New EOS M This Week? [CR1]

[jebrady03]

BTW: who are you using for IR conversion? I have previously used Camera Clinic in Collingwood to convert an old Powershot G5.

I have not yet converted my M as I'm waiting to have the successor in my hands first but I have saved two links to companies that do it and have had customers posting that they're very happy with the conversion. Here are those links...

http://www.lifepixel.com/

http://www.kolarivision.com/

Hope that helps!

 

[Marsu42]

If the m2 has the 70d's af sensor and touchscreen, this will make a serious contender to the 70d because many usability shortcomings/crippling will be fixed by Magic Lantern - so if you just need a small camera for video next to a full fledged ff eos this m2 will surely have a lot of customers.

Canon seems to have a great product here - could we now please have more enthusiast releases like the long awaited L updates, not just low end (m2, stm, ...) or high end (200-400L, ...) ?

 

[axtstern]

If the m2 has the 70d's af sensor and touchscreen, this will make a serious contender to the 70d because many usability shortcomings/crippling will be fixed by Magic Lantern - so if you just need a small camera for video next to a full fledged ff eos this m2 will surely have a lot of customers.

Magic Lantern has some issues with the M. I kicked the BETA from my M as the M simply does not have enough buttons to work with some convinience with the ML extensions. The overlapping menus did their part as well in convincing me to pass on this one.

However I second your desire for enthusiast products. To much these days for Cine, Deep pockets and Noobs, nothing which makes the fanboys in the middle sustainable happy.

 

[EchoLocation]

dear canon,
please give us better AF, a built in flash, and a decent viewfinder. if so, i will seriously consider buying it once the price drops from 800 dollars ish. if possible(not holding my breath), please throw in better high ISO and maybe another dial or two so i don't have to use the touchscreen so much.
sincerely,
someone hoping for a full frame Canon mirrorless, but content enough with the M for now.

 

[mountain_drew]

dear canon,
please give us better AF, a built in flash, and a decent viewfinder. if so, i will seriously consider buying it once the price drops from 800 dollars ish. if possible(not holding my breath), please throw in better high ISO and maybe another dial or two so i don't have to use the touchscreen so much.
sincerely,
someone hoping for a full frame Canon mirrorless, but content enough with the M for now.

I don't understand why people ask stuff that would be impossible to fit in such a small body. Do you guys want a mirrorless DSLR-like body?

 

[schmidtfilme]

Sounds promising. If it has:
1. the 70D's sensor with dual pixel af
2. an electronic view finder
3. size similar to the original M (With an EVF it will have to be larger)
I think most people will be happy. Though there are some that will complain no matter what is released.

On my would-be-nice list is the hope they style it after one of their retro cameras like the canonette or something.

If that happens I get one if the price is right.

 

[dadgummit]

I think most people will be happy.

LOL

LOL, I meant most people in the General population. Not most people on this forum!!

 

[AvTvM]

I don't understand why people ask stuff that would be impossible to fit in such a small body. Do you guys want a mirrorless DSLR-like body?

no, we want solid and robust mirrorless system cameras with better IQ and photographic performance than any DSLR at a fraction of the bulk and weight. Good thing is, there is no law of nature against it. Only the unwillingness of imaging gear suppliers to build it, as long as they can sell yesterday's crap like the EOS-M or various DSLRs.

To be miore specific: what exactly would not fit into a very compact mirrorless system camera body?

* really fast and precise Hybrid AF [contrast AF plus phase-detect Af on sensor]? -> no difference in body size/weight
* vastly improved sensor with much better IQ ... resolution, DR, low-ISO, hi-ISO noise? -> no difference in size/weight
* ultra hi resolution "retina" EVF with minimum 4k rresoultion? -> no difference in size/weight
* one front-whell, one rear-whell and 5 freely assignable, well-placed buttons? -> no difference in size/weight
* higher fps? focus peaking? 1001 useful firmware features -> no difference in size/weight
* magnesium-alloy body, fully dust- and weathersealed [IP 67] ? -> no difference in size, little in weight
* WiFi, GPS, Canon-EX-RT radio flash master built in? -> very little impact on size/weight
* built-in little fil-flash -> little impact on size/weight
* fully articulated "retina" 4k LCD screen? -> very little impact on size [about 1mm in width], little in weight
* battery good for min. 500 shots and decent handgrip? -> little impact on size, if properly done

* full frame 35mm sensor? -> some impact on size, but not a lot, if properly done (see Sony RX-1)

Even with all of these items built into a full-frame mirrorless cam, it could still be significantly smaller and also lighter than any DSLR.

 

[Fatalv]

Does anyone else want to be able to connect a remote shutter trigger? Wired would be fine. Or did I just miss the slot on my current model M?

+1 I'd love to be able to attach some M's to my dual telescope rig on my EQ mount. Losing the weight of the DSLR would be a huge benefit and still allow me to have a usable camera for day to day operations.

 

[brad-man]

I don't understand why people ask stuff that would be impossible to fit in such a small body. Do you guys want a mirrorless DSLR-like body?

no, we want solid and robust mirrorless system cameras with better IQ and photographic performance than any DSLR at a fraction of the bulk and weight. Good thing is, there is no law of nature against it. Only the unwillingness of imaging gear suppliers to build it, as long as they can sell yesterday's crap like the EOS-M or various DSLRs.

To be miore specific: what exactly would not fit into a very compact mirrorless system camera body?

* really fast and precise Hybrid AF [contrast AF plus phase-detect Af on sensor]? -> no difference in body size/weight
* vastly improved sensor with much better IQ ... resolution, DR, low-ISO, hi-ISO noise? -> no difference in size/weight
* ultra hi resolution "retina" EVF with minimum 4k rresoultion? -> no difference in size/weight
* one front-whell, one rear-whell and 5 freely assignable, well-placed buttons? -> no difference in size/weight
* higher fps? focus peaking? 1001 useful firmware features -> no difference in size/weight
* magnesium-alloy body, fully dust- and weathersealed [IP 67] ? -> no difference in size, little in weight
* WiFi, GPS, Canon-EX-RT radio flash master built in? -> very little impact on size/weight
* built-in little fil-flash -> little impact on size/weight
* fully articulated "retina" 4k LCD screen? -> very little impact on size [about 1mm in width], little in weight
* battery good for min. 500 shots and decent handgrip? -> little impact on size, if properly done

* full frame 35mm sensor? -> some impact on size, but not a lot, if properly done (see Sony RX-1)

Even with all of these items built into a full-frame mirrorless cam, it could still be significantly smaller and also lighter than any DSLR.

Welcome all, to Fantasy Island!

 

[hoodlum]

It'll be interesting to see if the new body comes to the US after what happened with the 11-22mm.

Nikon also seems to be pulling back from the US market with the 32mm only available through grey market now.

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/09/17/nikon-32-1-2-1-series-lens-now-special-order-only/

 

[josephandrews222]

...a previous poster listed one really important add-on for the new M: a tiny flash suitable for fill-flash. This is essential, I think.

 

[jebrady03]

...a previous poster listed one really important add-on for the new M: a tiny flash suitable for fill-flash. This is essential, I think.

Agreed. But then you'll see mass online grumblings that the flash isn't strong enough! In fact, some of the grumblings may be outright rage with empty threats to switch to Nikon!

 

[LeifHurst]

My only request... catch up with Fuji.

 

[mountain_drew]

I don't understand why people ask stuff that would be impossible to fit in such a small body. Do you guys want a mirrorless DSLR-like body?

no, we want solid and robust mirrorless system cameras with better IQ and photographic performance than any DSLR at a fraction of the bulk and weight. Good thing is, there is no law of nature against it. Only the unwillingness of imaging gear suppliers to build it, as long as they can sell yesterday's crap like the EOS-M or various DSLRs.

To be miore specific: what exactly would not fit into a very compact mirrorless system camera body?

* really fast and precise Hybrid AF [contrast AF plus phase-detect Af on sensor]? -> no difference in body size/weight
* vastly improved sensor with much better IQ ... resolution, DR, low-ISO, hi-ISO noise? -> no difference in size/weight
* ultra hi resolution "retina" EVF with minimum 4k rresoultion? -> no difference in size/weight
* one front-whell, one rear-whell and 5 freely assignable, well-placed buttons? -> no difference in size/weight
* higher fps? focus peaking? 1001 useful firmware features -> no difference in size/weight
* magnesium-alloy body, fully dust- and weathersealed [IP 67] ? -> no difference in size, little in weight
* WiFi, GPS, Canon-EX-RT radio flash master built in? -> very little impact on size/weight
* built-in little fil-flash -> little impact on size/weight
* fully articulated "retina" 4k LCD screen? -> very little impact on size [about 1mm in width], little in weight
* battery good for min. 500 shots and decent handgrip? -> little impact on size, if properly done

* full frame 35mm sensor? -> some impact on size, but not a lot, if properly done (see Sony RX-1)

Even with all of these items built into a full-frame mirrorless cam, it could still be significantly smaller and also lighter than any DSLR.

I don't think you'll get all of this. I think a great recipe would be to copy the SONY NEX-3N and the NEX-6 for the low-cost and high-cost version, with the 70D sensor, better LCD. That would mean fill flash and tilting screen on the cheap one, EVF and more buttons/wheels on the more expansive one. Perhaps the tilting screen is not possible if you want weather sealing, so that might mean picking one or the other. The WIFI might come with both because it might affect how consumers perceive the camera. I don't think Canon will invest in focus peaking, but we have it with magic lantern so it's fine to me, but that'd be nice to have it from the start.

If Canon just matches Sony's offering with the addition of the 70D sensor, they might have a good chance of competing against it and I'd probably be sold to the most expansive one. I know that if they match the NEX-6, I might just buy it, even though I had no intention of buying a mirrorless body 6 months ago, even less a second one!

 

[AvTvM]

If Canon just matches Sony's offering with the addition of the 70D sensor, they might have a good chance of competing against it and I'd probably be sold to the most expansive one. I know that if they match the NEX-6, I might just buy it, even though I had no intention of buying a mirrorless body 6 months ago, even less a second one!

Looking forward to Sony - hopefully! - announcing their rumored full-frame mirrorless system camera/s soon.

I just might get what I want ... a
* FF-sensored
* fully-featured
* highly capable
AND
* very compact
mirrorless system camera. Along with a couple of good and compact AF-lenses ["Zeiss" branded and hopefully also designed by them].

If true ... it'll be a good lesson for Canon and bad news for their underwhelming EOS-M line.

 

[sylvestrerato]

I'll buy when it's full framed.

 

[hoodlum]

If Canon just matches Sony's offering with the addition of the 70D sensor, they might have a good chance of competing against it and I'd probably be sold to the most expansive one. I know that if they match the NEX-6, I might just buy it, even though I had no intention of buying a mirrorless body 6 months ago, even less a second one!

Looking forward to Sony - hopefully! - announcing their rumored full-frame mirrorless system camera/s soon.

I just might get what I want ... a
* FF-sensored
* fully-featured
* highly capable
AND
* very compact
mirrorless system camera. Along with a couple of good and compact AF-lenses ["Zeiss" branded and hopefully also designed by them].

If true ... it'll be a good lesson for Canon and bad news for their underwhelming EOS-M line.

Are you prepared to pay $3k for the body ?

 

[Dylan777]

If Canon just matches Sony's offering with the addition of the 70D sensor, they might have a good chance of competing against it and I'd probably be sold to the most expansive one. I know that if they match the NEX-6, I might just buy it, even though I had no intention of buying a mirrorless body 6 months ago, even less a second one!

Looking forward to Sony - hopefully! - announcing their rumored full-frame mirrorless system camera/s soon.

I just might get what I want ... a
* FF-sensored
* fully-featured
* highly capable
AND
* very compact
mirrorless system camera. Along with a couple of good and compact AF-lenses ["Zeiss" branded and hopefully also designed by them].

If true ... it'll be a good lesson for Canon and bad news for their underwhelming EOS-M line.

Are you prepared to pay $3k for the body ?

I'm with AvTvM.

Keep the body size to RX1 or near to RX1, I'm more than happy to spend $3k on body. I spent $2800 on RX1 fixed lens and yes....it's the best little camera on the planet.

 

[fxk]

I'll buy when it's full framed.

Scratch one potential customer