No new EOS R body shipping in 2019 [CR2]

Go Wild

EOS 80D
Dec 8, 2014
100
41
Personally, I love my canon DSLRs and for stills I think that they are the best option out there, but for video I wonder why it is that my P/S camera outperforms it?

You can like something and still be critical of its flaws.
That´s the BIG thing, thank you so much Don! That´s my point!

I love Canon, but don´t like this specific thing - Video specs. And that´s what I criticize. I Love my 1dx mkII for stills, just love it! I did tried one Sony A9 but it´s a no for me changing the 1dx mkII for the Sony A9. Despite the size and weight!

My only point is this one....Canon should be much more faster responding to this new market and they must stop restraining things in video! Ok...we are not expecting the specs of a C200 but...at least releasing some "must have" specs in video.

I´m done...a lot of posts about this "problem" that is mine...I am sorry for the longevity of the posts, just trying to talk with you guys about my "pains"....:) We shouldn´t always praise! Hearing complains makes the companies grow up and be more attention to customers! ;)

Thank you all for listening....and please...stop calling trolls to everybody that have complains about Canon products, or some specific "mistakes" of the brand! At least me...I just love a good photo/video chat!! And yes...probably I will wait for the big brother of the EOS R. (unless Sony make som magic before!! :D )
 

SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
804
22
Here is the biggie though on why I have changed. I was so disappointed with the low light performance of the eosr, as anything above 1600 iso is unusable and sometimes at Weddings you gotta go 3200 in low light venues.
what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop.


 
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"what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop."

You tried printing these out to a large size for clients? Would be interesting to find out how they look blown up?

"You may find the Sony better, but to call 1600 on the Canon 'unusable' is ridiculous hyperbole."

I said anything above 1600, ....meaning 1600 is usable.

I honestly think the eosr performs far worse than the 6d in terms of low light performance. At least with the 6d the noise is 'nice noise' (more of a grain). Again, this is just my personal opinion and I still love Canon and their lenses. I'm still invested in the company and I want them to shift their arse in gear a bit more. Some usable video features would be nice and for that we really need ibis.

Nothing tops the 16-35mm wide lens and it works almost perfectly on the a7iii with the metabones v adapter, and same goes for my favourite lens, ...the 2.8 IS 70 - 200mm
 

Hector1970

EOS 6D MK II
Mar 22, 2012
991
82
"what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop."

You tried printing these out to a large size for clients? Would be interesting to find out how they look blown up?

"You may find the Sony better, but to call 1600 on the Canon 'unusable' is ridiculous hyperbole."

I said anything above 1600, ....meaning 1600 is usable.

I honestly think the eosr performs far worse than the 6d in terms of low light performance. At least with the 6d the noise is 'nice noise' (more of a grain). Again, this is just my personal opinion and I still love Canon and their lenses. I'm still invested in the company and I want them to shift their arse in gear a bit more. Some usable video features would be nice and for that we really need ibis.

Nothing tops the 16-35mm wide lens and it works almost perfectly on the a7iii with the metabones v adapter, and same goes for my favourite lens, ...the 2.8 IS 70 - 200mm
You are just expressing your opinion about what you like from your camera in terms of ISO performance. I think its a very valid comment. Someone else might disagree but it doesn't have to be vehemently disagree. You can hold a different perspective to other people and be quite happy with the ISO at 3200 or 6400.
I find with the 5DIV sometimes I am and sometimes I'm not with photos at 6400 ISO.
Sometimes I'm posting on Facebook and its completely acceptable. Other times it might be for a client and its just not good enough (but not terrible by any means).
The 5DSR I don't like at all at 1600 ISO or above. I think I have a bad camera - noise is mushy not grainy.
I still love Canon especially the lens. Thankfully I don't shoot video - it doesn't seem to be the best choice for video. For Stills I think Canon are still excellent.
Yes I'd like a mirrorless camera that improves upon the 5D IV with dual slots (because maybe I'm irrationally scared of memory cards not working at crucial moments - I've had a few cards fall apart and a few cards that wouldn't read). It looks like I'm going to have to wait a while.
I don't think I'd move to Sony but the A7R III is a tempting camera. A friend has one and its good. I believe Canon have the capability to match or better it but are in no rush as they have plenty of RP cameras to sell.
 

Kit Lens Jockey

EOS 7D MK II
Nov 12, 2016
461
153
"what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop."

You tried printing these out to a large size for clients? Would be interesting to find out how they look blown up?

"You may find the Sony better, but to call 1600 on the Canon 'unusable' is ridiculous hyperbole."

I said anything above 1600, ....meaning 1600 is usable.

I honestly think the eosr performs far worse than the 6d in terms of low light performance. At least with the 6d the noise is 'nice noise' (more of a grain). Again, this is just my personal opinion and I still love Canon and their lenses. I'm still invested in the company and I want them to shift their arse in gear a bit more. Some usable video features would be nice and for that we really need ibis.

Nothing tops the 16-35mm wide lens and it works almost perfectly on the a7iii with the metabones v adapter, and same goes for my favourite lens, ...the 2.8 IS 70 - 200mm
I'm not going to put my head in the sand and say that Sony doesn't outperform the EOS R in many ways. However, you talk about adapting lenses, and I did not feel that Canon lenses performed all that well on a Sony A7iii.

It's a miracle that they work as well as they do, and it's certainly not awful, but I encountered way too many instances where the Canon lenses would be hunting around in low light. Once my 70-200 2.8ii would not even focus on something very high contrast outside in daylight. It just wasn't acceptable for me. I'm surprised you find the adapted Canon lenses to work well enough for weddings.

I tried both the Sigma and Metabones adapters, by the way.
 
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Seems to me like a 7d iii or 5d V release this year, with the 7d iii far more likely.
All other "high-end" dsrl models are likely going to be transitioned into mirrorles. only those two (and the 1dx iii, in 2020) are heavily autofocus dependant and thus a dslr instead of mirrorles is the better choice for canon right now.
What do you mean by "heavily autofocus dependant"? Thanks!
 

tiggy@mac.com

Pentax K-1000
Jan 20, 2014
468
142
Thetford, VT
www.ForestMetrix.com
what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop.


I'm jealous of Sony capabilities in several areas, but high ISO noise levels isn't one of them. 5D4 sensor at 6400 ISO does pretty well. I wonder if you have a settings issue. If you're using highlight protection or something else that might be pushing things around by a stop or so. You might try a reset and see what you get.
 

Cryve

EOS T7i
Jul 4, 2018
80
19
Germany
What do you mean by "heavily autofocus dependant"? Thanks!
canons autofocus in their MILC isnt as advanced as it has to be for sports, action or wildlifephotography.
But they probably want to transition most if not all of their DSLR camera lines into MILC.
So they are going to do that except for those cameras that are expected to perform well in the autofocus department,
like 1dx ii, 5d series, 7d series.

Thus, if they bring out a DSLR in the summer i expect it to be of a series like the 7d or 5d series, that has good continuous autofocus as
one of their main qualitys.
 

Don Haines

Beware of cats with laser eyes!
Jun 4, 2012
7,873
1,196
Canada
canons autofocus in their MILC isnt as advanced as it has to be for sports, action or wildlifephotography.
But they probably want to transition most if not all of their DSLR camera lines into MILC.
So they are going to do that except for those cameras that are expected to perform well in the autofocus department,
like 1dx ii, 5d series, 7d series.

Thus, if they bring out a DSLR in the summer i expect it to be of a series like the 7d or 5d series, that has good continuous autofocus as
one of their main qualitys.
Due to the nature of the beast, AF on a Mirrorless camera takes a lot more processing power than on a DSLR. I expect that when we see the high end Canon Mirrorless cameras show up, that we will be seeing things like quad (octal?) digic8 processors. Once again, look at the high end Oly and Panasonic..... the defining hardware feature is the processing power! Canon will follow suit.
 

dba101

EOS M50
Sep 11, 2018
29
38
Ohh....about my photos...I make more than 60.000€ by year, so they must have some quality. ;)
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fantasy land. Off with the pixies.
 
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Normalnorm

EOS 7D MK II
Dec 25, 2012
460
69
My passion?? Is more like my frustration...!! :D I "started" to leave Canon when I bought a Sony A7r3. With the mc-11 adapter i can use my canon glass with "almost" no problem. So it´s not a jump in the dark, if that day comes (leaving Canon) it will be a slow process (and probably yes...will make me lose some money.) However, even buying the A7R3 (witch i do love), I always thought that this camera was somehow temporary and Canon would respond with better hybrid cameras. Sony launched the A7r3 in October 2017, and next month they will launch a new firmware update witch will give more focusing skills to the camera! Eye AF? Well, i am shooting Eye AF for one and half years now!! How about Canon shooters?? :D Probably they are getting the firmware update now! Yes, I shoot with IBIS for 1 and half year! Canon users? Nope....But let me just say this, i don´t value so much ibis, I value more IS sistem in lenses. I am shooting video with a fullframe sensor and getting a fullframe image in 4k! Canon? Yeahh....just don´t have it! Let me just say again, I often shoot in crop mode in Sony, and use a lot the 1dxmkII to film, and shooting in fullframe is not a game changer for me, but is great to have it! Ohh...what about Log? Yeaahh I have a 6000€ camera from canon that shoots great video...but with no C-log and the worst thing...with a 20 year old codec that produces huge files! :D

What is so strange to me....is that this things are evidences! I am not making this up! Canon already assumed in an interview that they didn´t respond well to the change in the market. But even with this, i got called a "troll" in this forum and "slammed" just because I am criticizing Canon!! :D Why? Because i am angry that Canon is saying for us not to expect new EOS R cameras in 2019!! And this seems to be....normal to everybody! :D
I am not happy criticizing Canon, not happy at all!!! I would LOVE that canon launch a great hybrid camera! With no drawbacks, with no restraining things!! Just giving what people that shoots video with this cameras want! (Yes, for me the problem of Canon is the video, for stills cameras continue to be excelent). So, yes! If Canon launches a great camera I will sell my Sony one and get a Canon! Yes I am a CANON FAN! And yes, I am frustrated with Canon. I understand if most of you don´t understand me...But this are my thoughts ,fair or unfair, this are my needs as a photographer/videographer that lives 100% from image!! My best regards to everybody! Even to those who called me...a troll!! :D
I don't think you are a troll. I think you have strong feelings. You might be a troll if you live under a bridge.
 

Pape

EOS 80D
Dec 31, 2018
152
45
I believe sony cameras remove more noise than canon,what is good for their nerd users who may not know how do it with photoediting?
 

SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
804
22
I'm jealous of Sony capabilities in several areas, but high ISO noise levels isn't one of them. 5D4 sensor at 6400 ISO does pretty well. I wonder if you have a settings issue. If you're using highlight protection or something else that might be pushing things around by a stop or so. You might try a reset and see what you get.
thanks tiggy, I have no issues with 5DIV files, not a single one :) you replied to a wrong poster.
p.s. I tried shooting some sports with Sony A7RII yesterday. the evf screen flickering gives me a mighty headache. having histogram overlay in viewfinder is a nice feature though.
 

SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
804
22
"what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop."

You tried printing these out to a large size for clients? Would be interesting to find out how they look blown up?

"You may find the Sony better, but to call 1600 on the Canon 'unusable' is ridiculous hyperbole."

I said anything above 1600, ....meaning 1600 is usable.

I honestly think the eosr performs far worse than the 6d in terms of low light performance. At least with the 6d the noise is 'nice noise' (more of a grain). Again, this is just my personal opinion and I still love Canon and their lenses. I'm still invested in the company and I want them to shift their arse in gear a bit more. Some usable video features would be nice and for that we really need ibis.

Nothing tops the 16-35mm wide lens and it works almost perfectly on the a7iii with the metabones v adapter, and same goes for my favourite lens, ...the 2.8 IS 70 - 200mm

I am seriously struggling to understand your logic or the lack thereof. sorry.. you now brought 6d in the mix, printing large... what is that has to do with 5div file quality at iso 6400?
I look at file at 1:1 resolution and they are nice and clean. run DXO Photolab Prime noise reduction over your files at iso 3200 and see if you like the result.
 

LSXPhotog

EOS RP
Apr 2, 2015
307
109
www.diossiphotography.com
Can you get the R to backup to a phone or pad while you are shooting? That would be a great way to get backup without a second card.
Yes, but it's honestly not a reliable alternative. As soon as you turn the camera off to change lenses or it goes into sleep mode you have to get everything set back up again - that alone makes it unrealistic. I have used it in the past, however. I was shooting product photos at a restaurant for their menu and never changed lenses. It worked out nice.
 

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
3,135
315
"what a pile of bollocks ... up to iso 4600 you are just fine. I am pushing iso 6400 with my 5D IV's all the time, EOS R sensor is almost as good in low light. 5dIV is winning by 1/10 of a stop."

You tried printing these out to a large size for clients? Would be interesting to find out how they look blown up?

"You may find the Sony better, but to call 1600 on the Canon 'unusable' is ridiculous hyperbole."

I said anything above 1600, ....meaning 1600 is usable.

I honestly think the eosr performs far worse than the 6d in terms of low light performance. At least with the 6d the noise is 'nice noise' (more of a grain). Again, this is just my personal opinion and I still love Canon and their lenses. I'm still invested in the company and I want them to shift their arse in gear a bit more. Some usable video features would be nice and for that we really need ibis.

Nothing tops the 16-35mm wide lens and it works almost perfectly on the a7iii with the metabones v adapter, and same goes for my favourite lens, ...the 2.8 IS 70 - 200mm
Point taken. But I used the work 'hyperbole' very carefully: this does not negate your opinion but I think it is overstated. My gut reaction comes from people confusing 'I don't like it' and 'unusable' because I would ask unusable for whom? (Pros learn to put their personal preferences aside if it delivers images that sell). There are those who say Canon gear is unusable because you can't push images 5 stops. z
 

Silverstream

EOS M50
Dec 11, 2011
40
25
57
A paper cut bleeds. Hemorrhaging is life threatening. Sony is not a big player. Sony's total market share has not changed much either way in the last 10 years (14% vs Canon's 50%). When Q1 reports are released for 2019... I'm going to declare that Canon is hammering and eviscerating Sony. I'll use those exact words regardless of the Q1 results simply because I like to chum it up with you dramatic Sony types. BTW: I also measure what's going on in the market by what my two friends are doing. Interesting that you choose a used 1DX Mark II over a new Sony.
FYI, I now have a Canon 1DX mkII, 5DmkIV, 6DmkII, Eos R, 5DmkIII and a 77D. So its really kind of funny that you think I am a Sony Type.

I am just a realist and am aware of other brands and how they are doing. 5 yrs ago, Sony was a nothing in the full frame arena. Now they are a major player and have some damn good equipment. I may be a Canon guy but I know a good number who have left. I am optimistic about Canon though and feel their two initial bodies in the full frame mirrorless market are fairly strong entries particularly the RP at that price point.