rrcphoto said:
K said:
except that's the on sale price of a model soon to be replaced. the D750 was 2300 at launch
True, but the price it stayed at the longest, which was it's non-introductory price, and also it's non-inventory reduction price was $1,996.
For clarity, and to not nitpick $100 - $200 ...
I consider anything in the $1700 - $2300 range to be relatively competitive. 5D series and D810 were $3200 cameras, a full $1000+ more and a totally different segment.
The 6D did come out before, so it reasons that it would drop in price sooner. But look at the difference in performance. It's significant. The near pro-level 51pt AF they put in the D750 allows a whole realm of capability the 6D cannot begin to touch. Even though the D750 averaged a bit more in price, they are still competitors in the budget FF market and the value of the D750 is far better. You get 4 more megapixels of resolution. And a massive amount more DR, it isn't even close. Tilt screen is great. It has 5D series speed too! 6D at 4.5fps is quite dated. Dual slots means entry level pros have data security. This is very underrated aspect.
The ONLY place I've ever seen this feature bashed or at least down played is on this forum. That's it. Every person I've talked to in person, working pros, all value this very much.
Why not make the entry into FF for semi-pros a lower price point Canon? Why is the entry point the 5D? That's steep for the part timers and starters who are also trying to get lighting and glass. Losing these guys to Nikon bigtime.
I've said it many times on this board. The vast majority of starters I see are all Nikon. I just don't see Canon out there. The same way NFL sidelines are like 99% Canon. The starters doing portraits, senior pics, weddings, newborns etcetera are all Nikon. It is overwhelmingly so.
Now, some of them, once they make some money with Nikon make the switch to Canon...but many do not because they've invested in the glass and the system. Not so easy to dump a whole lens lineup to switch over.
Protecting the 5D by crippling the 6D line so much is bad idea in my opinion. You can make up the loss of a few 5D sales in the larger number of users you bring into the Canon system buying glass and gear.
Here's some more anecdotal evidence - my friend who works at BB. I asked him. They move way more Nikon gear to that segment than Canon.
I'm hoping the 6D2 reverses this course. Canon can still provide a non-pro, super enthusiast entry FF that makes the hard core hobbyists happy while also making it capable enough for upstart pros to taste the Canon side without threatening 5D sales. The specs we discussed would do all of that.
Because at the end of the day, denying the market a reasonably capable entry FF will not magically create $3,200 in the pocket of the consumer to get a 5D. They weren't going to buy it anyway. That's why they are looking at the $1800 - $2000 range for a FF, because they can't afford a $3000+ class pro DSLR.
Ok, rant over.