More Detailed Specifications for the Canon EOS 6D Mark II

[Loswr]

I fully recognize it's a nuisance, and a silly marketing distinction. I just think the amount of handwringing people (especially ones who very obviously from their complaints knew next to nothing about using flash) did over it with the original 6D was ridiculous. One guy once told me that it made it harder for him to control ambient light for studio shots. 1/6th of a stop too much ambient light, like really? In your studio?

I could see the decision being made with the opposite motivation. While an Xsync of 1/160 s would be more convenient for the 1/3-increment folks (which, let's face it, is pretty much everyone!), maybe they thought, well, sure...we could limit it to 1/160 s, but based on the shutter motor/curtain performance it can actually do 1/180 s, so let's go with that instead of nerfing the camera by artifically limiting it by 1/6-stop.

Just some food for thought.

 

[LesC]

Which lens now? I don't have any of the kit lenses. I have a nifty 50, an 85 1.8, 70-300, 28-135. I suppose I would like one of the 24-105s for the reach and versatility. I'm not into video but STM sounds nice. I was disappointed that the L update was not much some people have stated preferences for the original L. Any thoughts are appreciated.

I have the 6D and use it with the EF24-70 F2.8L MKII which is nice but I still don't believe lives up to the hype about it. I'll be getting the 6D MKII at some stage & if there's a good kit deal including the 24-105 F4L MKII I may well go for that too - the extra reach & IS would be nice. I think that's the one to go for now if it's a 24-105 you want. Otherwise, might be nice to see what reviews of the new Sigma and Tamron 24-70 suggest as both are F2.8 and have IS. Of course depending on how you like your 28-135, you could see what results are like with that first before deciding on another lens?

With regards to complaints on this and other threads that the 6D MKII doesn't have this or that, I don't get it. I bough the original 6D because as a Canon shooter it was the cheapest by far way of getting into full frame. The same applies to the new model too and it has a few nice improvements too. I just hope the UK price isn't too ridiculous

 

[smr]

I can't wait to buy my 6Dmk2.

But I'm wondering out of curiosity how much it'll cost for those of us in paying in sterling?

Not just a case of simply converting $1999 into £££'s is it?

 

[lourenco]

Xsync of 1/160 is not enough for me to do hyper sync with my Paul C Buff Einstein Flash heads and the Flex TT5.

If I am shooting at 1/1000 to freeze action of a car doing a wheelie in the center of the frame, The 1dx having small black bars on frame top and bottom is no big deal. It is a big deal on the 6d since the top part of the car would not have flash given you can see from the photos below it would be completely cut off. That's a big deal for me. I rather not buy new flash heads. I was thinking about this given the low price, but I have to pass.


1dx has 1/250 sync speed

vs

6d , which I am sure would look the same on the 6d Mark II

 

[Loswr]

Is it still a question in light of the leaks? I thought the tell-tale latch/button feature (to get access to the screen) you can see from the front view of the leaked photos was not there for the 6D2.

It's a question of cost. The latch mechanism is cheap enough, but the screen itself has to be aligned within a few microns. That's tough to do in a high-volume camera.

And yet...they managed to do it for the 6D, and prior cameras like the 40D/50D/60D that are much higher volume than the 6-series.

I previously believed it wass a question of the cost when there's a transmissive LCD adjacent to the focusing screen. The 5DII had swappable screens with a standard AF point overlay, the 5DIII added the transmissive LCD and dropped the swappable screen. The 40D/50D/60D had a standard AF point overlay and swappable screens, the 70D added the transmissive LCD and dropped the swappable screen. Only the 1D X had both, suggesting that there was an engineering solution, but it was not cheap. But then the 7DII came out with a transmissive LCD and interchangeable screens, proving me wrong.

So, most likely it has nothing to do with cost per se, in terms of feasiblity (but cost certainly comes into the equation becuase a lower production cost means more profit), but rather Canon's determination of which features were important to the 6DII target market and which were not. Unfortunately for you, it seems an important feature to you was deemed unworthy of inclusion by Canon.

 

[Bernard]

so if you do get a 6DII, I'd suggest you mount your fast, manual primes and learn to focus with them using the -A screen. You may be pleasantly at the outcome.

I feel you would especially appreciate the book I suggested, given your background.

I've gone through your suggested exercise with the 5DIII and again with the 5DS. No need to do it a third time. You can, eventually, get some sharp shots using a fuzzy screen and estimating the middle distance between different levels of unsharpness in the viewfinder. It's a slow and haphazard process, made worse by the fact that I know how much easier things would be using the appropriate screen.

The lack of interchangeable screens is just a cost-cutting move, nothing more.

 

[LesC]

I can't wait to buy my 6Dmk2.

But I'm wondering out of curiosity how much it'll cost for those of us in paying in sterling?

Not just a case of simply converting $1999 into £££'s is it?

I'm in the UK too so wondering about the price also. I think it's likely to be about £1999 too - looking at prices for the 5DMK4, the prices seem pretty much the same for £ or $ comparing UK & US suppliers and I think the MSRP is £3499 or $3499 so here's hoping .... I may wait till after Xmas to see if the price drops but i did that with my 80D and it didn't

 

[Loswr]

I've gone through your suggested exercise with the 5DIII and again with the 5DS. No need to do it a third time. You can, eventually, get some sharp shots using a fuzzy screen and estimating the middle distance between different levels of unsharpness in the viewfinder. It's a slow and haphazard process, made worse by the fact that I know how much easier things would be using the appropriate screen.

Well, it's too bad you were unsuccessful. With my 5DII, I got to the point where I would bother swapping in the Eg-S screen for manually focusing fast primes, becuase it no longer had a significant impact on my results (although it did make for a more pleasant shooting experience).

 

[-pekr-]

Xsync of 1/160 is not enough for me to do hyper sync with my Paul C Buff Einstein Flash heads and the Flex TT5.

If I am shooting at 1/1000 to freeze action of a car doing a wheelie in the center of the frame, The 1dx having small black bars on frame top and bottom is no big deal. It is a big deal on the 6d since the top part of the car would not have flash given you can see from the photos below it would be completely cut off. That's a big deal for me. I rather not buy new flash heads. I was thinking about this given the low price, but I have to pass.


1dx has 1/250 sync speed

vs

6d , which I am sure would look the same on the 6d Mark II

In a studio, if you have good control over your ambient light, even the 1/80 is good enough, as strobes, in fact, tend to be quite fast.

When you are outdoors, then chances are, that while 1/180 of the 6D2 is not enough, neither is 1/200 of the 5D4. There are some special HS (not strobe intensive HSS) solutions on the market. We use Elinchrom for that, along with the special HS (slow) head.

You can get up to 1/8000 .... well, obviously only to 1/4000 using 6D2, because of its nerfing (whatever it means)

 

[wildwalker]

I can't wait to buy my 6Dmk2.

But I'm wondering out of curiosity how much it'll cost for those of us in paying in sterling?

Not just a case of simply converting $1999 into £££'s is it?

Well in theory you take 2000 usd, convert it to gbp (1572) and add VAT at 20% = £1887. However, there are other factors, cost of shipping to each continent, usd/yen/gbp rates blah blah.

We normally just take the USD value, add a little and call it GBP. So while I would like to think it will be £1999 here in the UK, I have a feeling it will launch at £2250.

The 5DMk4 released at 3700 USD and was 3700 GBP, but the pound is a bit weaker now, so who knows?

 

[ahsanford]

It's a question of cost. The latch mechanism is cheap enough, but the screen itself has to be aligned within a few microns. That's tough to do in a high-volume camera.

Yet Canon somehow found a way to pull off this engineering phenomenon in the 6D1. :

I'm not upset or ranting about it not being present in the 6D2 -- though others surely will -- but your argument would imply this is a straight takeaway from an existing brand for cost reasons. Possible, but unlikely.

I still think Canon has jazzed up the viewfinder somehow as a result of this decision, perhaps making it more 5D-like. This can't just be a takeaway.

- A

 

[smr]

I can't wait to buy my 6Dmk2.

But I'm wondering out of curiosity how much it'll cost for those of us in paying in sterling?

Not just a case of simply converting $1999 into £££'s is it?

I'm in the UK too so wondering about the price also. I think it's likely to be about £1999 too - looking at prices for the 5DMK4, the prices seem pretty much the same for £ or $ comparing UK & US suppliers and I think the MSRP is £3499 or $3499 so here's hoping .... I may wait till after Xmas to see if the price drops but i did that with my 80D and it didn't

The 80D didn't drop after Xmas I was also looking at getting one, the best price was around October time when you could get one for around £670ish (non grey) after Canon cashback. Super price that was considering the price of it now.

 

[-pekr-]

Which lens now? I don't have any of the kit lenses. I have a nifty 50, an 85 1.8, 70-300, 28-135. I suppose I would like one of the 24-105s for the reach and versatility. I'm not into video but STM sounds nice. I was disappointed that the L update was not much some people have stated preferences for the original L. Any thoughts are appreciated.

I have the 6D and use it with the EF24-70 F2.8L MKII which is nice but I still don't believe lives up to the hype about it. I'll be getting the 6D MKII at some stage & if there's a good kit deal including the 24-105 F4L MKII I may well go for that too - the extra reach & IS would be nice. I think that's the one to go for now if it's a 24-105 you want. Otherwise, might be nice to see what reviews of the new Sigma and Tamron 24-70 suggest as both are F2.8 and have IS. Of course depending on how you like your 28-135, you could see what results are like with that first before deciding on another lens?

We are still debating ourselves on the lens selection. None of the offered kit lens options seem to be fast enough for our wedding purposes. But then, our Sigma Art 35/1.4 is still two stops faster than any f2.8 option. If only it would not be such a calibration pig.

Despite the lack of the image stabilisation, I am still thinking about the Canon 24-70/2.8 mk II. Not sure about offered alternatives. I have lower trust into Sigma, a bit better into Tamron (our old APS-C 17-50/2.8 non IS is still quite nice lens).

 

[tr573]

Xsync of 1/160 is not enough for me to do hyper sync with my Paul C Buff Einstein Flash heads and the Flex TT5.

If I am shooting at 1/1000 to freeze action of a car doing a wheelie in the center of the frame, The 1dx having small black bars on frame top and bottom is no big deal. It is a big deal on the 6d since the top part of the car would not have flash given you can see from the photos below it would be completely cut off. That's a big deal for me. I rather not buy new flash heads. I was thinking about this given the low price, but I have to pass.


1dx has 1/250 sync speed

vs

6d , which I am sure would look the same on the 6d Mark II

That looks like what happens when you *don't* use hypersync. The pocketwizard wiki pages for E640's on a 6D don't look like that.

http://wiki.pocketwizard.com/images/0/05/6D_EinsteinE640_HighestEnergy_Ver11.pdf
http://wiki.pocketwizard.com/images/b/bf/6D_EinsteinE640_ReducedClipping_Ver11.pdf

 

[jmoya]

I already have 6d mark II buyers remorse and I haven't even bought it yet. I'd like a 1dx mark II spec'd camera from canon minus the size. I'm a travel vlogger where size, weight, number of gear matters. I don't mind paying a premium for features from canon but the lack of good video on this camera is no bueno. Even worse is the canon 5d mark IV. The video codec on this is the worst. If they would've had that right on the 5d I'd own it right now. I was holding out for the 6d II and even sold off one of my two 5d3 in preparation...but now just kinda stuck getting it and not being completely satisfied. I'm too invested in canon lenses, flashes etc. :-\

 

[ahsanford]

Which lens now? I don't have any of the kit lenses. I have a nifty 50, an 85 1.8, 70-300, 28-135. I suppose I would like one of the 24-105s for the reach and versatility. I'm not into video but STM sounds nice. I was disappointed that the L update was not much some people have stated preferences for the original L. Any thoughts are appreciated.

The answer depends heavily on what you shoot and what you are moving from when you get your 6D2.

For instance, if you shoot long and are moving from crop to the 6D2, the 100-400L II might be in order to get some reach back. If you want to use that DPAF+tilty-flippy touchscreen to shoot video, STM glass would be in order.

We need a little more to go on to help you find your next lens. What do you usually shoot?

- A

 

[Chaitanya]

barely any better than D750 from Nikon, seriously castrated camera from dumbCanon.

 

[ahsanford]

I already have 6d mark II buyers remorse and I haven't even bought it yet. I'd like a 1dx mark II spec'd camera from canon minus the size. I'm a travel vlogger where size, weight, number of gear matters. I don't mind paying a premium for features from canon but the lack of good video on this camera is no bueno. Even worse is the canon 5d mark IV. The video codec on this is the worst. If they would've had that right on the 5d I'd own it right now. I was holding out for the 6d II and even sold off one of my two 5d3 in preparation...but now just kinda stuck getting it and not being completely satisfied. I'm too invested in canon lenses, flashes etc. :-\

If you need 4K + FF + tilty-flippy screen that faces the front for vlogging + smaller than a 1-series, I think you are SOL...

Hmmm... A99 II, perhaps? I think that screen comes around to the front.

- A

 

[SecureGSM]

quite alot better...
it is still 63 zone as before but new RGB metering sensor sees colours.
old metering system treated everything in the viewfinder as mid level grey (18% grey) colour.
hence your snow would come out underexposed and your blacks over exposed. new RGB metering system delivers more accurate scene metering and white balance.

http://www.canon-asia.com/cplus/en/metering-system/

How much better is the "7560 pixel RGB + IR metering sensor" versus the old 63 zone metering? Will this camera have iTR servo AF?

 

[wildwalker]

barely any better than D750 from Nikon, seriously castrated camera from dumbCanon.

Here they come, the D750 luvvies.

How is your D750? Do you take many photos with it? or, as I suspect, do you not actually have one???

If you do have a D750, nice, head on over to the Nikon forums for some more relevant chat.