No new EOS R body shipping in 2019 [CR2]

Normalnorm

EOS 7D MK II
Dec 25, 2012
459
69
True...but, I strongly suspect that the great two-card slot debate gets a lot more attention on this forum than it does in real life. It would be interesting to see how many photographers actually set their cameras to shoot and save to both cards. I suspect it is like AFMA. A lot of photographers know they should probably do it, but very few working pros actually do.
I have had a dual slot camera since the 1DmkII. I almost never used two cards even though I was a working pro. I did use two cards on occasion when I was very concerned about reliability but I never had a card failure.
I DID have card failures three times over the years but never total card failures with total loss of files. Rather it was single file corruption and as I had multiple frames I did not suffer a loss.
A few years ago I started using two cards all the time. I STILL have not had even a partial failure (shooting 2k-5k frames a month) but I feel very nervous if I venture out without a second card in the slot.

Anecdotally, I have heard about photographers claiming card failure as an excuse for not delivering images that were so bad they were ashamed to show them.
I have zero idea as to the frequency of this but I am confident it exceeds once.
 
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Normalnorm

EOS 7D MK II
Dec 25, 2012
459
69
How come this can be interpreted has...."normal" or without surprise? Canon is 3 years behind! They have answered to a change in the market in a terrible slower way! In the same way How come the lenses can serve as an excuse?? No way!! RF adapters and the existing lenses can give Canon the confidence to launch a Pro body! If they don´t launch it is because they don´t have it!
I don´t believe i am saying this.....but i see the good bye Canon, closer and closer....
I would note that your passion on the issue is a balm to Canon as they know you will most likely to be the first to pull the trigger on the next body irrespective of price.
Most Canon users are unlikely to switch as they are either indifferent to the issues raised on these boards or are so deep into Canon glass and bodies they can't leave short of an expensive exit.
The only way I could leave without taking a bath on my gear would be to switch to Fuji, Oly, or Panasonic. All decent cameras but not likely to give me any advantages beyond portability. Arguably the differences in IQ to go to Nikon or Sony (SoKon?) are small enough that I would be paying a steep premium for something my clients can't see. Except, of course, for my fumbling and cursing my new gear.
 

Go Wild

EOS 80D
Dec 8, 2014
100
41
I would note that your passion on the issue is a balm to Canon as they know you will most likely to be the first to pull the trigger on the next body irrespective of price.
Most Canon users are unlikely to switch as they are either indifferent to the issues raised on these boards or are so deep into Canon glass and bodies they can't leave short of an expensive exit.
The only way I could leave without taking a bath on my gear would be to switch to Fuji, Oly, or Panasonic. All decent cameras but not likely to give me any advantages beyond portability. Arguably the differences in IQ to go to Nikon or Sony (SoKon?) are small enough that I would be paying a steep premium for something my clients can't see. Except, of course, for my fumbling and cursing my new gear.
My passion?? Is more like my frustration...!! :D I "started" to leave Canon when I bought a Sony A7r3. With the mc-11 adapter i can use my canon glass with "almost" no problem. So it´s not a jump in the dark, if that day comes (leaving Canon) it will be a slow process (and probably yes...will make me lose some money.) However, even buying the A7R3 (witch i do love), I always thought that this camera was somehow temporary and Canon would respond with better hybrid cameras. Sony launched the A7r3 in October 2017, and next month they will launch a new firmware update witch will give more focusing skills to the camera! Eye AF? Well, i am shooting Eye AF for one and half years now!! How about Canon shooters?? :D Probably they are getting the firmware update now! Yes, I shoot with IBIS for 1 and half year! Canon users? Nope....But let me just say this, i don´t value so much ibis, I value more IS sistem in lenses. I am shooting video with a fullframe sensor and getting a fullframe image in 4k! Canon? Yeahh....just don´t have it! Let me just say again, I often shoot in crop mode in Sony, and use a lot the 1dxmkII to film, and shooting in fullframe is not a game changer for me, but is great to have it! Ohh...what about Log? Yeaahh I have a 6000€ camera from canon that shoots great video...but with no C-log and the worst thing...with a 20 year old codec that produces huge files! :D

What is so strange to me....is that this things are evidences! I am not making this up! Canon already assumed in an interview that they didn´t respond well to the change in the market. But even with this, i got called a "troll" in this forum and "slammed" just because I am criticizing Canon!! :D Why? Because i am angry that Canon is saying for us not to expect new EOS R cameras in 2019!! And this seems to be....normal to everybody! :D
I am not happy criticizing Canon, not happy at all!!! I would LOVE that canon launch a great hybrid camera! With no drawbacks, with no restraining things!! Just giving what people that shoots video with this cameras want! (Yes, for me the problem of Canon is the video, for stills cameras continue to be excelent). So, yes! If Canon launches a great camera I will sell my Sony one and get a Canon! Yes I am a CANON FAN! And yes, I am frustrated with Canon. I understand if most of you don´t understand me...But this are my thoughts ,fair or unfair, this are my needs as a photographer/videographer that lives 100% from image!! My best regards to everybody! Even to those who called me...a troll!! :D
 
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Lacikuss

EOS 6D/RX100IV
Jan 27, 2019
3
0
Canon is developing the new Pro-R for teh Olympics, if they don't launch it in 2019 it is because they are still developing the technology or fine tuning it to make it a sure thing, nothing more. I only wish they would use Sony sensors though.
 

SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
200
64
Dreaming? You really think I'm dreaming? Are you saying that…
By the way, I'm sorry for my poor english, it is not a language I use frequently.
Your English is better than my German or Japanese, that I've used daily for 25 years!

And sorry. Yes. Your list is all very practical and should be deliverable. I shouldn't have said "dreaming," I should have said "making wish lists".
 
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Yasko

EOS 80D
Jun 9, 2017
107
16
i just put it out there as a possibility, but jeah its far too early for that. But what else could be meant with a "high end" dslr?

i can only see a 7d iii
the 80d series will probably be killed off and will be /is already replaced with the m50 (series)
Replaced by the M50?
I think this kit is not capable enough. The 80D always was a good standard in between „beginner“ and „pro“ regarding sports etc. The M50 is a great little camera but doesn‘t live up to these standards I think.
The M5 is more near to the 80D, although it feels a little bit like we won‘t see another M5-ish camera in the future :( (more like a M5 with an R Mount).
 

dba101

EOS M50
Sep 11, 2018
29
38
My passion?? Is more like my frustration...!! :D I "started" to leave Canon when I bought a Sony A7r3. With the mc-11 adapter i can use my canon glass with "almost" no problem. So it´s not a jump in the dark, if that day comes (leaving Canon) it will be a slow process (and probably yes...will make me lose some money.) However, even buying the A7R3 (witch i do love), I always thought that this camera was somehow temporary and Canon would respond with better hybrid cameras. Sony launched the A7r3 in October 2017, and next month they will launch a new firmware update witch will give more focusing skills to the camera! Eye AF? Well, i am shooting Eye AF for one and half years now!! How about Canon shooters?? :D Probably they are getting the firmware update now! Yes, I shoot with IBIS for 1 and half year! Canon users? Nope....But let me just say this, i don´t value so much ibis, I value more IS sistem in lenses. I am shooting video with a fullframe sensor and getting a fullframe image in 4k! Canon? Yeahh....just don´t have it! Let me just say again, I often shoot in crop mode in Sony, and use a lot the 1dxmkII to film, and shooting in fullframe is not a game changer for me, but is great to have it! Ohh...what about Log? Yeaahh I have a 6000€ camera from canon that shoots great video...but with no C-log and the worst thing...with a 20 year old codec that produces huge files! :D

What is so strange to me....is that this things are evidences! I am not making this up! Canon already assumed in an interview that they didn´t respond well to the change in the market. But even with this, i got called a "troll" in this forum and "slammed" just because I am criticizing Canon!! :D Why? Because i am angry that Canon is saying for us not to expect new EOS R cameras in 2019!! And this seems to be....normal to everybody! :D
I am not happy criticizing Canon, not happy at all!!! I would LOVE that canon launch a great hybrid camera! With no drawbacks, with no restraining things!! Just giving what people that shoots video with this cameras want! (Yes, for me the problem of Canon is the video, for stills cameras continue to be excelent). So, yes! If Canon launches a great camera I will sell my Sony one and get a Canon! Yes I am a CANON FAN! And yes, I am frustrated with Canon. I understand if most of you don´t understand me...But this are my thoughts ,fair or unfair, this are my needs as a photographer/videographer that lives 100% from image!! My best regards to everybody! Even to those who called me...a troll!! :D
Why not start the week infiltrating a well informed forum with some apologetic monotony. Your photos must be equally stunning with an outlook like that.
 

Go Wild

EOS 80D
Dec 8, 2014
100
41
Why not start the week infiltrating a well informed forum with some apologetic monotony. Your photos must be equally stunning with an outlook like that.
This Forum should be called "Canon Praisers" not Canon Rumors...! :) I don´t like this rumor and i gave my opinion! Can I do that? Or should i say: " Thank you, thank you Canon by not giving me a the camera I need so I can spend 3,500$! I am sorry for disturbing you and your beginning of week! I just explain my reasons why I was frustrated with Canon. Just that!!!!
Ohh....about my photos...I make more than 60.000€ by year, so they must have some quality. ;)
 

scyrene

EOR R
Dec 4, 2013
2,365
197
UK
www.flickr.com
This Forum should be called "Canon Praisers" not Canon Rumors...! :) I don´t like this rumor and i gave my opinion! Can I do that? Or should i say: " Thank you, thank you Canon by not giving me a the camera I need so I can spend 3,500$! I am sorry for disturbing you and your beginning of week! I just explain my reasons why I was frustrated with Canon. Just that!!!!
Ohh....about my photos...I make more than 60.000€ by year, so they must have some quality. ;)
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LSXPhotog

EOS RP
Apr 2, 2015
307
109
www.diossiphotography.com
I'm slightly...well, extremely disappointed in this news. I absolutely love the EOS R and I didn't expect it to replace my 5D Mark IV last year, but it did. I now shoot with it alongside my 1DX Mark II and I would love to go fully mirrorless at a wedding or some events. I was looking forward to getting a new, high megapixel sensor from Canon with dual cards later this year...but if they aren't going to release anything, do I just buy another EOS R? I'm not opposed to that idea, but I really didn't want to invest in a second camera body with a single card slot. The only thing I really miss is the dual cards for weddings and events.

That said, I can't wait for the day that I am using all RF cameras. This EOS R has become the greatest camera I've ever used. So if I could get an enhanced version of it in a 5D4/5DS type camera or even a 1DX type camera, I would jump all over it.
 
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Don Haines

Beware of cats with laser eyes!
Jun 4, 2012
7,864
1,183
Canada
I'm slightly...well, extremely disappointed in this news. I absolutely love the EOS R and I didn't expect it to replace my 5D Mark IV last year, but it did. I now shoot with it alongside my 1DX Mark II and I would love to go fully mirrorless at a wedding or some events. I was looking forward to getting a new, high megapixel sensor from Canon with dual cards later this year...but if they aren't going to release anything, do I just buy another EOS R? I'm not opposed to that idea, but I really didn't want to invest in a second camera body with a single card slot. The only thing I really miss is the dual cards for weddings and events.

That said, I can't wait for the day that I am using all RF cameras. This EOS R has become the greatest camera I've ever used. So if I could get an enhanced version of it in a 5D4/5DS type camera or even a 1DX type camera, I would jump all over it.
Can you get the R to backup to a phone or pad while you are shooting? That would be a great way to get backup without a second card.
 
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Architect1776

Defining the poetics of space through Architecture
Aug 18, 2017
166
133
117
Williamsport, PA
My passion?? Is more like my frustration...!! :D I "started" to leave Canon when I bought a Sony A7r3. With the mc-11 adapter i can use my canon glass with "almost" no problem. So it´s not a jump in the dark, if that day comes (leaving Canon) it will be a slow process (and probably yes...will make me lose some money.) However, even buying the A7R3 (witch i do love), I always thought that this camera was somehow temporary and Canon would respond with better hybrid cameras. Sony launched the A7r3 in October 2017, and next month they will launch a new firmware update witch will give more focusing skills to the camera! Eye AF? Well, i am shooting Eye AF for one and half years now!! How about Canon shooters?? :D Probably they are getting the firmware update now! Yes, I shoot with IBIS for 1 and half year! Canon users? Nope....But let me just say this, i don´t value so much ibis, I value more IS sistem in lenses. I am shooting video with a fullframe sensor and getting a fullframe image in 4k! Canon? Yeahh....just don´t have it! Let me just say again, I often shoot in crop mode in Sony, and use a lot the 1dxmkII to film, and shooting in fullframe is not a game changer for me, but is great to have it! Ohh...what about Log? Yeaahh I have a 6000€ camera from canon that shoots great video...but with no C-log and the worst thing...with a 20 year old codec that produces huge files! :D

What is so strange to me....is that this things are evidences! I am not making this up! Canon already assumed in an interview that they didn´t respond well to the change in the market. But even with this, i got called a "troll" in this forum and "slammed" just because I am criticizing Canon!! :D Why? Because i am angry that Canon is saying for us not to expect new EOS R cameras in 2019!! And this seems to be....normal to everybody! :D
I am not happy criticizing Canon, not happy at all!!! I would LOVE that canon launch a great hybrid camera! With no drawbacks, with no restraining things!! Just giving what people that shoots video with this cameras want! (Yes, for me the problem of Canon is the video, for stills cameras continue to be excelent). So, yes! If Canon launches a great camera I will sell my Sony one and get a Canon! Yes I am a CANON FAN! And yes, I am frustrated with Canon. I understand if most of you don´t understand me...But this are my thoughts ,fair or unfair, this are my needs as a photographer/videographer that lives 100% from image!! My best regards to everybody! Even to those who called me...a troll!! :D
Your FF Sony 4K is really half FF as the camera skips every other line for the FF 4K. So it is not the FF being used, just 1/2 of it being spread all over the sensor.
Canon has decided to make the 4K match closely to their video cameras so switching from video camera to the RP there is not a major difference in look.

Perhaps some day Canon will have a FF 4K like their top of the line Cinema camera does. But most all of us could care less. I have used video on my camera 2 times in years and I believe honest people will say the same unless they are video freaks. And if they are truly serious then they will get real cinema equipment and do real work with their production team. Otherwise it is just vacation shots boring people to death like the super 8 home movies of yore.
 
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Pape

EOS 80D
Dec 31, 2018
149
44
This RP viewfinder is cool toy ,with 300mm tube and 5x dicital zoom i get 30x nightvision telescope just for watching things :)
 
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Don Haines

Beware of cats with laser eyes!
Jun 4, 2012
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Your FF Sony 4K is really half FF as the camera skips every other line for the FF 4K. So it is not the FF being used, just 1/2 of it being spread all over the sensor.
Canon has decided to make the 4K match closely to their video cameras so switching from video camera to the RP there is not a major difference in look.

Perhaps some day Canon will have a FF 4K like their top of the line Cinema camera does. But most all of us could care less. I have used video on my camera 2 times in years and I believe honest people will say the same unless they are video freaks. And if they are truly serious then they will get real cinema equipment and do real work with their production team. Otherwise it is just vacation shots boring people to death like the super 8 home movies of yore.
and cat videos.....
 
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Go Wild

EOS 80D
Dec 8, 2014
100
41
Your FF Sony 4K is really half FF as the camera skips every other line for the FF 4K. So it is not the FF being used, just 1/2 of it being spread all over the sensor.
Canon has decided to make the 4K match closely to their video cameras so switching from video camera to the RP there is not a major difference in look.

Perhaps some day Canon will have a FF 4K like their top of the line Cinema camera does. But most all of us could care less. I have used video on my camera 2 times in years and I believe honest people will say the same unless they are video freaks. And if they are truly serious then they will get real cinema equipment and do real work with their production team. Otherwise it is just vacation shots boring people to death like the super 8 home movies of yore.
Hey Architect, thanks for the answer. Well, i´m not much a tech guy but i do understand your explanation. I thought Sony uses a 5k sensor and downsample to 4k. I don´t know how much of the sensor they use, but the final image is a fullframe images, or pretty much near. They also have the crop mode, that allows you to film in crop 4k (and gives you a little more image quality). But no...EOS R don´t give you the same image quality comparing Sony crop mode and Canon (because canon crops in 1.7x we can´t really compare FF image). The only way you can get better image from eos R is to use an external recorder like Atomos ninja.
But, yes...I can see myself using a EOS R for both video and photo...errrgg....well wait... We have again 120fps at 720p. So that´s a no for video.

Like i said in previous post, i do understand that most of you don´t care about video, and just simply don´t understand people complaining about video specs. I totally understand and I do agree that in stills mode, Canon cameras are pretty much great. Sony sensors are a little bit better, but canon wins in other things. Of course, if you don´t make videos this is just sh*t talk send by some boring guys complaining! :)

However...the market did change, and today I don´t need to use a specific video camera to make videos....I can grab a mirrorless or even a DSLR and make quality videos. That´s why we talk about hybrid cameras! Cameras that can make great video and great photos! The only complain i have about Canon is that they never had invested properly in this "new market" and other brands did it. It seems they always restraining things and never put in one camera important things. One example...Why the hell they didn´t put 1080p 120fps in Canon 5d mkIV? (they put 720p 120fps!! Why bother to make a camera that can record in 4k and then put that spec in 120fps? Well...I can tell you that this was the main reason i didn´t bought this camera. Sony A7r3 give me everything i needed at that time, and couldn´t find in Canon, unless in the 1dxmkII that i own in that time and still keep. Another thing...1dx mkII is a perfectly capable camera for video...but the camera don´t have zebras, focus peaking, C-log, and only output hdmi at 1080p so we can´t use an external recorder (that solves most of the lacking features), because it doesn´t allow you to record on 4k! It just seems that they on purpose put a break in everything! Sony doesn´t do that, you have all those things available. It´s better than Canon, it´s worst than Canon? Don´t know and I don´t care!! But certainly Sony is giving me what i need and that´s the most important!! So what am I doing here? Why I complain? God damn I don´t want to leave Canon!!!!!!! :D


Edit: Ohhh....by the way...Cat videos are FUN!!! :D :D
 
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Don Haines

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Hey Architect, thanks for the answer. Well, i´m not much a tech guy but i do understand your explanation. I thought Sony uses a 5k sensor and downsample to 4k. I don´t know how much of the sensor they use, but the final image is a fullframe images, or pretty much near. They also have the crop mode, that allows you to film in crop 4k (and gives you a little more image quality). But no...EOS R don´t give you the same image quality comparing Sony crop mode and Canon (because canon crops in 1.7x we can´t really compare FF image). The only way you can get better image from eos R is to use an external recorder like Atomos ninja.
But, yes...I can see myself using a EOS R for both video and photo...errrgg....well wait... We have again 120fps at 720p. So that´s a no for video.

Like i said in previous post, i do understand that most of you don´t care about video, and just simply don´t understand people complaining about video specs. I totally understand and I do agree that in stills mode, Canon cameras are pretty much great. Sony sensors are a little bit better, but canon wins in other things. Of course, if you don´t make videos this is just sh*t talk send by some boring guys complaining! :)

However...the market did change, and today I don´t need to use a specific video camera to make videos....I can grab a mirrorless or even a DSLR and make quality videos. That´s why we talk about hybrid cameras! Cameras that can make great video and great photos! The only complain i have about Canon is that they never had invested properly in this "new market" and other brands did it. It seems they always restraining things and never put in one camera important things. One example...Why the hell they didn´t put 1080p 120fps in Canon 5d mkIV? (they put 720p 120fps!! Why bother to make a camera that can record in 4k and then put that spec in 120fps? Well...I can tell you that this was the main reason i didn´t bought this camera. Sony A7r3 give me everything i needed at that time, and couldn´t find in Canon, unless in the 1dxmkII that i own in that time and still keep. Another thing...1dx mkII is a perfectly capable camera for video...but the camera don´t have zebras, focus peaking, C-log, and only output hdmi at 1080p so we can´t use an external recorder (that solves most of the lacking features), because it doesn´t allow you to record on 4k! It just seems that they on purpose put a break in everything! Sony doesn´t do that, you have all those things available. It´s better than Canon, it´s worst than Canon? Don´t know and I don´t care!! But certainly Sony is giving me what i need and that´s the most important!! So what am I doing here? Why I complain? God damn I don´t want to leave Canon!!!!!!! :D


Edit: Ohhh....by the way...Cat videos are FUN!!! :D:D
Personally, I love my canon DSLRs and for stills I think that they are the best option out there, but for video I wonder why it is that my P/S camera outperforms it?

You can like something and still be critical of its flaws.
 
Mar 14, 2019
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I bought two EOSR's for wedding photography and I've had a blast with them. However, it wasn't until I had a shot of the Sony a7iii at one of the weddings that I realised that it trumps the EOSR in every department. I used to hate Sony trolls, but I don't think they are trolling anymore as the a7iii is a beast.

Like someone mentioned earlier, I love my canon lenses and I'm using them on my Sony bodies. I've kept my 70 - 200mm and my 16-35mm (best wide lens by far). I'm still invested in Canon and I look forward to seeing what they come up with to compete with the a7iii.

I can't even begin to list where Sony trumps Canon in the mirrorless market. Dynamic Range, Low Light, AF, Continuous 10fps and ibis which is needed to shoot decent usable video.

Here is the biggie though on why I have changed. I was so disappointed with the low light performance of the eosr, as anything above 1600 iso is unusable and sometimes at Weddings you gotta go 3200 in low light venues.
 
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