turned off. I trialed this lens down to 1 sec with ten trials at each speed, but there are fewer images as it literally couldn't be determined where the center of the chart was.

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Advice: Used R5 R6 mk ii for Hockey

Hello everyone,

Wanted to get everyone's take for what I should consider for my first foray into the mirrorless bodies.

Currently using the 5d mk 4 and I mainly shoot jr ice hockey most of the year and triple a baseball in the spring/summer. The occasional portraits sessions on the side. I'm in the midst of the hockey playoffs now and want to get something before baseball starts up.

I'm in the market and looking at a used r5 or the r6 mk 2. Which body would you go with?

What's the consensus on R6 upgrade to Mark II?

I've been using an R6 pretty heavily for more than two years and I'm starting to think about getting a backup body. I have an R10 to use in an emergency, but I want a second body that is similar to my main camera. Should I just get another R6 Mark I or pay a bit more for a Mark II. I'm just shooting stills... lots and lots of stills. I'm happy with the 20 Megapixel sensor.

I understand the autofocus is unchanged, which is fine. Is there any difference in dynamic range or some other aspect of image quality? Any new features that you love?

Thanks for sharing!

Dr. Mike

  • Poll Poll
Am I the Only One who Thinks the RF Lens Physical Design Sucks?

Which ways do you think RF SYSTEM is harder to use than EF?

  • back cap harder to put on

    Votes: 35 97.2%
  • mounting mark harder to see

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • hood release harder to use

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • front cap harder to use

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • the trap door for adjusting a circular polarizer defeats the point of a hood

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • exterior of lens shows scuff marks too easily

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • 100-500 hood blocks zoom ring

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • f-stops not clearly written on lens, only focal length

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • no more focus distance window

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • control ring is unused: not all lenses have it; don't want to learn two different ways to use system

    Votes: 13 36.1%

For me:
Rear lens caps a lot harder to put on than EF, though part of it is the weather sealing, but it seems just too exact a fit and has to line up just right.

Mounting dot way too small and hard to see with my cataract issues.

Hoods with the freaking release button. I never had problems in 25 years with EF hoods coming off unexpectedly.

Front lens caps, meh, OK I guess, I liked the EF but these aren't really worse maybe, just different

The little trap door on the 100-500 hood for turning circular polarizers is annoying. What's the point of a hood that doesn't hood? Why not sell the lens with a regular hood and see the CP hood as an extra?

My RF lenses are getting more scuff marks on them from 5-6 shoots than my EF lenses got in 25 years. My EF hoods are all scuffed up from rubbing together in the backpack but the lens exteriors honestly still look nearly new in most cases.

And the 100-500 hood perfectly blocks the zoom, so you CANNOT use the lens unless you remove the hood, which requires you to find the stupid latch button

Design too stripped down. Why not put the f-stop along with the focal length at least. Fine, don't put useless info on it like "Ultrasonic Motor" etc. but at least tell me which freaking lens it is.

If all lenses had the control ring I guess I'd use it but since they don't, I instead use the body controls. Photography for me hinges on muscle memory and using it automatically and I can't sometimes be reaching for the lens control ring sometimes not. So with like 7 RF lenses how much have I paid for control rings I don't use?

The R5's functionality is great as is the lens functionality, but they really dropped the ball on just being able to USE the outfit.
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SIGMA launches interchangeable lenses for Nikon Z Mount system

SIGMA Corporation (CEO: Kazuto Yamaki) is pleased to announce the upcoming launch of interchangeable lenses for Nikon Z Mount system. This addition allows users to enjoy high performance, and high quality SIGMA lenses in native mount on their Z Mount system. Three F1.4 prime lenses (16mm F1.4 DC DN | Contemporary, 30mm F1.4 DC DN |

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Cosina will announce a NOKTON 50mm F1 Aspherical for the RF mount

Cosina has recently been teasing new prime lenses for various mirrorless mounts, including Canon’s RF mount. The new lenses from Cosina will have electrical contacts for added functionality with your RF camera. For Canon shooters, Cosina will announce a Nokton 50mm f/1. Cosina lenses have been very popular with the rangefinder community, as Nokton prime

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TAMRON Announces Development of Compact, Lightweight F2.8 Ultra Wide-Angle Zoom Lens for FUJIFILM X-Mount APS-C Mirrorless Cameras

February 19, 2023, Commack, NY – TAMRON announces the development of the 11-20mm F/2.8 Di III-A[1] RXD (Model B060), a fast-aperture ultra wide-angle zoom lens for FUJIFILM X-mount APS-C mirrorless cameras. The TAMRON 11-20mm F2.8 ultra wide-angle zoom lens features a constant aperture of F2.8. Despite its fast F2.8 aperture, the lens is very small and

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EOS R vs EOS R8

Hello all,

I am new to the forum and am looking to purchase my first camera. I have been considering the EOS R and preordering the EOS R8. Could you please advise on the benefits of each and which you would recommend for someone looking for a camera to use primarily for scenery and car photos? Is the EOS R getting out of date? I know it’s been out since 2018.

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