Some Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR2]

Luds34

EOS 6D MK II
May 15, 2014
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neuroanatomist said:
ahsanford said:
ricky_005 said:
Let me say this, and you can go ahead and chisel it in the Head stone now .... This round of Canon Bodies will have a very short production run. Canon will screw you all over within another 2 years with the camera they should have gave you in 2017.
You are welcome to say it, but the facts are not on your side. Canon has a decently consistent track record for delivering bodies on a longer timetable than you say.
History suggests ricky and facts are poorly acquainted, at best.
That's great! Thanks for the laugh. :)

I know his whole post isn't quoted up there, but what struck me was the bi-polar nature of it. Starts off complimenting Canon on having a product that he's been more than happy with. Then follows up with a mini diatribe on how Canon is going to screw us all!

At least it's entertaining if nothing else. ;D
 

rrcphoto

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Jun 20, 2013
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neuroanatomist said:
ahsanford said:
ricky_005 said:
Let me say this, and you can go ahead and chisel it in the Head stone now .... This round of Canon Bodies will have a very short production run. Canon will screw you all over within another 2 years with the camera they should have gave you in 2017.
You are welcome to say it, but the facts are not on your side. Canon has a decently consistent track record for delivering bodies on a longer timetable than you say.
History suggests ricky and facts are poorly acquainted, at best.
facts, reality,etc,etc,etc..
 
Jan 20, 2017
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Just joined the forum. Can't post yet. I was thinking about getting a Nikon D750 vs Canon 6D. Then I came across this forum. Apparently know one knows for sure when the 6D2 will be available but is it fairly likely before mid Summer?

Hope this isn't silly question.

Thank you.
Scott Dunham
 

Maiaibing

EOS 6D MK II
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ahsanford said:
Maiaibing said:
1) Not sure if the Northlight chart can be trusted(?). Just glancing on it I can see 5DS/R from beginning of 2015 - but is was not launched before June 2015, thus should start at the half-year mark.

2) Both the 5D and 5DII only waited ~3 years for their successor model to emerge.
No chart is perfect. NL reflects announcement dates and not shipping dates (see the 1DX beating the 5D3, that's consistent with announcement only).

As for the 5d previously being a shorter refresh, back when it was a 3 year refresh, Canon only had 5 lines of cameras. Now they have 13. So I'm not stating in 4.5 years further a 5D5 will show up. I'm just pegging how it has been trending.

And note that not a single product line on that chart is accelerating. With the lower end / P&S $$$ of the photography market disintegrating from the rise of cell phones, the entire industry appears to be lengthening its product lifecycles and increasing price. We're seeing m43 rigs -- body only -- for $2k nowadays!

So the chart is not a train schedule, it's a rough trend of activity. I welcome a better one if you are aware of one.

- A
Think the wiki chart is better (both more accurate and showing release dates - which are the most interesting when talking about when the next updates are available): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS

Have no views on predicted timelines. Waited too long for the 5DIV guessing from 5D/5DII/5DIII releases. At least I got lucky that Canon meanwhile decided to build the 5DS/R. Only positive was I got fantastic value for money using my 5DII's for so long.

Canon has previously said they would try to counter the contracting dslr market with more models but longer life cycles (which is why I give <1% credence to a 5DS/R update anytime soon).
 

ken

Engineer, snapper of photos, player of banjos
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My self-centered view of the world is that I'm *the* target market for the 6D.

- I'm not a professional photographer, but have plenty of need and use for high quality photos.
(ex: Real estate photos for my Realtor spouse, advertising photos for her business and mine, etc.)
- I could easily afford a 5D Mark III or IV, but I don't throw around money casually. (I'm an engineer, so I strive to be practical.)
- Photography is also my hobby, so I'm willing to invest real money into it.

I bought the original 6D (and therefore into the Canon world) for one primary reason... The Nikon D600 was having an issue with oil spots on the sensor. Lots of unhappy Nikon consumers in 2013. So I bought the 6D and have built up my complement of EF lenses. I hope I never feel the need to move away from Canon, but I could afford to if I ever feel the need to.

The things I've loved about my 6D:
- The form factor. I have large hands, but I still think the 5D series are a bit too big.
- Architectural and landscape shooting. It's fantastic at this. It's low-light capabilities are fantastic. If the subject isn't moving, it's a fantastic camera.
- Wifi tethering. I use an Android tablet to watch for hummingbirds through the camera (with camera on tripod, prefocused near feeder), and take photos.
- Making good use of my EF lenses.

The things I hope to see addressed in a 6D Mark II:
- Better autofocus for moving objects.
- Dual card support. I know it's not in the same league as wedding shots, but a lot of the real estate photos impact homeowners. (Being there at the right time, the right level of cleanliness, etc. People don't want me coming back.) I've never lost any shots due to a bad card, but I'm always aware of the possibility. And I was paranoid when I was shooting places like Yosemite and San Francisco, since it was quite an expense to get there. (Spent each night backing up to computer and to cloud. Backing up to the cloud is not great on hotel wifi.)
- Better video capability. It's just not great on the 6D. I tend to use my Note 5 phone more often because it's "close enough". Does it have to be 4K? I can't say I'd want it if it takes an hour to get off the camera.
- A tilt or articulating screen. I use an a6000 for street photos because of the ability to shoot with the camera at chest level. (People stop and stare when you put the camera up to your eye, which ruins a good street shot.)

I can't say that DPAF is important to me. I just don't see it being much of a game changer. Maybe for macro work? And I hope it doesn't give up it's awesome low-light capability.

Anyway, I've been looking forward to the 6D Mark II for a long time. I hope I don't regret being so bought into the Canon system. I suspect all will be fine.
 

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
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ScottD said:
Just joined the forum. Can't post yet. I was thinking about getting a Nikon D750 vs Canon 6D. Then I came across this forum. Apparently know one knows for sure when the 6D2 will be available but is it fairly likely before mid Summer?

Hope this isn't silly question.

Thank you.
Scott Dunham
Not silly, but unanswerable. Canon have along history of catching people blindside - either with cameras people had no idea were coming or with specifications no-one expected.
But as mentioned above, announcing it is one thing, date of release is another.
 

rrcphoto

EOS 5D MK IV
Jun 20, 2013
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Maiaibing said:
Canon has previously said they would try to counter the contracting dslr market with more models but longer life cycles (which is why I give <1% credence to a 5DS/R update anytime soon).
actually they said more camera bodies, but the CEO feels they are moving too slowly on releases.

where did they say they would do longer release cycles?
 

scyrene

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Dec 4, 2013
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Berowne said:
I purchased just now a 6D. It was always a bargain and I think we will never again see such an inexpensive Canon FF-Body.
I dunno. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they squeeze an ultra-budget FF camera at the bottom of the lineup. Depends how much the 6D2's price increases by.
 

scyrene

EOS 5D MK IV
Dec 4, 2013
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KiagiJ said:
hubie said:
KiagiJ said:
The 5D3 was way below 1DX high iso quality yet the 5D4 is almost as good as 1DX2, so anything's possible as they're not keeping their same strong difference this generation. Sucks as i wanted my 1dx2 to be amazing

I'm looking forward to it as it may be the lightest and only ff dpaf canon for video as my 1dx2 is tiring one handed on a glidecam! so weight reduction is apprecaited
So you hate your 1DX2 because the 5D4 sensor has catched up to it? Sounds like you know what photography is about :), i certainly see why you invest 4500 $$ into a camera to boost your photography ~~.
I didn't say I hate my camera mofo. I love my 1dx2, I was just expecting it to be way better iso performance than my 6d, which is a shame as it isn't much better. You'd expect it to be at 6gs and 3 years later technology

But it's amazing for everything else it can do so I'm happy overall of course
Assuming you mean *high* ISO, what you want can't be done. As people with a great deal more technical expertise than me have explained repeatedly here, high ISO is hitting hard physical limitations. An uncooled standard silicon Bayer sensor is already almost maximally efficient in low light. The only major improvements made recently have been with very low resolution, specialist sensors, like Canon's super low light video camera that goes to ~ISO 4,000,000 (and arguably to a lesser extent the Sony A7s), and in jpeg processing of extended ISO settings, especially in Nikon's D5; some camera phones are going another route by using stacked exposures (combining data from adjacent sensors may work too) - but they're starting from a low bar.

If you want better low light performance than the top-of-the-line full frame cameras available now, the only option is medium format (or if shooting static subjects, then stacking frames).

The belief that with every passing year *every* aspect of every device must improve by the same amount is nonsensical and clueless.
 

scyrene

EOS 5D MK IV
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neuroanatomist said:
Maiaibing said:
If you are shooting portraits of your kids, outer AF points could of course make sense if they are too close for your available DOF to nail the face when targeting the body. Otherwise you're just making your life difficult for yourself. Bodies are much better targets than heads.
The old 'f/8 and be there' thing doesn't always work. If I wanted that, I'd use my iPhone.


EOS 5D Mark II, EF 135mm f/2L USM, 1/1600 s, f/2.2, ISO 100
Hey, snap! (Though yours has a better background). One time I could have done with more fps, but it worked okay. I imagine I used an off-centre AF point too, fwiw. 5Ds, 70-200 f/2.8 IS II @ 105mm, f/3.5, 1/800, ISO 500.
 

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YellowJersey

EOS 80D
Jan 2, 2014
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scyrene said:
KiagiJ said:
hubie said:
KiagiJ said:
The 5D3 was way below 1DX high iso quality yet the 5D4 is almost as good as 1DX2, so anything's possible as they're not keeping their same strong difference this generation. Sucks as i wanted my 1dx2 to be amazing

I'm looking forward to it as it may be the lightest and only ff dpaf canon for video as my 1dx2 is tiring one handed on a glidecam! so weight reduction is apprecaited
So you hate your 1DX2 because the 5D4 sensor has catched up to it? Sounds like you know what photography is about :), i certainly see why you invest 4500 $$ into a camera to boost your photography ~~.
I didn't say I hate my camera mofo. I love my 1dx2, I was just expecting it to be way better iso performance than my 6d, which is a shame as it isn't much better. You'd expect it to be at 6gs and 3 years later technology

But it's amazing for everything else it can do so I'm happy overall of course
Assuming you mean *high* ISO, what you want can't be done. As people with a great deal more technical expertise than me have explained repeatedly here, high ISO is hitting hard physical limitations. An uncooled standard silicon Bayer sensor is already almost maximally efficient in low light. The only major improvements made recently have been with very low resolution, specialist sensors, like Canon's super low light video camera that goes to ~ISO 4,000,000 (and arguably to a lesser extent the Sony A7s), and in jpeg processing of extended ISO settings, especially in Nikon's D5; some camera phones are going another route by using stacked exposures (combining data from adjacent sensors may work too) - but they're starting from a low bar.

If you want better low light performance than the top-of-the-line full frame cameras available now, the only option is medium format (or if shooting static subjects, then stacking frames).

The belief that with every passing year *every* aspect of every device must improve by the same amount is nonsensical and clueless.
I think the only route currently open to give that significant improvement would be to go to a BSI sensor. After that, I'm not aware of any developments that could provide that big jump aside from developing an entirely new kind of sensor.
 

Mikehit

EOS 5D MK IV
Jul 28, 2015
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As far as I am aware, the factors giving rise to noise are at the moment a major barrier and have been since the design for Sony's sensors used in the D800. The only significant advance has been in on-chip processing to override the appearance of noise arising from the circuitry and now that has been done we will have a period of evolution rather than real advances.
 
Jan 23, 2017
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While all the upgrades are nice to have, where are the focus enhancements now in the 7DII, 80D, and 5D IV? The 80D is an enthusiasts crop sensor camera. The enhancements will greatly improve number of keepers for anyone, and without those enhancements I will skip this enhancement in the 6D and opt for the larger heavier and more expensive 5D IV. Would prefer not to have to go that route and will end up with one of those. Today I have two 6D bodies, and would have maintained 2 with the new one. But with the only alternative the 5D IV, I will only afford 1 of those. I find the 6D perfect size for me. Seems again Canon is skipping enhancements to a camera line to manipulate the market.
 

hubie

70D with 24-70 f/4 L + 70-200 f/4 L + 50 f/1.4
Feb 4, 2015
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Germany
Well, if you buy a 5D mk IV if the AF is 'crippled', then you can put it as one way Canon wants to have the users decide...

I will buy a 6D if there is no major drawback in a key place, including AF.... however, a 70D AF system would be sufficient for me, let's see.

As I am typically no early adopter as I wait for profound reviews, I might as well take a glimpse at the rumored mirrorless version of a 6D coming up later this year or in early 2018 (following cw, which they reported first here, here and here - lol)
 

Rams_eos

EOS M50
Aug 29, 2012
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If you look at the good chart from wikipedia, it make sense that the 6D 2 arrive this year. Canon has much more different cameras to work on than a few years ago. So I expect R&D ressources to be slower to renew each model.
Life of 6D is already really long but it had been launched in a hurry to compete with the Nikon D600. So to me, it will come latest around this summer. The Nikon D750 is a very good camera that sell well (no global stats, just that 3 friends of mine acquired it) and Canon should adress that quickly.
I am saving to replace my 6D and I hope 6D2 will remain a « cheap » FF.
I am extremely happy with my 6D and I hope night perfomance of 6D2 will be even better.
I don’t care at all about 4k but would appreciate faster rate (60 or better) in 2k.
Also, including Timelapse within the camera would make me happy. I don’t understand why it does not come with any new camera (of that price).
 

smr

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Jan 24, 2017
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I've got a Canon 700D at present, which is my first DSLR and one that I've had for two years. I have been contemplating quite seriously upgrading to the 80D for better ISO performance and a better AF system predominantly, but if the specs listed in the OP are correct - and there are at least 20 AF points or so with a decent AF system I'm definitely waiting for the 6DMK2... best get saving up!
 
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I'm already sold and good to go with DPAF and the touchscreen, two things the competition can't seem to get right but people don't feel like they need until they actually have it. Don't really care for 4k, that's just more hard drive space for resolution that most won't always need. Bigger viewfinder, nice to have, but wouldn't cry if it didn't happen, same goes for the rest. Now, what I really want is more AF points and cleaner video. But from a marketing perspective they're definitely going to protect the 5D mark IV as much as possible so it's easy to come in with low expectations... At least give us the same slow motion video features. :T
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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Chosenbydestiny said:
I'm already sold and good to go with DPAF and the touchscreen, two things the competition can't seem to get right but people don't feel like they need until they actually have it. Don't really care for 4k, that's just more hard drive space for resolution that most won't always need. Bigger viewfinder, nice to have, but wouldn't cry if it didn't happen, same goes for the rest. Now, what I really want is more AF points and cleaner video. But from a marketing perspective they're definitely going to protect the 5D mark IV as much as possible so it's easy to come in with low expectations... At least give us the same slow motion video features. :T
Don't need the 4K too. And believe it or not I do not need DPAF and touchscreen (5D4 user). But I do need an even better than 5D4 DR and high iso IQ as well as a modern AF system (for 6D2, 5D4 has it).
 
Jan 25, 2017
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This sounds perfect! Taking a big trip in May - do we think there is any chance this will be available to purchase before then? Maybe they surprise us all by announcing in Feb?