No new EOS R body shipping in 2019 [CR2]

Del Paso

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I stopped (partly) the so-called hemorrhaging :ROFLMAO: by buying yesterday a totally obsolete:ROFLMAO: DSLR (5 D IV) and I'm happy like hell :love: !
Someday, I'll get the EOS R high-MP, but mostly for my vintage Leica lenses and macro.
 

SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
204
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Cards don’t just fail. They also get lost, damaged and stolen
Just to be clear: I'm not saying 1 card is enough; I'm positive future models will have 2 and it's good that they will.

I'm just saying the R doesn't rule itself out for all pros with just one slot.

I worry constantly when all that stands between me and losing a months work is a single card
I download to the laptop nightly but maybe that doesn't work for everyone.

BTW, remember the R has WiFi and Bluetooth and can be set to automatically download all photos to your smartphone or laptop.

What's interesting about that is 1) it gives you your second copy, and 2) if the media fails while in the camera, the camera will tell you that it's unable to read the photos to transmit them.

It’s probably about $3 in parts
The big surprise to me is that they went single-slot, but that might be a means to artificially differentiate the pro model from the R. The R is fantastically capable and I don't see a huge amount that can be improved for still photog (other than making it bigger, heavier, but sturdier and more ergonomic, and of course IBIS).
 
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SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
204
69
mostly for my vintage Leica lenses and macro
In two months, over half my images are with the Leica 35/1.4 ASPH, despite owning the RF24-105 and RF50/1.2. Between focus peaking and magnifier, it's a dream. I'm really considering a Leica 35/2 or 50/1.4 as my next purchase; the AF and IS make the small Canon primes still monsters compared to the Leica lenses. A Chinese company called Kiton also has a full range of 2.4 primes. (24 28 35 50 75 90 I think.)
 
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CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
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I never said that Canon wasn't doing well. The term hemorrhaging means bleeding. There is no disputing Sony has become a big player. I am buying a used 1DX mkII shortly from someone going over to Sony. One of my shooting partners has swapped to Sony. They have serious momentum and some damn good cameras and represent stiff competition.
A paper cut bleeds. Hemorrhaging is life threatening. Sony is not a big player. Sony's total market share has not changed much either way in the last 10 years (14% vs Canon's 50%). When Q1 reports are released for 2019... I'm going to declare that Canon is hammering and eviscerating Sony. I'll use those exact words regardless of the Q1 results simply because I like to chum it up with you dramatic Sony types. BTW: I also measure what's going on in the market by what my two friends are doing. Interesting that you choose a used 1DX Mark II over a new Sony.
 
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CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,027
592
Irving, Texas
Why on earth do you not consider the EOS R a pro level camera? The only thing the 5D IV has over it is dual card slots, and if you can’t deal with that by shooting multiple cards, and backing up frequently through an event, then you should try. :) Everything else is better on the EOS R, and it’s made the 5D IV obsolete, to date. Spend the money on some of the new glass, and go out and take spectacular pictures. It’s what many of us are doing! :)
Backing up frequently doesn't replace lost shots when a card fails. BTW: There are no professional cameras. There are professional photographers. I am no professional photographer when it comes to making a living at it. However, when I shoot an important event I try to be professional in action and demeanor. At those events I have set the standard for myself to shoot RAW to two cards at the same time. Why? Because some moments/shots cannot be redone. If one is willing to sign a contract to deliver a product, one better darn well be able to deliver. I suspect you don't own the 5D Mark IV nor the R. Your saying the R makes the Mark IV obsolete belies a gross unfamiliarity with one or both cameras. I volunteer shoot for a big fashion charity. Models, designers, MUAH, etc. all pay for their photos. Proceeds go to the charity work. All of it. If a card fails on me I could lose dozens of shots that cannot be duplicated. Huge time constraints. Those people will have sometimes traveled halfway around the world and paid good money to the charity. They'd have to be refunded. I'd then have a reputation as unreliable. So would the charity. Different story if I'm shooting portraits at the park. I've studied at getting an RP myself, but as an extreme emergency backup to my dual slot camera. Probably will go 5D IV or V instead... unless a dual slot R gets released. Even then, to be able to use RF lenses, not because the 5 series is obsolete.
 
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Pape

EOS 80D
Dec 31, 2018
153
46
As a guy sitting in cardiac unit following a procedure.... yeah, I'm complaining we have but one heart. Silly analogy. ;) A 2 card slotted camera can be purchased by those who need one.
Yep canon and god didnt made mistake ,second heart and card is for premium bodys like angels and top models :p
 
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SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
204
69
Lenses are functionality. But you can design lenses differently to come up with similar or interchangeable functionality.
Apparently not--nothing like the RF 50/1.2 or RF 28-70/2.0 has ever been offered for SLRs. Nor the rumored RF15-35IS and so on.


So far I haven’t seen any evidence that removing the mirror box affects price.
5D4: $2999. R: $2299. Almost identical specs in many ways so I'd call them comperable. I'm not sure what more evidence you're looking for.


Size? Sure you can make something slightly smaller by removing the mirror. Significantly smaller? Not really.
890g vs. 660g? 25% lighter is significant. The lenses can also be substantially smaller.
 

SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
204
69
Not sure what else they might add.
Lots of little things might be addressed. For instance, when I use the touch screen's right half with my left finger, it thinks my eye is nearing the viewfinder so turns the touch screen off.

Or, in Fv mode, to turn aperture/time/ISO to auto, you have to scroll to the far left; it could be a separate button on the screen.

Or, the setting for face/eye detection or small/very small AF point could be moved into the main spectrum of AF options, instead of being buried in menus.

Zebra warnings in the finder.

Focus peaking in magnify.
 
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neuroanatomist

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I never said that Canon wasn't doing well. The term hemorrhaging means bleeding. There is no disputing Sony has become a big player. I am buying a used 1DX mkII shortly from someone going over to Sony. One of my shooting partners has swapped to Sony. They have serious momentum and some damn good cameras and represent stiff competition.
LOL. If you prick your finger on a rose thorn, that’s a hemorrhage? The term hemorrhaging means copious, severe bleeding. You might want to look that one up. One person you know has swapped to Sony? OMG, Canon is doomed!! :rolleyes:

We both know you are implying that Canon is in some sort of trouble because of Sony’s ‘serious momentum’. Except that the reality of sales numbers show that simply not true, so now you’re waffling on your claim when faced with facts.

Sony was a ‘big player’ in APS-C MILCs, too. It’s easy to be a big player in a segment where there is no competition. Remember when Sony was selling tons of NEX cameras and Canon was in trouble because they didn’t have any mirrorless offerings? Then came the EOS M, and Sony pivoted to FF MILCs, and a few years later who is the market leader in APS-C MILCs? Canon. Now there’s the R and the RP, and Sony really has nowhere left to pivot. Remember Vaio?
 
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JonSnow

EOS 80D
Sep 10, 2018
146
87
How come this can be interpreted has...."normal" or without surprise? Canon is 3 years behind! They have answered to a change in the market in a terrible slower way! In the same way How come the lenses can serve as an excuse?? No way!! RF adapters and the existing lenses can give Canon the confidence to launch a Pro body! If they don´t launch it is because they don´t have it!
I don´t believe i am saying this.....but i see the good bye Canon, closer and closer....
indeed..... let the ewig gestrigen use canon until they drop dead.

i can shoot great images with any a camera.
and i buy the ones that offer me the most for my money.

canons cripple cameras are sure not that attractive anymore.
 

JonSnow

EOS 80D
Sep 10, 2018
146
87
when canon is doing so well why they lay of staff in america and some european countrys?
staff from the camera division.....
 

BeenThere

EOS 6D MK II
Sep 4, 2012
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I'm surprised. The High MP camera is not the one I want next. I'm waiting for a 5D IV replacement which seems now to be a long way off.
I'm still not sure why Canon is pushing pro lens without a pro camera.
The RP will sell well but it seems a camera to me that requires some cheaper lens.
Maybe by hinting at no more new cameras in 2019 they are trying to encourage sales of the existing mirrorless cameras.
I wonder is Canon haven't difficulty designing a more advanced mirrorless camera.
I am guessing that some major component of the “pro” R has been delayed in its development. Could be the new sensor, or improved EVF, or faster processor. Production problems often cause schedules to slip.
 

privatebydesign

Would you take advice from a cartoons stuffed toy?
Jan 29, 2011
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when canon is doing so well why they lay of staff in america and some european countrys?
staff from the camera division.....
Because the overall camera market is contracting!

If you used to sell 10,000,000 P&S’s a year and now sell 1,000,000 how many people are you going to keep employing in the P&S division? How many people are you going to keep in shipping and warehousing and logistics and marketing if you are manufactureing 9,000,000 less physical products per year?

If you sell that 1,000,000 for several times the money of the old ones, GX7 II vs ELPH 180, you can make more profit on lower turnover with incredible operational savings due to lower physical volume.

All the camera manufacturers have said the same thing, they are looking to increase profit per unit and raise the price per unit to counteract the smaller market.
 

LesC

EOS RP
Jun 27, 2013
226
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Absolutely NOT. There are too many options available. Doesn't make sense for Canon to bypass wedding season for 2020 and release only pro level lenses without a pro body, placing there bets on a camera days before the Tokyo Olympics. My bet would be that Canon as usual is holding it's cards until this summer.
All depends on personal preference. I just got a very good eal on the EOS R +RF 24-105L kit. With my 6D MKII makes a perferct pairing - for ME ...
 

MaxDiesel

I'm New Here
Sep 23, 2015
17
1
So, what features are missing in current cameras that:
a) make an actual measurable difference in image quality
b) make an actual measurable difference in what images are practical to capture
c) both fall in either of the above categories AND require the absence of a mirror box

I know of only one feature that would arguably fall in category c: no more cropped bokeh balls. That's solved by removing the mechanical obstruction that is the mirror box. That's already solved by both the R series bodies, right? What's next?

Ibis? You can combine that with a mirror.
Eye AF? That too.
Floppy flippy screen? Come on!
Lightweight body? Have you seen the 6D?
Exposure preview, focus peaking or zebra stripes in viewfinder? Just make the (now 300k pixel) light meter slightly higher resolution and add an oled display in the ovf stack where there are already LEDs.
The slapping mirror makes an astonishing small impact on the overall system once you really start to think about it.
Just to name a few:

  • No More AMFA (Just that is worth the price of admission)
  • Liveview in EVF (Does wonders in low light situations, you see you subject)
  • Focus Peaking
  • High burst rate even in Quiet Shutter Settings
  • Quieter Shutter Operations
... and thats just a few.
 
Jan 31, 2016
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Québec
The R is fantastically capable and I don't see a huge amount that can be improved for still photog (other than making it bigger, heavier, but sturdier and more ergonomic, and of course IBIS).
That's an interesting thought. It always seems that customers are looking for small and light cameras, but I wonder how many people, like you and me, favor a sturdy, tough camera suitable for big hands. A camera that will withstand the dangers of many days outside the studio.

And of course IBIS, and of course great low light sensitivity, and of course a fantastic AF, and of course at least 8.5 fps.
 

Mt Spokane Photography

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Mar 25, 2011
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While, I expect the rumor is true, Canon has different design teams and a different production lines for lenses and camera bodies, so either there is more work to be done in getting a new body ready, or its a pragmatic decision to wait for the new lenses. I suspect that its a matter of the design being ready, a high mp or pro level body can work just fine with existing EF lenses and sales would not be hampered by those waiting for new lenses.

There is also probably the matter of the competition and what they are developing that comes into play. The competition is going to be stiff and may result in modifications to the planned design. If so, that results in a all out effort to get back on track.

In addition, their best designers are probably working on the 1DX II replacement and may need more time to get it right before those key designers are freed up to help solve the inevitible issues with the new mirrorless design.

There are lots of possible reasons, but I would not pick the new lenses as the reason because they are not a essential requirement to release the new body..