The follow-up to the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II may come in 2019 [CR2]

Jack Douglas

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A 1D X mark 2 replacement will be out before July 2020.

It will have dual CFast card slots
That's an exceedingly modest prediction. Can't you do better than that! ;)

It bugs me that there wasn't even a modest attempt to update the camera. For example, why it would default to CF after having removed/inserted cards when the best performance is with CFast (CF=1, CFAST=2). I tried to get them to modify photo review so you coud go back over a sequence without first having to hit the shutter (you otherwise can only view the last shot). I somehow don't think the 1DX2 is very high prioritity and doubt if an new version will have much added.

Jack
 

Jack Douglas

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unfocused, it's pretty clear to me that anyone shooting jpg is simply using the photos as they are shot with perhaps cropping and that's it. In that scenario speed to market is really all they care about, and that understandable. There would be no pride in any of the usual areas that constitute a great photo because it's just a wow sports photo for sports fans.

Surely anyone who cares would shoot RAW and as you say basic adjustments are quick anyway.

Jack
 

Pape

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it isnt modest prediction. if next pro model got phone they may think second card slot is waste. I think they should keep two slot or even add more just cause more cards writes faster than one.
WEird fact that R camera got just one ,may predict something like that.
they may just runned out time to finish R camera like it was meaned.
 
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Jack Douglas

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I guess we'll never know but I don't think the R was rushed, I think they simply didn't want it to have some things we might have wished for and 2 card slots is one of them.

Jack
 
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Pape

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Yes we never know if it was rushed ,but i could imagine scenario.
Last spring nikon spys figured out ,superior canon R5R is near to be finished.
Their stradegists told if we release z6 and z7 after canon ,nobody buys them. they arent yet better than sony camera but if we release them now we get some good profit.
So they did . And now Canon was forced to released their new camera too ,to show peoples they are coming to mirrorless .
But new sensor and computers and phone wasnt finished and tested enough to be reliable.
so they just used old parts to new body.
maybe i got just too much imagination :p
Yep Its also possible that they didnt wanted put all profeccional camera things to it cause too near their real pro camera release .
Peoples might just been happy about excellent R camera.
what ever it is ,something good is happening soon cause canon wouldnt leave best model without 2nd card slot without good reason.

I think message they want give with R is . Look what we can do,we are serious with mirrorless.
But leaving important things off is warning . Dont buy this camera ,cause you feel cheated when lot better camera comes half year later .
Or rather dont waste money now,cause bit later you need LOT of it :D
 
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That's an exceedingly modest prediction. Can't you do better than that! ;)

It bugs me that there wasn't even a modest attempt to update the camera. For example, why it would default to CF after having removed/inserted cards when the best performance is with CFast (CF=1, CFAST=2). I tried to get them to modify photo review so you coud go back over a sequence without first having to hit the shutter (you otherwise can only view the last shot). I somehow don't think the 1DX2 is very high prioritity and doubt if an new version will have much added.

Jack
I said dual CFast. It is implicit that it lacks CF slots.

Other things to expect is a better & more complicated AF system with more zones and focusing points. Hopefully it will be spread out to touch the edge of the image sensor frame.

A deeper buffer and more shots per second

Honestly, you cant improve the thing any further than what it is today.
 

Michael Clark

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unfocused, it's pretty clear to me that anyone shooting jpg is simply using the photos as they are shot with perhaps cropping and that's it. In that scenario speed to market is really all they care about, and that understandable. There would be no pride in any of the usual areas that constitute a great photo because it's just a wow sports photo for sports fans.

Surely anyone who cares would shoot RAW and as you say basic adjustments are quick anyway.

Jack
Or they are submitting to one of the wire services that require images be shot as jpegs in-camera. Reuters, for instance.
 
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Jack Douglas

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Michael, of course one can not argue against that scenario. The thing is, many of us are ignorant of the reality of the world that some people live in.

Pape, I think from our outside vantage point these things seem to make sense but honestly I doubt they are true, although I would allow for an element of what you describe to exist. Competition does force some adjustments, we just don't know to what extent.

dolina, I'd also bet on dual CFast. My comments were in the realm of why we never got any modest firmware updates to improve on anything in the 1DX2, illustrated by two of my peeves.

You have to be careful in predicting things that are physically impossible such as a mirror camera having focus points similar to mirrorless. Unless there is some major breakthrough it isn't going to happen. Much like the trend to smaller integration - at some point there aren't enough electrons at the atomic level to allow further decreases and a different physical digital format not based on a transistor would be required. The law of diminishing returns takes over - think 8086 -> 486 computers and then Pentium, the pace had to slow and the focus had to shift.

I agree that there could/should be improvements in general in 1DX2 AF performance as computing speed and software/firmware implementation changes. I have this gut feeling that they are/will be abandoning anything exceedingly impressive as far as the 1DX is concerned, leaving it to simply become an historic museum piece. IOW, I don't expect a 1DX3 to be all that compelling for 1DX2 owners.:( Maybe a flippy screen ... nope. Lots more MP ... nope. Typical users don't want what some of us might want. That's my guess.

A very frustrating reality is that Canon won't put 1 level features into other cameras. It no longer makes sense to define a single pro 1 level camera. For example, there should be 1 level for high resolution and 1level for speed, both having illuminated focus points. Alternately, design the camera so it has large MP with a versatile crop mode so you have both speed and resolution available.

Jack
 

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I'm not so gloomy on the prospect of the 1DX MkIII, I feel they could throw everything at it as a last hurrah.

I'd like:-
  1. 30MP
  2. Illuminated buttons
  3. Full touch screen
  4. Tilt/swivel screen
  5. Built in intavalometer
  6. Built in wireless
  7. 240fps 1080
  8. Same stills fps
  9. C-Log
  10. .CR3
  11. Much fuller wireless control
  12. Uncropped 4k
  13. Built in RT flash controller
  14. Dual pixel sub image RAW option
  15. Dual CFast
Don't know what we'll get but none of those are unachievable...
 

Jack Douglas

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I'm not so gloomy on the prospect of the 1DX MkIII, I feel they could throw everything at it as a last hurrah.

I'd like:-
  1. 30MP
  2. Illuminated buttons
  3. Full touch screen
  4. Tilt/swivel screen
  5. Built in intavalometer
  6. Built in wireless
  7. 240fps 1080
  8. Same stills fps
  9. C-Log
  10. .CR3
  11. Much fuller wireless control
  12. Uncropped 4k
  13. Built in RT flash controller
  14. Dual pixel sub image RAW option
  15. Dual CFast
Don't know what we'll get but none of those are unachievable...
Well in that case poor old me would revise my plans and buy one! It really disappointed me to have had 20 MP and then move to a new 1DX2 with 20 MP. Of course I wasn't alone on that I know.;) My compensation was coupling it with the 400 DO II X2 III and that breathed in knew life since AF has been good and 14 FPS has been great and 800mm is fine for birds.

Jack
 

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Well in that case poor old me would revise my plans and buy one! It really disappointed me to have had 20 MP and then move to a new 1DX2 with 20 MP. Of course I wasn't alone on that I know.;) My compensation was coupling it with the 400 DO II X2 III and that breathed in knew life since AF has been good and 14 FPS has been great and 800mm is fine for birds.

Jack
I would be ok with 30MP as long as it is not the 5d4 type sensor. I felt as if I was able to get more range in my edits from my 1dx2 than I was from a 5d4.
 

AdamBotond

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The 1D X was introduced in Q2 of 2012. The first copies were available in time for the 2012 Summer Olympics, which ran from July 27-August 12.

The 1D-X Mark II was introduced in Q1 of 2016, in time for the 2016 Summer Games, which ran from August 5-21.

That's just less than four years, not almost five.
1D X was announced in October 2011, so specs were pretty much given by then, no matter when it became commercially available. So from October 2011 till Feburary 2016 (announcement of the 1D-X II) its a 4 and a half years long time span. Is that correct?
 

Michael Clark

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1D X was announced in October 2011, so specs were pretty much given by then, no matter when it became commercially available. So from October 2011 till Feburary 2016 (announcement of the 1D-X II) its a 4 and a half years long time span. Is that correct?
Whatever the cause of the delay between the announcement in late 2011 and the first availability of camera bodies in Q2 of 2012, development of the 1D X Mark II probably did not start in earnest until the issues holding up the production of the 1D X were resolved.

Part of it was Canon's tendency back in 2011-12 to announce new products several months before anticipated availability. By 2016, Canon had a adopted much shorter lead times between official new product announcements and release dates.