Is it too early to start wishing for 5D5 rumors? I'm ok with mirrors.
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I'm ok with mirrors.
"We’re told that there is a general feeling professional sports shooters (and other professional EOS-1D shooters) will be the last to embrace mirrorless cameras across the board"
Pro sports shooters? Both of them switched to the Sony A9 last I heard.
Seriously, an R with a joystick, two cards and an ISO button would be all I need.
That was a depressing article by pros. So, the market is being driven by wealthy and not so wealthy amateurs.They're certainly not as large of a piece of the marketplace as they used to be. There are too many wealthy "semi-pro" enthusiasts willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on gear and then shoot for peanuts, if not for nothing, just to have access to games. It's worse now than it was back in 2015 when this was written:
What Killed Editorial Sports Photography?: You’ve Got To Hustle As A Sports Shooter These Days
https://ymcinema.com/2019/05/06/canon-cinema-business-shows-17-drop-in-sales/
After ALL that Canon have done to protect their precious little cinema eos system -- this happens ?? LMAO.
I agree, however, a full frame 7D is... 1Dx. And making an APC-S R camera? Isn't it a step toward the M's?
Crazy idea, but worth thinking about, Take the 7D body (for the ergonomics) place a mirrorless system (to replace the mirror, pentaprism etc) and you have a nice room for IBIS (5 axis if you like), and you get the best of all worlds, ergonomics already made (perfect as far as I can see it) and mirrorless. The only problem is that you can't call it 7R for obvious seasons. 7D-R?
"Very poor"...it was better than the competition when it was released. People bang on it in retrospect because soon after its release Nikon released new APS-C cameras that legitimately did do better at high ISO and of course had better DR(oning). But for the time and sensor size the 7D wasn't bad at either. And low ISO detail was very, very good.
On the day of its release though it was better than Nikon's offerings in all respects.
Translation: you could pixel peep to a higher magnification than your previous camera.
Really, people should have to take a class and pass a test before being able to unlock 100% viewing in image editors.
Funny I didn't have that problem.
Many thanks for sharing that link - interesting take (as well as somewhat depressing for sports photogs!)......It's worse now than it was back in 2015 when this was written:
What Killed Editorial Sports Photography?: You’ve Got To Hustle As A Sports Shooter These Days
Once the world transitioned to digital, imaging was accessible to a much larger cohort. In addition, the demands of digital R&D meant that greater volumes of product needed to be moved to get the costs to a manageable level. The two curves met at what seemed to be very high prices initially but well heeled amateurs and news organizations paid for the early gear. As costs declined, more enthusiasts got into the game and news orgs were going broke. This has left the industry dependent on hobbyists and semi-pros that churn gear.That was a depressing article by pros. So, the market is being driven by wealthy and not so wealthy amateurs.
Oh yes, I have said many times the non pro posters here have more valuable and modern equipment than most of the actual working pros I know.That was a depressing article by pros. So, the market is being driven by wealthy and not so wealthy amateurs.
Oh yes, I have said many times the non pro posters here have more valuable and modern equipment than most of the actual working pros I know.
My best pro friend shoots competitive college level sports, he is regularly displaced, teams are very limited in their pass allocations, by another friend who tunes the piano for the band but has all the latest gear and shoots for free for access. Only a fool believes their is a business model as a traditional pro sports shooter now, or has been for quite some time.
With all due respect to the pro, if the team is satisfied with the results from the free piano tuner guy such that they use him instead of the pro, then either the team has low expectations and is more concerned with cost, or said pro needs to up his game.
Because we know that the equipment doesn’t matter that much, right?
What makes one think an amateur/enthusiast can't shoot better photos than a professional (simply means he gets paid)? I think the idea that a professional is automatically better than a non-professional is silly.With all due respect to the pro, if the team is satisfied with the results from the free piano tuner guy such that they use him instead of the pro, then either the team has low expectations and is more concerned with cost, or said pro needs to up his game.
Because we know that the equipment doesn’t matter that much, right?
And yet, Sony is quickly losing market share to Canon and Nikon in the FF MILC sector and really doesn't compete at all in the crop sensor area. You say nobody wants what Canon is putting out... yet many here on the forum have bought in. People do want the products. Now, if Sony could possibly figure out how to make a 200mm, 300mm, 500mm, 600mm, or 800mm lens or something in tilt/shift... Sony might survive. Otherwise, Sony's MILC camera division is doomed. BTW: Nothing wrong with $3k lenses on a FF budget body (RP) or the mid-range R. Sony has plenty of that. However, you and I both know that $3k lenses aren't all that is offered or all that will be offered. Right now, there is only 1 $3k lens, the 28-70. RF lens prices run from $449 and up. You say the 1D grade mirrorless was needed 6 months ago. Canon thinks differently. However, you wouldn't buy one if it were available anyway, so what are you complaining about? It will be a real pity what happens to Sony when Canon releases the next two FF MILC bodies. Nowhere to go but down.Sony is killing all sales in mirrorless sector, and its crazy to me how canon is shooting themselves in the foot with bad products. Eos R is a sales disaster because of it’s limitations, but it doesnt seem to occur to anyone at canon that they need to stop doing what they are doing currently and change. Nope, let’s continue with products no one wants, we’ll be fine ! A mirrorless 1d was needed 6 month ago for a low price to make everyone believe the company can still actually deliver something. But apparently not. Let’s put 3k lenses on amateur bodies that makes a lot of sense ! Marvelous !
After 13 years I made my first non Canon purchase, the Panasonic S1. I am blown away by the quality of its straight out of the camera jpgs. Video quality is outstanding of course; it's what Panasonic is known for. And it always made me wonder how Panasonic managed to retain so much detail in their videos compared to the dull videos out my Canons. Now it's clear. It's not just video. Panasonic's image processing/image compression technology is on another level and outstanding video is a result of that.
I am not getting rid of my Canon gear though, at least not the 7d2. There will just be no more Canon purchases.
I hope after the Panasonic S1H, 2.8 trinity lenses release, VLOG upgrade, they can turn their attention to updating the AF FW
Let’s put 3k lenses on amateur bodies that makes a lot of sense ! Marvelous !
What are you looking for in a brand new camera in terms of AF firmware? Panasonic already has arguably the best CDAF. Can it be improved? Of course. Will it overall outperform PDAF (from canon, nikon, sony, etc) which their camera hardware isn’t set up for? ... probably not.
Some of us have been lucky enough to find that our last purchase was a pretty good camera, and that we won't need to buy another one for quite a while, if ever. Not being obsessed with spray and pray techniques for getting better pictures of flying birds or fast moving athletes in low light may help.Once the world transitioned to digital, imaging was accessible to a much larger cohort. In addition, the demands of digital R&D meant that greater volumes of product needed to be moved to get the costs to a manageable level. The two curves met at what seemed to be very high prices initially but well heeled amateurs and news organizations paid for the early gear. As costs declined, more enthusiasts got into the game and news orgs were going broke. This has left the industry dependent on hobbyists and semi-pros that churn gear.
The latest drops in sales by the camera manufacturers represent the saturation of the market. The gear sold in the last few years have reached sufficiency and many owners of new gear are realizing their last purchases did not transport them to the promised land and feel (rightfully) that the newest intros will unlikely do it either.
The bulk of the market is exactly where Canon is aiming with the R and RP. Carping about the absence of an Uber -pro body is a hobbyist's luxury. Look where the numbers are and you will see that Canon is actually a lot more aware of the market than many give them credit for.Sony is killing all sales in mirrorless sector, and its crazy to me how canon is shooting themselves in the foot with bad products. Eos R is a sales disaster because of it’s limitations, but it doesnt seem to occur to anyone at canon that they need to stop doing what they are doing currently and change. Nope, let’s continue with products no one wants, we’ll be fine ! A mirrorless 1d was needed 6 month ago for a low price to make everyone believe the company can still actually deliver something. But apparently not. Let’s put 3k lenses on amateur bodies that makes a lot of sense ! Marvelous !
Sounds like a miserable guy to me. I find copulation to be a wonderful thing."Mirrors and copulation are abominable, for they they both multiply the number of men."
Jorge Luis Borges