Here are the Canon EOS R7 and Canon EOS R10

[H. Jones]

Y'know, it really hadn't occurred to me until someone just mentioned it, but I actually would bet the R1 is the answer to professionals looking for reach.

It's more than likely that the R1 is going to be a competitor to the A1 and have high speed FPS and super high resolution, especially when you consider that the R3 is Canon's current sports line.

So if the R1 ends up a quad-pixel 84mp sensor with 20-30+ FPS, it's going to totally occupy that high end wildlife/sports crowd that can afford $12,000 lenses, even if it's $8000.

Meanwhile, the R7 provides awesome reach in a low price for consumers who aren't as worried about 14 bit raw and just want that sweet 32mp 1.6x at 30 fps. With that in mind, as well as the R5's 1.6x mode, it makes more sense for the R7 to not be as professional as the 7D once was.

 

[Jayman]

Continue reading...

Pangolin Wildlife Photography on YouTube has hands on reviews of both the R7 and R10 posted.

R7:

R10:

 

[tbgtomcom]

For those who didn't see the video before it goes/went private, here's what I got:

15mechanical/30electronic shutter
1/320 flash sync
focus bracketing
4K/60 uncropped
4K/30 oversampled from 7K
Canon Log 3, 10bit 4-2-2, timecode, no 30min limit
Full-HD/120

Mostly disappointed about the EVF spec. Especially if it doesn't have a highspeed mode (100 or 120fps), which I kind of suspect it won't have :-(

I think it's time they put out a firmware update for the R5 then... why would the lesser cameras and the more expensive camera have no limit but the R5 and R6 are stuck with a 30 minute limit?? That's just nonsense.

 

[info2x]

Certainly interesting. I was hoping for more from the R7, but it likely won't be a bad camera, just not what I want from it. I do like the dual card slots and high fps, but the buffer seems low as does the EVF resolution. Granted I haven't looked through it so what do I know.

 

[geffy]

south africa, these youtubers have a few of the new cameras

 

[Skux]

I like removing the 30 minute video limit, I record theatre occasionally and it's always annoying to have to attend to the camera between scenes.

Yep, the EVF is the biggest cripple hammer by far. If anyone has used the R6/R5 side by side the difference in clarity and quality is huge. So, the fact the R7 is worse than the R6 means it will be very crunchy and digital. I would love to hear from RP shooters how they find their EVF.

I use the M6 Mark II with the EVF which is 2.36m dots as well. It's fine for me since I'm almost always relying on AF, but you can't get a good feel of the actual sharpness without checking the LCD and zooming in.

Just saw the R10 preview video and the LP-E17 makes me a little sad. Together with the pop-up flash it's clear it's an entry-level camera... but for a much higher price.

On the other hand, the R7 looks like a decent upgrade for my M6ii, and I'll finally be able to use all the same batteries for my cameras.

 

[hoodlum]

One more detail from the R7 video.

• Electronic 30 frames per second (12-bit RAW), mechanical 15 frames per second (14-bit RAW)

 

[SnowMiku]

Pics look interesting.

Something I don't get:
That AF/MF switch on the front side. I wouldn't want to have it there.
Why there? Why at all?
If it isn't on the RF-S lenses anymore, then make it SW in the camera menu.

I would personally prefer a physical button for AF/MF, it's easier and quicker for me then going through the menu.

 

[geffy]

R 10looks pants is it really the modern m50 it seems crippled to me, not like canon eh

 

[Eriknoteric]

I was, and am concerned about not having a third dial on this body but I noticed that you can set the 4 way button to adjust ISO. I think for me personally if you could assign it to adjust the aperture it wouldn’t be a terrible consolation for not having the dial.

 

[vjlex]

does no one read previous posts before posting?? there have been 3 or more posts to the same video in the past 2 pages (some even on the same page). sheesh!

 

[H. Jones]

I was, and am concerned about not having a third dial on this body but I noticed that you can set the 4 way button to adjust ISO. I think for me personally if you could assign it to adjust the aperture it wouldn’t be a terrible consolation for not having the dial.

This makes a lot of sense now actually. Not a totally bad tradeoff for a smaller form factor.

Also, pretty impressed the R10 has a joystick. Definitely more than just a mirrorless rebel, I see it as more of what the 60D was to the original 7D.

 

[preppyak]

I think it's time they put out a firmware update for the R5 then... why would the lesser cameras and the more expensive camera have no limit but the R5 and R6 are stuck with a 30 minute limit?? That's just nonsense.

Because there are tariffs that determine camera import pricing, and having that 30minute limit puts them in a different. Because its literally a software thing, they could undo it, but that may cause them issues since they will have then mis-classified the item they imported and sold.

Im honestly surprised at this point that every camera company hasnt just accepted that their digital cams are video cameras and just paid the difference to remove the limit. Especially since a camera with these specs has existed for over 5 years in the market (GH5, etc). The fact they are doing it with these lower priced cameras might be the sign they are finally doing so

 

[Docofthewild]

Isn’t the AF/MF on the front just Canon’s topical depth of field preview button with a physical switch for AF/MF that you would need to reach over, hook a finger on and pull towards you to switch from AF to MF? I don’t think that will easily be nudged. I do think it would come in handy for me when I am using a macro lens for non macro stuff and want to quickly pull in for a macro shot.

 

[rbr]

One more detail from the R7 video.

• Electronic 30 frames per second (12-bit RAW), mechanical 15 frames per second (14-bit RAW)

And you fill up the buffer after 30 shots in RAW. That's 1 second using the electronic shutter and 2 seconds with the mechanical.

 

[SnowMiku]

With the R10 I was very impressed by the animal eye AF, it seems to be similar to the R3 focus system, but a bit disappointed in the small battery as the xx DSLRs had the bigger battery, but I guess they wanted to save that for the R7. I'm surprised they removed that 30min video time limit. I wonder if the R10 includes any weather sealing?

They also mentioned the R7 has some degree of weather sealing, but less then the R5 and R6. Will the 7DII users upgrade to the R7? Or have they got the R5 already?

 

[AccipiterQ]

So is the R7 NOT BSI then?

 

[IShootBirds]

You can shoot in CRAW Mechanical and should get over 100 frames on the buffer maybe slightly more which is probably close to 7 seconds which is more than enough on this level camera. Remember the 90D had 11fps and probably half the buffer or worse.

 

[tataylino]

Reviews are out on YT. R10 estimated cost is 1,200.... too expensive for an entry level crop camera

 

[shire_guy]

I wonder how the AF/MF control works on the front of the camera when a lens with a AF/MF switch is attached. Could it be the camera switch only turns of IBIS ?

Edit: Referring to the R7