Canon EOS M5 Coming Before Photokina [CR3]

[dolina]

Here are both sides.

legit or just drawings? we all want to know now

Looks like something a design student would do for a school project.

TBH I'd rather buy a Sony today than a Canon tomorrow. Technology-wise Sony's mirrorless is superior to any Canon mirrorless.

Emphasizing mirrorless because someone... someone. someone.

 

[Rocky]

I cannot understand why people are so upset about the Ms and canon does not make a mirrorless with all the features that every body has asked for. My personal opinion is all the Ms are aiming at the followings and has been fulfill then with excellence: 1. small (borderline on pocketable with the 22 mm lens) 2. Reasonable priced, about $400. 3. Got enough "smaller" lens to cover from 11mm to 250mm at a reasonable price. any focal length longer than 250mm or shorter than 11mm belongs to the "Elite" group. Some people complain about there is no fast prime or fast zoom. These will defeat the concept of small and reasonable price. I do agree that the AF should be faster. For me it is good enough because I do not shoot sports, children or birds. I like the Ms so much that the M and the M2 replaced my 40D and 20D as my travel cameras and doing the job very well. I do not even miss my 40D or 20D. I did not get the M3 due to the larger size and the Powershot interface. I am looking forward to see the M5.

 

[brad-man]

I cannot understand why people are so upset about the Ms and canon does not make a mirrorless with all the features that every body has asked for. My personal opinion is all the Ms are aiming at the followings and has been fulfill then with excellence: 1. small (borderline on pocketable with the 22 mm lens) 2. Reasonable priced, about $400. 3. Got enough "smaller" lens to cover from 11mm to 250mm at a reasonable price. any focal length longer than 250mm or shorter than 11mm belongs to the "Elite" group. Some people complain about there is no fast prime or fast zoom. These will defeat the concept of small and reasonable price. I do agree that the AF should be faster. For me it is good enough because I do not shoot sports, children or birds. I like the Ms so much that the M and the M2 replaced my 40D and 20D as my travel cameras and doing the job very well. I do not even miss my 40D or 20D. I did not get the M3 due to the larger size and the Powershot interface. I am looking forward to see the M5.

Fast zooms will definitely be large. Fast primes, not so much...

 

[Woody]

TBH I'd rather buy a Sony today than a Canon tomorrow. Technology-wise Sony's mirrorless is superior to any Canon mirrorless.

Any MILC with DPAF (or equivalent) and touchscreen gets my vote.

At the moment, neither Sony nor Canon has anything that gets my vote.

 

[AvTvM]

to me the rumored M5 drawing unfortunately looks legit. It looks distinctively "Canon". And it is basically as big and fat and ugly as n SL-1 rebel. I do fear, we will get basically a mirrorless SL-2 .. only with EF-M mount.

"fast" primes ... I am not asking for f/1.2 or f/1.4 clunkers costing 1000+ like Fuji sells to their naive customers. I am perfectly happy with my small, good and dirt cheap EF-M 22/2.0.

I am missing only one more EF-M prime lens, a "faster than zooms" short tele/portrait prime. Something like a EF-M 85/2.4 IS STM - *as compact as possible*, *optically as decent as the 22/2" and also reasonably priced.

EF-M lens lineup is very good and not a problem at all. The problem are Canon EOS M camera bodies. Powershot firmware/UI ... give me a break! No model with built-in EVF ... give me a break. Sensors and AF system subpar ... give me a break! "industry leader" Canon. So stupid.

 

[gpp]

So what do we actually want? what would it take to please everybody?

-Do a fullreadout of it to 4K, to an effcient compreased codec, in a small body, no fans, without overheating
-Or have a Global shutter sensor with magically acceptable lowlight performance?
-Or have all the features of a higher end product (FF, 30mp, DPAF, 4k) yet at rebel/eos m price
-Or have tons of lenses designed, made and released before the Company even still are sure of the entire line.

All of these would be cool. I'd take the EOS M5 with the 80D sensor DR doing 4K 60p + CLOG with DPAF and high end EVF, large battery, high burst rate with a CFAST + UHSII SD slot, Plus a parallel anouncement for M lenses:

-22mm f/2 IS
-35mm f/2 IS
-50mm f/2 IS
-85mm f/2.8 IS
-18-150mm IS at a tiny size.
-A Canon EF to EF-M Focal reducer.

It's not gonna happen. Because of technicalities, some of which are actually impossible to make for Canon (ful readout 4k, 60p at mirrorless size - it fries the 1DXII and the A6300, or large battery/low consumption at mirrorless size). And some of which are marketing based. There's a rule you need to be aware of when expecting future releases. They will not releaae a better camera than a newly announced one at a lower price. Better at a higher price? Sure. 1DXII is almost the perfect photo/video camera of the planet, because they aren't limited to cutting a higher end product (well, except for the 1DC, so removed C'Log, Look, even the highest end 1DXII gets some of it)

So what do we expect?

The current M3 is a Rebel in a mirrorless body.

A more pro version would most definitely be an 80D in a mirrorless body. But not a single step above the 80D.

It will have the 80D featute set without the battery and OVF and durability, but you get in return a smaller camera and an EVF if you prefer it plus peaking and theae two are very cool for videographers when paired together)

-A new body design that's BOLD. See what Canon is doing to the lower line. They'rr going for BOLD VINTAGE LINES.
-EVF.
-300-400 shots battery vs 1000ish with an 80D (real world not cipa)
-Same 80D sensor,
-Same DPAF
-Same 1080p 60p
-Same Touchacreen
-Same two wheel dials
-Same one SD card slot

A solid entry for Canon in the Mirrorless market for photographers. It's A6300 level but a Canon, so great. The M5 wi
l be a hit. But in the videography world (aside from V-loggera) it will be slaughtered on announcement. Which Canon knows and is not making this camera for those people anyway! (hard to understand that the company could make something not for you, how could they!!)

For those still waiting for Canon to lead the low-end video market again, I am sorry. It's over.

They're trying/leading at only the 3000+ arena. And they take comfort that anything Canon has made since the 550D will allow you to make a groundbreaking film if you have the talent for it.

No the M5 will not be the revival of Canon video because it has an EVF and peaking. It will have no more the 1080p, no more than 60p, normal quality video that's a little soft with hints of aliasing. Again, just like the 80D. It will not be the revival of Canon lowend video many are waiting for, but it will be a camera that can produce some awesome video/film nonetheless, in the right hands. The 80D is making a very high success in video and the m5 will top it off with an EVF and peaking. So fine really.

Estimated price?

 

[warrior]

Here is some info on upcoming M5 from trusted (but not verified yet) source from Japan devision.

Canon EOS M5 - name 100%
NO 80D sensor, but similar 90%
NO DPAF! 100%
New AF improved. More AF points 100%
NO 4K 100%
NO 50/60 Full HD recording 90%
NO weather sealing 100%

There will be a viewfinder 100%

NO any fast prime lenses with this announcment 100%

quite dissapointing for some .. but let see what coming..

 

[rrcphoto]

Here is some info on upcoming M5 from trusted (but not verified yet) source from Japan devision.

Canon EOS M5 - name 100%
NO 80D sensor, but similar 90%
NO DPAF! 100%
New AF improved. More AF points 100%
NO 4K 100%
NO 50/60 Full HD recording ??
NO weather sealing 100%

NO any fast prime lenses with this announcment 100%

quite dissapointing.. but let see what coming..

AF Hybrid IV then .. THAT would actually not surprise me. however if it's a 24MP sensor, with ADC and tweaked microlenses for mirrorless, that would be a huge step forward then the M3. it wouid also mean that canon was finally serious about the EOS-M .. before they just shoved a DSLR sensor in there.

not sure what's the disappointment..

 

[rrcphoto]

to me the rumored M5 drawing unfortunately looks legit. It looks distinctively "Canon". And it is basically as big and fat and ugly as n SL-1 rebel. I do fear, we will get basically a mirrorless SL-2 .. only with EF-M mount.

EF-M lens lineup is very good and not a problem at all. The problem are Canon EOS M camera bodies. Powershot firmware/UI ... give me a break! No model with built-in EVF ... give me a break. Sensors and AF system subpar ... give me a break! "industry leader" Canon. So stupid.

wait.. so your first paragraph you complain about EVF hump.. then you complain none have an EVF...

okay! got it! .. :

 

[AvTvM]

M5 with less than 80D sensor and capabilities [except OVF and separate Phase-AF unit] would be disappointing. Combined with large size, "mini-DSLR"-form factor as in the rumored drawing I would definitely not buy it.

Video stuff? Don't care for it, but less than 80D would be laughable in late 2016.

Weather sealing? Don't think so. Would be of limited use anyway, since no current EF-M lens has sealing. Personally I had no moisture problems with M (1st gen) and lenses. Once it fell into snow while backcountry ski touring, next thing I accidentally ran over it with my skis' steel edge :-[ and had to search for the camera in the snow ... but no water ingress at all. Probably I was just lucky, I guess.

 

[AvTvM]

to me the rumored M5 drawing unfortunately looks legit. It looks distinctively "Canon". And it is basically as big and fat and ugly as n SL-1 rebel. I do fear, we will get basically a mirrorless SL-2 .. only with EF-M mount.

EF-M lens lineup is very good and not a problem at all. The problem are Canon EOS M camera bodies. Powershot firmware/UI ... give me a break! No model with built-in EVF ... give me a break. Sensors and AF system subpar ... give me a break! "industry leader" Canon. So stupid.

wait.. so your first paragraph you complain about EVF hump.. then you complain none have an EVF...

okay! got it! .. :

You claim some contradiction? ;-)
Not at all.

I want is I would prefer a pop-up EVF top left corner. Just look at Sony RX100 3 and 4 or Sony RX-1R II. Of course in combinmation with Canon Touch-LCD ... since stupid Sony in their "we-know-the-market-perfectly-well attitude" has decided not to put *fully articulated touchscreens* onto their cameras.

This is how I want to carry my MILC ;D

This is how I want to use my MILC ;D

 

[warrior]

Here is some info on upcoming M5 from trusted (but not verified yet) source from Japan devision.

Canon EOS M5 - name 100%
NO 80D sensor, but similar 90%
NO DPAF! 100%
New AF improved. More AF points 100%
NO 4K 100%
NO 50/60 Full HD recording ??
NO weather sealing 100%

NO any fast prime lenses with this announcment 100%

quite dissapointing.. but let see what coming..

AF Hybrid IV then .. THAT would actually not surprise me. however if it's a 24MP sensor, with ADC and tweaked microlenses for mirrorless, that would be a huge step forward then the M3. it wouid also mean that canon was finally serious about the EOS-M .. before they just shoved a DSLR sensor in there.

not sure what's the disappointment..

Probably will be still avarege in AF speed in continious video shooting mode. Dont forget many use this cameras as a great video camera . eos m 1 orovided great video quality in small form factor but AF was terrible even wurh updated firmware. Eos m3 still slow unreliable AF. Many put big hopes that eos m5 will have eventially good AF for continious af tracking. At least in pair with lumix g7 g8 . if not.. That the biggest dissapintment.

 

[1kind]

Here is some info on upcoming M5 from trusted (but not verified yet) source from Japan devision.

Canon EOS M5 - name 100%
NO 80D sensor, but similar 90%
NO DPAF! 100%
New AF improved. More AF points 100%
NO 4K 100%
NO 50/60 Full HD recording 90%
NO weather sealing 100%

There will be a viewfinder 100%

NO any fast prime lenses with this announcment 100%

quite dissapointing for some .. but let see what coming..

Incorrect on DPAF

 

[rrcphoto]

Here is some info on upcoming M5 from trusted (but not verified yet) source from Japan devision.

Canon EOS M5 - name 100%
NO 80D sensor, but similar 90%
NO DPAF! 100%
New AF improved. More AF points 100%
NO 4K 100%
NO 50/60 Full HD recording 90%
NO weather sealing 100%

There will be a viewfinder 100%

NO any fast prime lenses with this announcment 100%

quite dissapointing for some .. but let see what coming..

Incorrect on DPAF

source?

 

[transpo1]

And if know-it-all-best Canon had not made the terrible mistake to price their first EOS M at a whopping 899 rather than 499 [a bit lower than cheapest rebel, as there is no viewfinder) , they would have gone to #1 in mirrorless sales in Europe and USA in the 2nd year after launch. Canon knows ... bruhahaha! Greedy basterds, got fires-sale burnt. lol.

What was the production and distribution cost for the EOS M? It seems unlikely that they sold it for a loss, so the fire sale pricing just meant less profit. Which means units sold at the launch price and the initial discount price had a whopping profit margin.

As usual in your debates, Canon has the last laugh...all the way to the bank. Bwaahaahaa!

I bought my EOS-M years ago for something like $369 USD, including the 22/2 lens and a flash. It was a great deal and I still love it as a small, carry around camera. Now, as you know, none of my posts are complete without a call for 4K video, so:

If they make an M5 or other M model with 4K video, I would gladly pay up to $1500 for one.

Yeah, I know it's not going to happen, but I'm still going to ask for it. And I think they could make a lot more money if they did that, too. I'm just saying, Canon, you could sell a boatload and make a lot more money.

 

[warrior]

Defenetly no 4K in eos m5.

The rumored price is between 799-899 USD for body only.

I nearly went for eos m3. but now i'm waiting myself what canon will offer with eos m5.
I hope this time they will not screw it as with eos m2/m3.

But according to most rumors - eos m5 will not be a revolutionary camera again, instead it will be just better then eos m3, better enaugh for most canon users to switch from m1/m2/m3 to m5, but sony, pana/oly users probbaly will not switch from 4k cameras to newly burn out of date full hd capabilities of eos m5. No 4K in nearly 2017 is a fail for any mirrorles camera.

No much hope..

 

[transpo1]

Defenetly no 4K in eos m5.

The rumored price is between 799-899 USD for body only.

I nearly went for eos m3. but now i'm waiting myself what canon will offer with eos m5.
I hope this time they will not screw it as with eos m2/m3.

But according to most rumors - eos m5 will not be a revolutionary camera again, instead it will be just better then eos m3, better enaugh for most canon users to switch from m1/m2/m3 to m5, but sony, pana/oly users probbaly will not switch from 4k cameras to newly burn out of date full hd capabilities of eos m5. No 4K in nearly 2017 is a fail for any mirrorles camera.

No much hope..

Agreed- not much hope. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Or so they keep saying. If it had 4K, Canon could sell it for $1999 and still sell a boatload.

Also, as people on here are fond of saying, because Canon makes cameras for specific users, those users will still buy a 5DIV for that camera's capabilities and the M5 (or whatever new mirrorless) would not cannibalize it.

 

[josephandrews222]

I cannot understand why people are so upset about the Ms and canon does not make a mirrorless with all the features that every body has asked for. My personal opinion is all the Ms are aiming at the followings and has been fulfill then with excellence: 1. small (borderline on pocketable with the 22 mm lens) 2. Reasonable priced, about $400. 3. Got enough "smaller" lens to cover from 11mm to 250mm at a reasonable price. any focal length longer than 250mm or shorter than 11mm belongs to the "Elite" group. Some people complain about there is no fast prime or fast zoom. These will defeat the concept of small and reasonable price. I do agree that the AF should be faster. For me it is good enough because I do not shoot sports, children or birds. I like the Ms so much that the M and the M2 replaced my 40D and 20D as my travel cameras and doing the job very well. I do not even miss my 40D or 20D. I did not get the M3 due to the larger size and the Powershot interface. I am looking forward to see the M5.

Good post.

 

[JamesD]

I am going to hold off on the M5. I don't feel like Canon put enough into it to justify the $900.00 price. An A6300 and a A7 are better from the specs I have seen. I do understand if you are invested in the M Lenses though.