I only want to know, will it have the same processor as the R5 and will it record the 4K using HEVC? If yes, I'm sold. If no, I'll stick with my Panasonic for video for now. Bummer I won't find out until July!
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Will be interesting to watch how Leica as a luxury brand now fares financially...
I've been around CR long enough, but thanks for your unsolicited adviceFair enough. If you read my response you will notice I never mentioned "No one..." or "Everyone...". However in 2 places I could have inserted words such as "in my opinion..." etc. So I have gone back and done that. I do pause before submitting my posts - re-reading them many times. I also edit them afterwards if I think I should have worded them differently. And yes, I will strive to be even more careful in the future. Probably some on this site could try to be more careful, ... you might want to consider it, too.
If you can afford a R5 and instead choose to get a R6, then I'm glad you're happy with that choice. If you can post your reasons for that decision, then please do so for me and others to consider so that we can all make better choices. We're all better off with Canon offering both.
I think it was good, he just missed the "$3," in front of the 599.00I think you missplaced the "."
I'm surprised by the number of people on this forum who seem to have already decided that they are not only going to buy one of these two bodies, but which one they are buying and how much it is going to cost. All based on rumors and advertising, without any solid details about either camera, their performance or the real price.
Now it's just a matter of waiting for the inevitable cries of disappointment when reality fails to match up with the fantasy. That will provide months of entertainment.
Is it strange for me to wonder that if the R6 has everything a potential customer wanted but since it only had 20 mp they would pass on it? I find that bizarre. Fallout of the megapickles war of the 00's and teens. Give me IQ and DR improvements over the 5D3 with an R5 style body and I'm in. I don't care if they manage it with 12mp.
"this product"To be fair, it's not like folks are waving around a blank check for a big question mark of a camera. We know an awful lot about this product, and folks are generally realistic about the limits that we're likely to hit, especially on the video side. But there's no reason to double the big stuff, especially from a stills perspective:
- 12/20 shooting. Canon has cameras that can do this. With the removal of the mirror, there's no reason why faster mechanical rates can't come to the 5 series
- 45 MP with good DR. Canon's recent chips have been great for DR, and we know canon can make high res sensors
- Auto focus has been proven out quite well with the 1DX3
- The biggest question mark for me is EVF lag and performance, but we know good EVFs exist out there (Sony, Leica) and I don't really see a reason why there won't be a marked improvement from the R.
Anyways, if Canon drops this at $4500+ there are going to be a lot of storm und drang. But those just aren't the signals Canon has been sending.
You know the 1DX Mk III only has one Digic Processor right? It has the newly developed DIGIC X processor.Absolutely - and the iDX III will have multiple digics involved in that processing, as opposed to the R6's one. It may well be the same sensor, but this shows up the limited role sensors play in camera performance in 2020.
Actually I hadn't noticed that, I'd assumed it had a separate AF-based chip, but looking at the specs it has: "a single processor that replaces two DIGIC 6+ processors in the previous EOS-1D X Mark II camera." Pretty remarkable!You know the 1DX Mk III only has one Digic Processor right? It has the newly developed DIGIC X processor.
Actually I hadn't noticed that, I'd assumed it had a separate AF-based chip, but looking at the specs it has: "a single processor that replaces two DIGIC 6+ processors in the previous EOS-1D X Mark II camera." Pretty remarkable!
During viewfinder shooting, the EOS-1D X Mark III adds a dedicated DIGIC 8 processor, previously Canon’s highest-performance processor, strictly for AF management and control of the 400,000 pixel RGB metering sensor.
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If you can afford a R5 and instead choose to get a R6, then I'm glad you're happy with that choice. If you can post your reasons for that decision, then please do so for me and others to consider so that we can all make better choices. We're all better off with Canon offering both.
Thanks for your detailed reply. It seems that you don't need the high end video specs that the R5 is coming out with and as a "B" camera you don't need whatever other features it has over the R6. That makes a lot of sense.I'm in the same situation, and registered an account just to answer you.
As of now, I mainly do broadcast work (both with big cameras and smaller productions), and small docs/news/journalistic type work, and event type videos. But I also deliver photos, and have that as mostly a hobby and smaller part of my income, often at the same time as I do broadcast. Still enjoy it as much as a hobby/ fun income projects.
So, why will I probably go for the R6 over R5? Right now, I got a Canon XA50 for video. It has XLR, and covers my needs, for the most part. A R6 will not cover what I am missing. What I'm missing, a updated C100 II would give me. The problem with the C100 II is that its old and not 4K recording. It just does not make sense for me to buy that old of an camera when my XA50 has 4K. Not that I need that as of now, but still. Could of course buy a C200, but not looking to buy a Cinema camera this year, and not next year either. Not needing RAW, and it has some other minor things that could be different.
So the R6 would for me be as a B or C camera. Right now I got a Nikon D5300, with a 16-80 2.8-4 lens. And I'm really happy with it, the image quality is great for me. Only thing missing is better low light and autofocus in video. And, for video, also matching colors and a bit more "cinematic" quality, plus dual card slots. I got that on my XA50, also a Cinema camera will have it, so therefor, for me the R6 should have it.
Simply, I don't need, or want to know that I have 8K, 4K 120p, RAW etc.
So, for photo camera together with me filming for videos, or as a C cam in broadcasting, the R6 seems great for me.
Hope this explains it clear, but please ask if you have questions or thoughts as I am more than happy to answer.
Thanks for your detailed reply. It seems that you don't need the high end video specs that the R5 is coming out with and as a "B" camera you don't need whatever other features it has over the R6. That makes a lot of sense.
So, in your case, the main (or only?) driving factor to get the R6 is a reduced cost for B camera use, I assume?
The only other issue I could imagine is if you think the larger pixels in it's 20MP sensor vs R5 45MP sensor would give you better low light quality? I'm curious if that was part of the decision, as that question seems to be an endlessly argued debate. I think it will only truly be answered when both are released and thoroughly tested. My guess is that there will be no appreciable difference, but we'll see.
But only guaranteed virus free LeicasIn a pandemic, the rich are still rich. They will continue to buy Leicas unabated.
Yeah, good question, but this was just a joke, so let's try more serious guessing. I personally expect the R5 to come on the same price level like the 5D cameras, including a typical inflation with every new model. The 5D Mk IV hit the European market with € 4000, when it was new, the 5D Mk III in 2011 with about € 3100, so that logic would go for € 4999 for Europe as an initial price. Main competitors are currently the Nikon Z7 (body:€ 3000), the Sony A9 and A7RIV (both € 3600 for the bodies). Since the step from the 5D II to III, Canon really changed their pricing strategy to a premium level. So I'd expect something around € 4000 and higher for Europe. If it will come cheaper, all the better for us.But look at how many more people think the R5 will come out *above* $3,500 - many mentioning prices up to (and sometimes beyond) $6,000. Now a seasoned betting man would recognize this and decide to give "odds" as appropriate. So if you feel strongly that it will be $3,500 or more (as I assume you do) then what odds would you be willing to give in order to make the bet?
This is a precise definition of the Internet as a wholeAll based on rumors and advertising
Yeah, I thought your comment was more in fun, which my reply was also.Yeah, good question, but this was just a joke, so let's try more serious guessing. I personally expect the R5 to come on the same price level like the 5D cameras, including a typical inflation with every new model. The 5D Mk IV hit the European market with € 4000, when it was new, the 5D Mk III in 2011 with about € 3100, so that logic would go for € 4999 for Europe as an initial price. Main competitors are currently the Nikon Z7 (body:€ 3000), the Sony A9 and A7RIV (both € 3600 for the bodies). Since the step from the 5D II to III, Canon really changed their pricing strategy to a premium level. So I'd expect something around € 4000 and higher for Europe. If it will come cheaper, all the better for us.
Remember the "Oil Shock" in the seventies?In a pandemic, the rich are still rich. They will continue to buy Leicas unabated.