UPDATED: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Famateur

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MSRP of $1,199. Same as 70D launch. For how much more is packed into this generation, I think the intro price is fair. I'll bet it will be $950 by Black Friday...
 

lucuias

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Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Famateur said:
lucuias said:
Famateur said:
lucuias said:
Comparing to sony a6300,this is a piece of garbage .sigh

Dang.

I guess I better throw my 70D away because it's not even as good as this garbage 80D is rumored to be.

Guess I better throw away the tens of thousands of images I've taken with it, too, as they must be utter garbage (after all, you can't get good images from a piece of garbage).

Oh, crap!!! This means I have to call up my clients to inform them that the photos they were just so pleased with are actually crap because they come from the garbage progenitor of a yet-to-be-released garbage camera!

Can this day get any worse???

Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!! Save me, SoNikon -- you're my only hope!!!

Sheesh...

::)

My work involve photography & Videography at the same time.It is 2016,I am expecting 4k video from canon.Sony & Panasonic can do it.Why not Canon?No I am not asking for DCI 4k 800mps bit rate as what 1dxII offering ,but just as the competitor offering UHD 4k 100mps bit rate since 80D is for enthusiastic.
Don't get offended,I am not saying your photos with Canon 70D is a garbage ,after all camera it is just a tools.like a brush for an artist,ofcourse there are good brush and bad brush. No doubt a good artist could make a fantastic art work with a bad brush,but with a good brush,he can just can make a better art work .At the same time,he can focus on creativity instead of fiddling with his bad brush.

You make some reasonable points, and no offense was taken. :p

That said, if there are products (like the GH4) that already have the features you need, why not buy (or save up for) them?

Perhaps the GH4 doesn't produce the stills features you're after?
If GH4 does produce the still feature I am looking for,I would have long gone.Looking at sony A6300 at price $1000 with the offered feature,it is a very tempting camera and 120fps really handy.
 

K

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I'm updating my opinion on this, given the corrected and updated specs list.

Here's the categories:

Stagnation = Failure to innovate or offer an update to current technologies.

Upgrade = something that was expected, anticipated, that Canon should have upgraded to that level based on competition and normal technological progress. A common sense, almost mandatory upgrade.

Gravy = something extra, more above and beyond than what Canon could have just offered. More than a standard evolutionary upgrade.

Bonus / Gift = something above and beyond, a real stand out improvement. Canon giving more than they had to.



New 24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor. Adopt a new miniaturization process - Upgrade. But nothing special unless there's some big IQ boosts that spec sheets can't show. I doubt that. Nikon has been running pretty good 24mp crop sensors for years now.

Image processing engine DIGIC6 - Upgrade. Nothing big here. It is expected they'd use a newer processor.

Regular sensitivity ISO100-16000 (ex tension 25600) - Upgrade. Given the competition and technological trends, this isn't hitting it out of the park. I'd say they caught up, some might say they're still a touch behind.

7560 pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor - Upgrade. Better, but nothing huge.

AF 45 points (all points cross type). AF distance measuring point of maximum 27 points F8
- Now this is a gravy. 45 points is very decent, all cross type - that's even better and many F8. Very nice. It would have been a big bonus but Nikon runs 51 point AF in similar models and the AF is pretty good. Apples to apples, Canon edges out Nikon on AF accuracy and speed, BUT ...Nikon is close enough and Nikon's better AF systems surpass Canon's older systems. Ex. the Nikon 51pt system is better than the old Canon 19pt system. So while Canon is better in general on AF, they aren't better when up against a higher end version the competition is running - but which we're forced to compare because dollar-wise, they are competitors.

-3EV AF - Bonus! This is huge. That is very low light capable AF. In the Canon lineup, right now only the 1DX2, 6D and 7DM2 can do -3EV. Having -3EV on this level camera is a nice touch and will make a big difference for those shooting events. I personally experienced low light even situations where my 6D was hitting fast and often, while the 5D3 was sluggish and missing. -3EV vs -2EV is a bigger difference than most people think. Better yet, going from -0.5EV to -3EV is huge.

Four of the AF area selection modes, including a new “L zone AF” - Upgrade. Stands to reason with 45pt system there would be more selections.

The number of pictures 77 copies in JPEG. 20 sheets in RAW - Upgrade. Nothing mind blowing here.

Continuous shooting in live view mode 5 frames / sec. (AF tracking)
- Gravy. 5fps on live view is good.

New mirror vibration control system to keep the mirror shock (MVCS) - Gravy. I'm assuming this is the technology used in the 5DS. If so, real nice touch to bring it down to the consumer level. With the smaller mirror and sensor, this should really help get crisper shots. However, those looking for the most will just lock the mirror anyway.

Finder is 100% field of view, magnification 0.95 times - Gravy. Crop cameras already have small view, darker view finders compared to FF cameras. Less than 100% makes them awful. This makes it usable. Crop cameras can use all the help they can get, and part of that is at least being able to get the full view. If you're thinking of shooting photos for a living, having a nice bright, large viewfinder is, all alone by itself, a feature that justifies a higher end FF DSLR. Virtually all other factors become secondary. Most people would never consider it that important. Spend 4+ hours behind a 1DX or 5DS and then try a 70D and see how you like it.

Anti-flicker - Bonus. While a higher end feature inherited from more expensive Canon cameras like the mirror shock control system, this is much, much more useful for more scenarios. Good job to Canon not being stingy and omitting this to cripple the camera in this regard.

Video is full HD 60fps. AF tracking
- Upgrade. 1080 60fps isn't exactly revolutionary.


Media SD / SDHC / SDXC (UHS-I compatible) = Stagnation. UHS-II has been out. Why not offer a brand new camera the latest technology?

Durability of the shutter is 100,000 times = Stagnation. 100K shutter...a ball-park endurance standard they've promoted for a long time.

One SD card slot
- Stagnation. Not only is it just UHS-1, but it's a single slot. C'mon Canon. Nikon has been offering dual slots on the D7100 and D7200 no problem. Give people the option for data integrity and security. This is truly to deter people from using it commercially. My proof is simple, if this thing had 2 slots, who would buy a 7D2? All the event shooters who either are on a super small budget (single camera) OR looking for a backup camera would no longer get the 7D2. The 7D2 would truly end up being a specialist camera for sports and wildlife and that's it. And I think that camera would fail if that's the only folks who bought it. A lot of pros are using the 7D2 as a backup. Not for its IQ, but for the cheapest way in the Canon system to run 2 slots and decent AF. The 7D2 has a wider appeal than credit is given to it for, but the 80D can seriously chip away at that. I think it has with AF at least. It lacks speed and 2 slots. Those who aren't sports or wildlife shooters can give up the 10fps, for a quite capably fast 7fps. But those who need 2 slots, need 2 slots.



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So there you have it. I find the new AF to be generous by Canon's standards. -3EV is great. Many F8 points is great. Anti-flicker, more buffer, newer sensor with more MP...all good things. Canon is usually stingy on features or upgrades, the 80D is a decent leap forward. Some generosity on the features. All the Sonikonians are going to focus in on the senor and nothing else, and bash this camera as offering nothing and being behind. That kind of myopic view is impractical, since this is a very functional, capable and useful camera is so many ways - I think a sane person could overlook a few small percentage points disadvantage to Nikon's sensors. Example, if you do any video at all, DPAF blows away anything Nikon can hope of offering. Besides, the average user of this camera will probably never know what DXO is, nor ever be able to tell the difference in IQ between the two, or even load or process RAW files a 1:1.


I think for the typical user, consumer - this camera will be awesome. Canon is offering huge improvement in the areas of weakness the 70D has. A nice bump in resolution, without stupidly large files, fast advanced AF. They kept the high FPS, DPAF and all that. This is the king of the consumer level APS-C cameras.

For those who might have wanted to have a nice, inexpensive backup camera for serious work - the lack of the 2nd slot makes this a deal breaker. And that is by design and Canon's goal. I think that is a shame, since at this price point, Nikon offers 2 slots. Can't have it all I guess. Those in the Nikon system can pick up a D7100 or D7200 and have a very capable backup camera for their FF on the cheap. Canon owners have to move up quite a bit for the same.


Overall, the 80D will be a big winner. What is not to like about this camera?
 

Famateur

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While I don't necessarily agree on all points, I like your summary, K. Now that it's official, what do you consider the 80D's GPS to be? Is that Upgraade, Gravy or Bonus? :p
 

Famateur

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Hmm...looks like DPReview goofed? They have a page here in which they explicitly mention that the 80D gains GPS, but it's not mentioned in the feature list here.

Kind of a major gaffe if DPReview has that wrong! :mad:

I was all excited about the GPS as more gravy...
 

tron

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I do not see the bump that 1DxII and 7DII have. Also there is no GPS mention in Canon press release.
 

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nightscape123 said:
neuroanatomist said:
nightscape123 said:
neuroanatomist said:
nightscape123 said:
However this seems like a camera that is geared heavily towards video yet it lacks the very basic 4k video that even most cell phones can do these days. I don't understand the logic here. Who would buy a such an expensive video camera that can't even handle basic resolutions?

You're right, just stick with your cell phone. They take great stills, too.

More and more people are. Even some wedding photographers are switching over to cell phones now.

Exactly. So leave this dump behind and head on over to iPhoneRumors.com. When you deliver your wedding stills and 4K video shot with a smartphone to the bride and she punches you in the face then sues for damages, don't blame us.

Have a nice life!

I'm sorry you are so angry but I am simply telling you what the trend is and what is starting to happen:

http://blog.kennykim.com/2012/05/iphone-wedding-photography-101.html
https://fstoppers.com/wedding/entire-wedding-shot-iphone-and-processed-using-instagram-5286
http://www.boredpanda.com/iphone-wedding-photography-sephi-bergerson-india/

I'm sure there are more, but no longer do you need an outdated crippled camera system that uses tech from 10 years ago, when cell phones have better options available. I have no idea why canon is choosing to cripple their new camera, but as long as they continue to do so the trend will continue, with cell phones increasingly replacing DSLR's.

LOL

So that statement is laughable. An 80D is 'crippled' but an iPhone isn't? For the purposes of wedding photography, really? Even though the DSLR has more resolution, better low and high ISO capability, interchangeable lenses, raw image output, built-in and optional additional flashguns... Sure, phone cameras are used to take a lot of pictures. But to claim that's because they are better is insane.
 

dufflover

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Looks just like a simple upgrade/refresh of the model to me.
Something in-line with the model being replaced with some updated tech to still try and appeal to people who may happen to want those particular features (like GPS or the AF I can imagine being big draw cards). For me it does have appeal in the AF and the larger shooting buffer (if I read that correctly), but probably not enough for me to shell out for one to "upgrade" my 70D.

But like a "true photographer" (i.e. suffering G.A.S :p ) , I've jinxed myself and will be cursing myself tomorrow wishing I had that improved AF and larger buffer!
 

K

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I would say GPS makes sense on a camera like this. It is a high end consumer DSLR, people will travel with it. Enthusiasts will do landscape and nature with it.

GPS makes less sense in high end bodies and pro equipment. Is one going to go on a remote photoshoot, lug out a pro FF frame, several huge L lenses, tripods, lighting gear and all kinds of other gear and not be able to track, document or remember their location? At that point, you can run a dedicated GPS that will do a better job. Yeah I know, it won't be in the photo's metadata. I can picture it now, I shot a model in front of the Colosseum in Rome, thank goodness I had GPS to tell me where that was. LOL. Seriously, how many are shooting out in the jungle or middle of no where, in an impromptu fashion to where they capture some scene or background that is so special, they need that GPS to recall it? I'd say almost no one. Virtually any rural scene can be recreated, as pros know how to create photos, not just take photos. If the scene is so special and unique - guess what? It's already some hotspot, landmark or popular place to take photos already.

Amateurs and enthusiasts who travel will do a lot of sightseeing and be on the move. On buses, tours, walking, hiking. It comes in handy to document where the shot was made.

If Canon is offering GPS, great. Better to have and not need, than need and not have. I'd easily trade GPS for a 2nd card slot though.
 

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I pretty much agree with everything K listed. His comments are logical and I agree with them. Except for the 2nd card slot thing. For me, it's an overrated feature and probably not appropriate for this camera given its' market. GPS on the other hand makes more sense as K said later, given its' market.

What continues to irritate the crap out of me is why Canon persists in putting old, slow card tech into their newest cameras. UHS-1? Really? What irked me a LOT more was the super dog slow SD slot on the 5D3 that even slowed down the faster CF if used. WTF??? That's the kind of thing that really fuels the haters and I can't argue on that point.

Personally, I don't NEED this camera but for the past few months I haven't NEEDed my 7D2 either. It's likely I might sell my 7D2 to buy the 80D. Honestly, the 80D is a more versatile crop body unless 10 fps, dual slots and awesome weather seal/rugged build are mandatory. The 7D2 is a beast and it's truly a more durable and better camera where it counts. But the 80D is a great camera if you don't need the 7D2 advantages per se.

I bet the 80D will be offered very soon at a significant discount via a package combo deal of some kind just like the 7D2 was when it came out.
 

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RustyTheGeek said:
I pretty much agree with everything K listed. His comments are logical and I agree with them. Except for the 2nd card slot thing. For me, it's an overrated feature and probably not appropriate for this camera given its' market. GPS on the other hand makes more sense as K said later, given its' market.

What continues to irritate the crap out of me is why Canon persists in putting old, slow card tech into their newest cameras. UHS-1? Really? What irked me a LOT more was the super dog slow SD slot on the 5D3 that even slowed down the faster CF if used. WTF??? That's the kind of thing that really fuels the haters and I can't argue on that point.

Personally, I don't NEED this camera but for the past few months I haven't NEEDed my 7D2 either. It's likely I might sell my 7D2 to buy the 80D. Honestly, the 80D is a more versatile crop body unless 10 fps, dual slots and awesome weather seal/rugged build are mandatory. The 7D2 is a beast and it's truly a more durable and better camera where it counts. But the 80D is a great camera if you don't need the 7D2 advantages per se.

I bet the 80D will be offered very soon at a significant discount via a package combo deal of some kind just like the 7D2 was when it came out.
For me, the 7D2 was a no-brainer due to the robust construction (I use them hard and in remote areas, from hot to well below freezing, sun and rain), but I see the 80D as a good indication as to what will be in the 7D3.... good solid incremental upgrades and lots of f8 af points....
 

tron

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RustyTheGeek said:
I pretty much agree with everything K listed. His comments are logical and I agree with them. Except for the 2nd card slot thing. For me, it's an overrated feature and probably not appropriate for this camera given its' market. GPS on the other hand makes more sense as K said later, given its' market.

What continues to irritate the crap out of me is why Canon persists in putting old, slow card tech into their newest cameras. UHS-1? Really? What irked me a LOT more was the super dog slow SD slot on the 5D3 that even slowed down the faster CF if used. WTF??? That's the kind of thing that really fuels the haters and I can't argue on that point.

Personally, I don't NEED this camera but for the past few months I haven't NEEDed my 7D2 either. It's likely I might sell my 7D2 to buy the 80D. Honestly, the 80D is a more versatile crop body unless 10 fps, dual slots and awesome weather seal/rugged build are mandatory. The 7D2 is a beast and it's truly a more durable and better camera where it counts. But the 80D is a great camera if you don't need the 7D2 advantages per se.

I bet the 80D will be offered very soon at a significant discount via a package combo deal of some kind just like the 7D2 was when it came out.
I agree with you on UHS-1. It wouldn't hurt them to put a UHS-3 to allow the use of new fast 250mb/sec write SD cards. This would probably allow even for unlimited raws at 7fps.
 

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tron said:
RustyTheGeek said:
I pretty much agree with everything K listed. His comments are logical and I agree with them. Except for the 2nd card slot thing. For me, it's an overrated feature and probably not appropriate for this camera given its' market. GPS on the other hand makes more sense as K said later, given its' market.

What continues to irritate the crap out of me is why Canon persists in putting old, slow card tech into their newest cameras. UHS-1? Really? What irked me a LOT more was the super dog slow SD slot on the 5D3 that even slowed down the faster CF if used. WTF??? That's the kind of thing that really fuels the haters and I can't argue on that point.

Personally, I don't NEED this camera but for the past few months I haven't NEEDed my 7D2 either. It's likely I might sell my 7D2 to buy the 80D. Honestly, the 80D is a more versatile crop body unless 10 fps, dual slots and awesome weather seal/rugged build are mandatory. The 7D2 is a beast and it's truly a more durable and better camera where it counts. But the 80D is a great camera if you don't need the 7D2 advantages per se.

I bet the 80D will be offered very soon at a significant discount via a package combo deal of some kind just like the 7D2 was when it came out.
I agree with you on UHS-1. It wouldn't hurt them to put a UHS-3 to allow the use of new fast 250mb/sec write SD cards. This would probably allow even for unlimited raws at 7fps.

Yep. If anyone wants to accuse Canon of crippling a camera or being just plain stupid, I would have to agree on the SD slot speed. Esp on a camera that is such a video star. Starting with the 70D, the video on these has been a standout. Along with the impressive 7 fps stills. So why use a slow outdated SD card chipset? I've never understood why Canon holds back on card slot transfer speed tech. It's not like they have to invent it or even design it! Weird.

And while I'm whining about the slow SD card, I should also point out the ancient USB 2.0 port. WTF??? Even USB 3 is old now. The new kid on the block is USB-C. So what gives with that?? All I can think of is this... as an IT guy I am aware of how buggy and unreliable certain USB 3 chipsets can be when connected to other USB 3 chipsets. In fact, until USB 3, I rarely ever had to deal with firmware upgrade fixes for a USB chipset! And don't even get me started on all the different buggy driver versions. So perhaps Canon doesn't see a big enough reason to sacrifice reliability for speed. In most cases, USB 2 just works.

So while I am impressed and generally happy with the 80D, I'm pretty perplexed as to why they have held back on the basics like SD card and USB transfer speed technology. It's a strange design choice in 2016.
 

tron

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RustyTheGeek said:
tron said:
RustyTheGeek said:
I pretty much agree with everything K listed. His comments are logical and I agree with them. Except for the 2nd card slot thing. For me, it's an overrated feature and probably not appropriate for this camera given its' market. GPS on the other hand makes more sense as K said later, given its' market.

What continues to irritate the crap out of me is why Canon persists in putting old, slow card tech into their newest cameras. UHS-1? Really? What irked me a LOT more was the super dog slow SD slot on the 5D3 that even slowed down the faster CF if used. WTF??? That's the kind of thing that really fuels the haters and I can't argue on that point.

Personally, I don't NEED this camera but for the past few months I haven't NEEDed my 7D2 either. It's likely I might sell my 7D2 to buy the 80D. Honestly, the 80D is a more versatile crop body unless 10 fps, dual slots and awesome weather seal/rugged build are mandatory. The 7D2 is a beast and it's truly a more durable and better camera where it counts. But the 80D is a great camera if you don't need the 7D2 advantages per se.

I bet the 80D will be offered very soon at a significant discount via a package combo deal of some kind just like the 7D2 was when it came out.
I agree with you on UHS-1. It wouldn't hurt them to put a UHS-3 to allow the use of new fast 250mb/sec write SD cards. This would probably allow even for unlimited raws at 7fps.

Yep. If anyone wants to accuse Canon of crippling a camera or being just plain stupid, I would have to agree on the SD slot speed. Esp on a camera that is such a video star. Starting with the 70D, the video on these has been a standout. Along with the impressive 7 fps stills. So why use a slow outdated SD card chipset? I've never understood why Canon holds back on card slot transfer speed tech. It's not like they have to invent it or even design it! Weird.

And while I'm whining about the slow SD card, I should also point out the ancient USB 2.0 port. WTF??? Even USB 3 is old now. The new kid on the block is USB-C. So what gives with that?? All I can think of is this... as an IT guy I am aware of how buggy and unreliable certain USB 3 chipsets can be when connected to other USB 3 chipsets. In fact, until USB 3, I rarely ever had to deal with firmware upgrade fixes for a USB chipset! And don't even get me started on all the different buggy driver versions. So perhaps Canon doesn't see a big enough reason to sacrifice reliability for speed. In most cases, USB 2 just works.

So while I am impressed and generally happy with the 80D, I'm pretty perplexed as to why they have held back on the basics like SD card and USB transfer speed technology. It's a strange design choice in 2016.
But they already use USB 3.0 Check 1DxII, 5DS(R) and 7D2 interface specifications.
 

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nightscape123 said:
neuroanatomist said:
nightscape123 said:
However this seems like a camera that is geared heavily towards video yet it lacks the very basic 4k video that even most cell phones can do these days. I don't understand the logic here. Who would buy a such an expensive video camera that can't even handle basic resolutions?

You're right, just stick with your cell phone. They take great stills, too.

More and more people are. Even some wedding photographers are switching over to cell phones now.

LOL! I really did laugh out loud. The worst part of it is that it might be true, in that someone who calls themselves a wedding photog may use a cell phone, but not someone worthy of their humanity. Thanks for making my day!
;D ;D ;D
 

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The 80D, more attention than the 1Dx2

I think the 80d is much more a serious potential prospect for a lot of us. Much of the interest in the 1dx ii is highly academic in nature I would reckon. (of course a lot of folks will buy it, but more people won't due to the high cost)
 
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