Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed for 2017 [CR3]

[benkam]

It would be interesting to find out if the SL2 keeps to its price range and gets 750D/T6i internals (as the SL1 currently has 700D/T5i) or if it moves up to the 800D/T7i price range with DPAF and 45pt AF. I'm guessing the former but we'll see.

If the SL2 does not get 77D/80D sensor with DPAF, it's a no-go for me. Don't need 45 AF pts.

Note the SL1 was announced on 21-Mar, together with the 700D/T5i. The 750D/T6i was only released in 2015, 2 years later. So, there is a good chance the SL2 will share the same internals as the 800D.

You could be right, Canon could go that way as they trickle down DPAF in their new releases. But, that would also mean quite the jump in price from currently being a budget camera as it'll then likely be priced not much less than the 800D.

 

[BasXcanon]

What Canon is doing is [size=12pt]WRONG[/size]!

800D, 77D, SL2, 85mm IS, making the stuff that is perfect for selling to the lesser informed people.
Those 77D/M5 are price tagged like the 80D, yet miss all the stuff that really matters, 2nd sync curtain, shutter speed up to 8000's, missing C modes on the 77D. I bet the new SL2 will have electronic shutter curtains as well.
A new 1400D with Digi 7 processor for noice cleaning is the only upgrade that should be done in the entry section.

Now Nikon wants to focus at the higher end, Canon thinks they have the chance throwing up all new entry bodys on the market.

But in the long haul, canon is way better of designing an M model with dual card slots, 1/8000S shutter speed, no compromises on sync speed, integrating the Lp 6N batteries in an Eos M model,
Spending resources in Eos M lenses,
Spending resources on a new 7Dm3,
Spending resources on developing a Mirrorless Full frame,
Spending resources in a new G5X with better raw buffer and DPAF that can compete vs Fuji x100 and Sony RX100,
What the point of a 85MM IS?, stabilization will be obsolete within 2-5 years when ISO performance will improve, (something that the D500 and A6500 now have).

I could not care less about new portraiture L lenses, what ever Canon/Nikon/Fuji/Sony/Pentax/Sigma makes, it gets beaten by Zeiss lenses. Canon knows that for sure, hence the few lens updates.

Every camera company now has a 2000$ crop body that is awesome, now it is canons turn!
There is plenty enough in the 1DXm2 that could migrate to a new 7Dm3, buffer, fps, new AF system, video stabilization, etc...

But I guess there is still a lot of $$$ in it to sell crap to the lesser informed people in Asia.

 

[arcer]

It would be interesting to find out if the SL2 keeps to its price range and gets 750D/T6i internals (as the SL1 currently has 700D/T5i) or if it moves up to the 800D/T7i price range with DPAF and 45pt AF. I'm guessing the former but we'll see.

If the SL2 does not get 77D/80D sensor with DPAF, it's a no-go for me. Don't need 45 AF pts.

Note the SL1 was announced on 21-Mar, together with the 700D/T5i. The 750D/T6i was only released in 2015, 2 years later. So, there is a good chance the SL2 will share the same internals as the 800D.

You could be right, Canon could go that way as they trickle down DPAF in their new releases. But, that would also mean quite the jump in price from currently being a budget camera as it'll then likely be priced not much less than the 800D.

Sorry, I don't understand your argument.
The SL1/100D and T5i/700D were both released together and have almost the same features except size and mass, fps, and the articulating screen. Their released price were $650 and $750 respectively. So I don't understand why you stated that the SL2 needs to have T6i/750D internals to stay competitive to the T7i/800D.
I think you are confusing the SL series with the bottom of the ladder tier, T6/1300D.

Even if the SL2 was released with T7i/800D internals or even the 77D internals, its price will still stay below or similar respectively.

Furthermore, as Canon is now moving its whole line onto the new sensor fab, it would be weird to put an old sensor tech into a 2017 Canon camera that is supposed to be competitive in its respective market.

P.S. I rarely used current market price as the basis of Canon's intended market segmentation, as market situations and currency exchange will change as time goes by.
P.S.S. Just because the SL1 was an awkwardly marketed product in the US, doesn't mean it wasn't profitable for Canon globally.

 

[sylvestrerato]

I hope the SL2 will have more battery life because that's one of the reasons that kept me from buying the SL1 with high ISO noise.

 

[arcer]

What Canon is doing is [size=12pt]WRONG[/size]!

800D, 77D, SL2, 85mm IS, making the stuff that is perfect for selling to the lesser informed people.
Those 77D/M5 are price tagged like the 80D, yet miss all the stuff that really matters, 2nd sync curtain, shutter speed up to 8000's, missing C modes on the 77D. I bet the new SL2 will have electronic shutter curtains as well.
A new 1400D with Digi 7 processor for noice cleaning is the only upgrade that should be done in the entry section.

Now Nikon wants to focus at the higher end, Canon thinks they have the chance throwing up all new entry bodys on the market.

But in the long haul, canon is way better of designing an M model with dual card slots, 1/8000S shutter speed, no compromises on sync speed, integrating the Lp 6N batteries in an Eos M model,
Spending resources in Eos M lenses,
Spending resources on a new 7Dm3,
Spending resources on developing a Mirrorless Full frame,
Spending resources in a new G5X with better raw buffer and DPAF that can compete vs Fuji x100 and Sony RX100,
What the point of a 85MM IS?, stabilization will be obsolete within 2-5 years when ISO performance will improve, (something that the D500 and A6500 now have).

I could not care less about new portraiture L lenses, what ever Canon/Nikon/Fuji/Sony/Pentax/Sigma makes, it gets beaten by Zeiss lenses. Canon knows that for sure, hence the few lens updates.

Every camera company now has a 2000$ crop body that is awesome, now it is canons turn!
There is plenty enough in the 1DXm2 that could migrate to a new 7Dm3, buffer, fps, new AF system, video stabilization, etc...

But I guess there is still a lot of $$$ in it to sell crap to the lesser informed people in Asia.

1st statement and 2nd paragraph are your own subjective opinion.

Nikon is most likely leaving the entry level for the near future as it knows Canon has almost completely dominated that market. They will come back to the entry market when they have produced a matured high end pro ecosystem that can compete with Canon toe to toe. In the end, you still need entry bodies to introduce new buyers into your ecosystem. (Reason why Canon won the race atm.)

Regarding the M, you have misunderstood the intended methodology of the M series.
...... M lenses, you sure Canon is not spending resources?
...... 7D3, R&D is not a 6-month garage project. R&D takes years and I don't want a 7D3 with incremental improvements.
...... FF ML, you're not an occasional reader of CR for the past few months, aren't you?
...... G5X, why chose that specific camera as competitor of the Fuji or Sony? Why not the G1X?
...... 85mm IS, seriously? IS will be irrelevant? You make me question who is the less informed one.

Canon shouldn't make any new L lenses? Comparing Canon/Sigma/Nikon/Sony to ZEISS? Seriously? Again?

Hey, I rather have newer features in my new 7D3 than just adopting those from the 1DX2.

Yes, Canon will earn a lot from the rebels and XXDs, but they are not crap, and people in Asia are not less informed. Fyi, almost all camera brands are in Asia ffs. And saying the rebels are crap is like admitting that you are an excrement from a canine compared to the best photographers in the world.

 

[arcer]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

Quite surprised. Shaping up to be a very good year for Canon -- 77D is good value for the money (a boo for the missing afma), M6 looks like a nifty mirrorless, and now an SL2. The 6DmkII around the corner. Good stuff.

+1. We expected Rebels this year to accompany the end of the FF rollout of 1DX/5D4/6D2. But the strides with EOS M5/M6 and now an SL2 is shaping up to be lot of new body options in fairly quick succession. Go Canon.

...and I'll take that EF 50mm f/1.4 USM II whenever you're ready.

- A

With the barrage of new bodies these 2 years, I really hope that the following 2 will see the flood gates open for new lens. You know, your beloved lens might be in the mix also.

 

[Loswr]

What Canon is doing is [size=12pt]WRONG[/size]!

800D, 77D, SL2, 85mm IS, making the stuff that is perfect for selling to the lesser informed people.
Those 77D/M5 are price tagged like the 80D, yet miss all the stuff that really matters, 2nd sync curtain, shutter speed up to 8000's, missing C modes on the 77D. I bet the new SL2 will have electronic shutter curtains as well.
A new 1400D with Digi 7 processor for noice cleaning is the only upgrade that should be done in the entry section.

Now Nikon wants to focus at the higher end, Canon thinks they have the chance throwing up all new entry bodys on the market.

But in the long haul, canon is way better of designing an M model with dual card slots, 1/8000S shutter speed, no compromises on sync speed, integrating the Lp 6N batteries in an Eos M model,
Spending resources in Eos M lenses,
Spending resources on a new 7Dm3,
Spending resources on developing a Mirrorless Full frame,
Spending resources in a new G5X with better raw buffer and DPAF that can compete vs Fuji x100 and Sony RX100,
What the point of a 85MM IS?, stabilization will be obsolete within 2-5 years when ISO performance will improve, (something that the D500 and A6500 now have).

I could not care less about new portraiture L lenses, what ever Canon/Nikon/Fuji/Sony/Pentax/Sigma makes, it gets beaten by Zeiss lenses. Canon knows that for sure, hence the few lens updates.

Every camera company now has a 2000$ crop body that is awesome, now it is canons turn!
There is plenty enough in the 1DXm2 that could migrate to a new 7Dm3, buffer, fps, new AF system, video stabilization, etc...

But I guess there is still a lot of $$$ in it to sell crap to the lesser informed people in Asia.

Speaking of lesser informed people, thanks for sharing your opinion. Perhaps you can remind us which global market-leading ILC manufacturing company you run. No? Perhaps then the global, multi billion market cap tech-focused company you lead. Still no?

Ahhh, well...armchair internet experts who know better than Canon how Canon should spend their ¥, and who know better than consumers worldwide what they should want to buy with their hard-earned income, are not uncommon around here. For some reason, you all seem to have widely disparate opinions on exactly what Canon must do, but hey, I guess that's why Y'all are the expurts you are.

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[LonelyBoy]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

I have zero doubt you want one, and I don't want to marginalize your perspective, but the SL1 failed for a reason, didn't it?

I'm pretty sure I've said this same thing before, but the exact same statement can be made about the original M, which got a follow-up. Several, in fact, and the newest, best ones seem to be successfully commanding a higher price than the original failed at. Why only apply this logic to the SL?

As for your price chart, CPW charts look like that for a lot of Canon stuff; there seems to have been a lot more variability a few years ago, then they mostly flatline at a low point. That's not evidence for much of anything.

 

[quiquae]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

In fact, BCN ranking shows the X7 double zoom kit at #1 among all ILCs last week, and GfK ranking at #3.

Can you provide a link for GfK camera ranking? I can only find the BCNRanking site https://www.bcnretail.com/research/ranking/.

http://www.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/articles/1702/20/news122.html

 

[ashmadux]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

I know the rumors say the 7D III isn't coming out this year, but I really can't see the 7D II lasting another year.

How so? Are you not convinced about its blazing fast AND accurate AF system at a constant 10fps?

Its DPAF technology? Its 1080 60p for video with both mic and headphone inputs? Its rock-solid construction?

Its more than capable sensor for 99.9% of everything a good photog does, save for absurd -5EV shadow recovery?

I don't see Canon launching a new 7D when this one is so recent and their product cycles are so dilated.

It's a superb camera.

It WAS a superb camera...until it launched. The 7d2 was DOA, and the d500 has eaten its lunch, breakfast, dinner, and stole it's wife. Canon went safe- too safe- and it killed the 7d legacy. They almost did the same thing with the 5d4...just playing it too damn safe. You start to forget about the 10fps (nice!) because the camera is so old hat and boring.

No touch screen, Horrible sensor (dude, there's nothing awesome about it at all), no big difference from the 7d1, and, um, NO ONE is talking about how much they want a 7d2. Even the M cameras have more chutzpah then the 7d2.

If a post comes up about a 7d3, i can bet you dollars to donuts that the onus would be more like "um, ok...." as opposed to the former feeling os "here we gooooooo, yeah!".

Canon bodies are more known now for what they leave out then what they put in. And that,s pretty sad because they make good cameras.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

It WAS a superb camera...until it launched. The 7d2 was DOA, and the d500 has eaten its lunch, breakfast, dinner, and stole it's wife.

Yeah, except that the 7DII is still outselling the D500 on Amazon, both in the US and in Germany. But hey, don't let reality get in the way of your delusions… :

Hope your indigestion improves, and maybe your wife is happier now.

 

[jolyonralph]

The new SL2 will use the LP-E17 battery for sure. For those wishing that the low-end cameras (and mirrorless) will switch to LP-E6(N) sorry, that won't happen.

The LP-E17 has far more sophisticated security features for anti-counterfeiting which means that Canon can make much more money from selling spare batteries ensure your camera is not using potentially dangerous third-party batteries

Expect standardization on LP-E17 on low-end cameras and LP-E6(N) on higher end (except the 1DX series) for a while.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

and, um, NO ONE is talking about how much they want a 7d2.

I want one!! They're too expensive for me right now because demand is keeping the price up. Even refurbs aren't dirt cheap, and never stay in stock. Please verify your speculations before you present them as fact.

 

[tr573]

I'd be in for an SL2. My wife has the 1, and it's a decent little camera. Makes for a good light-vacation shooter with the 24&40 pancakes.

I tried the X100T for that purpose myself, but ended up selling it inside of a year - I loved a lot of things about that camera but found that EVF is simply not for me (I would get nauseous when it was on if I moved the camera at all with it up to my eye) and the AF was simply too slow and hit or miss when shooting in OVF mode.

Even a tiny rebel mirror finder works out better for me than the M5 EVF would. Everyone's got their own thing though.

 

[sylvestrerato]

The new SL2 will use the LP-E17 battery for sure.

That should mean battery life will not be much longer :-(

 

[LDS]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

Yeah, except that the 7DII is still outselling the D500 on Amazon, both in the US and in Germany.

On Amazon Italy, the 7DII is the 9th camera most sold, the 100D the 16th, the D500 is 62nd...

BTW: the M10 is the most sold mirrorless...

Different markets may have very different dynamics, depending on brand recognition, price, availability, etc. etc.

 

[vau]

Call me a loser, or a cheap bastard, but I'm actually enjoying my SL1 very much and can't wait to have the SL2.

My reasons:

- Nice and compact, no doubt about this
- It was cheap, I'm not afraid to use it anytime. Second hand price is near that, there are plenty, so it's almost disposable.
- The second hand market for canon mount lenses is huge, I got my Tamron 28-75 f2.8 for about 200 bucks.
- If my pictures suck, that's usually not because my camera is limiting me. That's a nice excuse, but it's just not true.

The SL1 does perfectly well for almost everything. People made exceptional bird photos with motor drives as well. I find it lame that the benchmark for a good camera is not usability, but the capability to machinegun the sht out of the landscape with 24mpx jpgs.

 

[rrcphoto]

I played around with an SL1 last month for a bit. it amazed me how tiny it was.

I want an SL2 24mp APS-C .. no 4k or crap.. basic camera and cheap. and then I want a SL2x .. it's mirrorless full frame cousin with an EF mount.

 

[magarity]

I hope the SL2 will have more battery life because that's one of the reasons that kept me from buying the SL1 with high ISO noise.

Battery technology goes in leaps every year thanks to pressure from the smart phone industry. The problem with camera batteries seems to be getting the OEMs to upgrade the replacement batteries over time. Why is Canon still selling SL1 batteries at the original spec while misc brands have a 50% increase? I think Canon didn't bother to have its engineers revisit the old model. Be wary of the super cheapo 3rd party batteries but I think it's ok to use decent ones for a huge boost.
For example, genuine Canon NB2LH are still made and sold with the original 800mah. A new 3rd brand is 1800mah.

 

[[email protected]]

The sleeper feature of the SL1: It rocks an intervalometer. I can get 4,000+ shots on that little guy with a battery when the shots are close together. The electronic internals appear to draw much less power than those of other cameras.

I got two of them for < $300 each, added a couple third party battery grips, and I can go an entire day taking pictures every few seconds. I don't worry about them as much, either, as they sit out on public lands doing this. If they get taken, I'm not out 30 percent of the value of my gear.

Very, very useful little buggers. So long as I keep it to 400 ISO or below, the images are great.