Canon EOS M20 Coming at the End of August [CR3]

[Canon Rumors Guy]

We’re told that the next mirrorless camera from Canon will be announced at the end of August. This will be a direct replacement for the EOS M10, and we’re assuming it will be called the “EOS M20”.</p>

<p>While no specifications have been thrown our way, I think we’re likely looking at a toned down version of the EOS M6 in a slightly smaller form factor. I think it’s safe to say it will be equipped with the 24mp sensor that appears in most of Canon’s consumer ILC cameras.</p>
<p>We hope to see the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS announced at the same time.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[wildwalker]

Cue the "No 4K" "No Dual Card Slots" "It's dead in the water" brigade.

 

[neuroanatomist]

This will be a direct replacement for the EOS M10, and we’re assuming it will be called the “EOS M20”.

We hope to see the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS announced at the same time.

Not exactly a logical pairing, is it?

 

[ahsanford]

This will be a direct replacement for the EOS M10, and we’re assuming it will be called the “EOS M20”.

We hope to see the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS announced at the same time.

Not exactly a logical pairing, is it?

Disagree. I'm totally down with the pineapple attached to a deck-of-cards aesthetic.

It says "I hate my wrists as much as I hate viewfinders."

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

While no specifications have been thrown our way, I think we’re likely looking at a toned down version of the EOS M6 in a slightly smaller form factor. I think it’s safe to say it will be equipped with the 24mp sensor that appears in most of Canon’s consumer ILC cameras.

I think it'd be awesome of the 24MP DPAF sensor and M5/M6 features end up here sans direct control/ergonomics. it would make a nice, compact and useful camera.

which probably means, canon won't do it

 

[Jopa]

Now I need a time machine.

 

[Sharlin]

I heard the M20 will be the first Canon crop camera to get 4K

Seriously, I guess it will be the M10 with the sensor and processor upgraded. DiGIC7, 24Mpix, DPAF, maybe slightly increased fps courtesy of the new processor. DPAF ought to make it a very lucrative proposition to the intended audience.

 

[Ed V]

Yet another EOS-M camera with no new M lenses on the horizon. Whoopie!

Oh well. Not a problem anymore. I just made a switch to Fuji (X-Pro 2 with 23mm and 35mm lenses) That covers my needs a way that Canon doesn't with their M line.

I'm still keeping my 5D3 kit.

And I'm holding on to the M5 for now in hopes that Canon gets their finger out of their you know what and starts producing some more glass for the M-series. I would start with a 32mm or 35mm (50mm equivalent) prime lens at f/2... something small, compact, lightweight with good glass (say an equivalent lens to the EOS-M 22 mm). Not holding my breath anymore though.

Ed

 

[NorbR]

Yet another EOS-M camera with no new M lenses on the horizon. Whoopie!

Yep. Frustrating indeed ... :-\

If I'm counting right, with the M20, Canon will have released as many cameras as lenses since the inception of the M line. 7 lenses for 7 camera models. I guess now we can buy one of each, and never have to change lenses !

That being said, if it comes with most of the good stuff found in the M5/M6, namely the 24MP sensor, DPAF and touchscreen, and keeps the M10 form factor and articulated screen, that would be a very compelling offer for a small camera with great IQ.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Yet another EOS-M camera with no new M lenses on the horizon. Whoopie!

Yep. Frustrating indeed ... :-\

If I'm counting right, with the M20, Canon will have released as many cameras as lenses since the inception of the M line. 7 lenses for 7 camera models. I guess now we can buy one of each, and never have to change lenses !

That being said, if it comes with most of the good stuff found in the M5/M6, namely the 24MP sensor, DPAF and touchscreen, and keeps the M10 form factor and articulated screen, that would be a very compelling offer for a small camera with great IQ.

I don't think Canon will take it seriously as long as the M is treated like a "hobby" line. Their bread and butter is DSLRs; that's where the bulk of R&D will go until the tide actually starts turning towards mirrorless. And I mean the tide of aggregate demand and sales, not forum whining and anecdotes of "everyone I know is switching away from mirrorslappers".

 

[hachu21]

I'm affraid that the EF-M lenses can follow the EF-S route... meaning very few interesting primes.
The technical solution chosen by Canon to convert future FF bodies to mirrorless will show the path.

 

[dak723]

I'm affraid that the EF-M lenses can follow the EF-S route... meaning very few interesting primes.

Because I am quite sure that the target market for the M line is folks who want to keep their kit simple. Which is one reason they released the 18-150mm. One lens for your mirrorless camera. And if you need to go wider - they have a zoom (and a very good one) for that, too. Primes are for the very serious few who demand narrow DOF - and that is the FF DSLR photographer. I haven't used a prime lens since 1995 and have never looked back. Primes are not on my radar and never will be again. If someone gave me one for free, I would have no use for it.

 

[rrcphoto]

I'm affraid that the EF-M lenses can follow the EF-S route... meaning very few interesting primes.

Because I am quite sure that the target market for the M line is folks who want to keep their kit simple. Which is one reason they released the 18-150mm. One lens for your mirrorless camera. And if you need to go wider - they have a zoom (and a very good one) for that, too. Primes are for the very serious few who demand narrow DOF - and that is the FF DSLR photographer. I haven't used a prime lens since 1995 and have never looked back. Primes are not on my radar and never will be again. If someone gave me one for free, I would have no use for it.

me too and I second your post.

the 11-22 and 18-150 make a good kit. the people that stick their noses at zooms don't know what they are missing. the last thing in the world I want to be doing is constantly fumbling around with primes in the field with a mirrorless and exposed to the elements sensor.

 

[brad-man]

I'm affraid that the EF-M lenses can follow the EF-S route... meaning very few interesting primes.

Because I am quite sure that the target market for the M line is folks who want to keep their kit simple. Which is one reason they released the 18-150mm. One lens for your mirrorless camera. And if you need to go wider - they have a zoom (and a very good one) for that, too. Primes are for the very serious few who demand narrow DOF - and that is the FF DSLR photographer. I haven't used a prime lens since 1995 and have never looked back. Primes are not on my radar and never will be again. If someone gave me one for free, I would have no use for it.

me too and I second your post.

the 11-22 and 18-150 make a good kit. the people that stick their noses at zooms don't know what they are missing. the last thing in the world I want to be doing is constantly fumbling around with primes in the field with a mirrorless and exposed to the elements sensor.

Those zooms are fine for slower moving subjects in good light where a narrow DOF is not required. But primes offer many more creative possibilities as well as the ability to capture shots that a slow zoom simply cannot without raising ISO to noisy levels. Primes are also sharper than zooms (some people like that). I would argue that people who thumb their noses at primes don't know what they're missing. I need both primes and zooms in my kit. Also, although I don't "constantly fumble around with primes", I have no fear of changing lenses. Heck, with a little practice, anyone can do it...

 

[neuroanatomist]

Primes are for the very serious few who demand narrow DOF - and that is the FF DSLR photographer.

Primes offer more than just narrow DoF. They can be smaller and lighter than zooms covering their FL. They can have faster apertures than zooms covering their FL. Often, they are smaller/lighter and faster.

Consider the M22/2...22mm f/2 on APS-C doesn't exactly deliver shallow DoF at 'typical' subject distances, but it's much smaller than any M zoom, and lets in 4 times as much light as the M18-55/M15-45 at 22mm...and 8 times as much light as the M11-22 at 22mm.

Also, where can I find a TS-E zoom? A 5x macro zoom? How about even a 1x macro zoom?

Sorry, but to believe that primes are only about narrow DoF is quite narrow minded.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I find it disappointing that the "M" series firmware appears to be P&S based, many DSLR features like Tethering are missing.

 

[Talys]

I find it disappointing that the "M" series firmware appears to be P&S based, many DSLR features like Tethering are missing.

Wow, I didn't realize that. I could have sworn that I read in an M series manual that it supported wifi tethering. Kind of kills it for all sorts of uses... that sounds like a decision that doesn't make any sense to me, at the price points that M's are.

 

[rizenphoenix]

Cue the "No 4K" "No Dual Card Slots" "It's dead in the water" brigade.

Nah, It's canon. They'll sell a ton of them despite a spec deficiency

 

[bf]

M6 in a m10 body sound good, a little too good for this year but I guess it will happen next year. It will be M3 in M10 body!

 

[rrcphoto]

I find it disappointing that the "M" series firmware appears to be P&S based, many DSLR features like Tethering are missing.

USB tethering is missing. wifi is not.

ML speculated somewhere that the framerates make it incompatible with the current canon PC software.

even when the firmware was DSLR based it didnt' have tethering.