The two super slow EF-S zooms? These are a dramatic step back from the 32mm f1.4, 22mm f2, and Sigma 1.4 trio. My photography and videography would take HUGE step back in picture quality. If I sold my M6mkii and lenses and bought an R7 and those RF-S lenses, it would be a major downgrade, and with all due respect, I don't see how it's debatable.
Canon Japan lists their discontinued products:
Thanks. Would have been useful it the OP included this given it's linked on the front page
Hopefully if (still a big if, IMO) Canon actually abandons the M system, they will convert most EF-M lenses to RF-S, as they did with the 18-150mm. Of course, they may not as a way to drive people to FF MILCs.
Maybe they will eventually fill in the gaps, maybe they won't. Even if they do, I have my doubts that they will be affordable or small. Right now, I only see two RF lenses that are as fast or faster than the f1.4 options in the M range, and they cost *gulp* $2,599 and $2,099...and they're significantly bigger and heavier. With Canon blocking third party lens manufacturers from making AF RF lenses, Sigma and Tamron will not be coming to the rescue. So my options are to spend several thousand dollars and go back to carrying a big, heavy backpack around like I did 15 years ago, or switch to a different brand.
Yes, I think their hope is to drive someone like me to their big expensive full-frame RF systems, but in actuality they will just drive me to their competitors, which are still making systems similar to the M series. With what's out there now, I can't see a way to put together an RF system that rivals what I already have in the M system. But Sony, Fuji, and Panasonic do have options that are similar. Hopefully they do eventually come out with another M body, but they seem to be slowly closing out the system.
Fuji seems like an attractive alternative. I agree that there's no way to put an RF system together that matches the M system, but that larger sensor comes with benefits and tradeoffs. Personally, I will stick with EOS M bodies/lenses until they stop selling them and mine stop working. For me, the M kit is a secondary system when I want something small and light for travel or local outings.
I agree, but they did develop a few phenomenal, small/light, and relatively cheap M lenses. The F1.4 32mm, f2 22mm, and 11-22mm are all fantastic, and then Sigma came out with the trio to fill in some gaps. If Sigma issued their new 18-50mm 2.8mm for the M series, I'd say the system is pretty close to complete.
That's the thing. The M6ii with fast prime lenses still takes significantly better pictures than the iphone 14 in most situations, while only being slightly more of a hassle to carry around. The R7 with their new, slow RF-S zooms on the other hand, doesn't really beat the iphone 14 in many situations. I'd argue (and I know it's arguable) that the iphone would actually perform better for portraits than the R7 paired with those slow zooms, and similarly well for daytime landscape shots. I feel like iPhones have gotten good enough that slow kit zooms on a crop sensor are pointless in most situations these days. Obviously Canon disagrees since they just came out with two of them. For sports and wildlife photographers, there's some value there, but for everything else, I don't see it.
I'm still holding some hope that the rumoured R100 will be very, very close in size to the M6II. If that's the case, I would really appreciate the 11-22, 22, 28 and 32 lenses to get a very close RF equivalent. Although the RF 16mm is nice and small already, it could take the place of the 22mm.
There never was or ever will be an evidence for this, because no manufacturer will ever tell you the truth. Regarding your logic the 6D mark I (!!!) is not discontinued because I can buy a new one on Amazon in US and Germany (just to give an example) ... You still confuse inventory with production!
Not really, I just understand global supply chain. If Canon had the quantity of stock being suggested here they'd have been out of business years ago. Yes, there are a few mark 1's in stock still, but when sold they are not replenished. Mark 2 by contrast is widely in stock online and in retail stores and is being regularly replenished.
I mostly agree with the better pictures part, but disagree with slightly more of a hassle to carry. An iPhone fits in a pocket of anything I wear, an M6II with 22/2 fits in an overcoat pocket or in a belt pouch. Either is substantially more of a hassle to carry, especially since I'm going to be carrying a phone anyway. And that's if I only bring one lens (which I often do if that lens is the M18-150, but not often with just a prime lens).
Or you could buy a new M6 II while you still can and be good for the next 8 years or so and not need to buy any new lenses or switch brands. During those 8 years you can patiently wait and see what Canon does with their R series APS-C cameras and RF-S lenses. I have an R10, which may not be quite as small as the M6 II, but is still very small and light, and who knows what other crop camera may be coming in the next 8 years - maybe even smaller and lighter. If Canon reproduces the M lenses in the RF-S form, that may be the way to go when the time comes that your M6 II bites the dust.
The reality of the EOS M system, is it was designed to be small, easy to use, and with small lenses that can be easily carried almost anywhere (as far as an interchangeable lens camera go). It has lenses that cover all the focal ranges needed for that purpose. Some people understand that. Others, alas, don't and never have.
I actually already own two m6ii's. Your advice makes sense from photography perspective, but not as much from a videography perspective.
