Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed for 2017 [CR3]

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

2) Why the hell are they making another SL1? See plot below -- SL1 didn't exactly set the world on fire. Surely the tandem of M5/M6 could address the need for folks to keep things small without throwing away functionality. An SL2 seems like throwing more money at a bad idea, IMHO.

At the risk of picking at another thread's scab, unless you believe that Canon would sell the SL1 at a loss for >2 years, what does it say about the profit margin for an entry-level camera that Canon can drop the price ~38% from launch and still turn a profit?

not quite that simple. the SL1 isn't manufacturered in USD.

the Yen in the start of 2013 was coming off historical highs.

the cost of manufacturing is only one part of the puzzle. distribution, reseller / channel margin, canon USA margin, cost of support / warranty insurance,etc,etc are all factored into the base cost. some of it, such as warranty,etc can decrease over time because there's more certainty. the yen dropped over their extreme highs in 2012 and was still very high in 2013.

MOST of canon's cameras during this period of time have dropped a far amount of value, even the 5D Mark III dropped around 30%.

it's hardly any sort of precursor or meaning when the export value would have dramatically changed over it's lifecyle.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

2) Why the hell are they making another SL1? See plot below -- SL1 didn't exactly set the world on fire. Surely the tandem of M5/M6 could address the need for folks to keep things small without throwing away functionality. An SL2 seems like throwing more money at a bad idea, IMHO.

At the risk of picking at another thread's scab, unless you believe that Canon would sell the SL1 at a loss for >2 years, what does it say about the profit margin for an entry-level camera that Canon can drop the price ~38% from launch and still turn a profit?

I think Canon tacked a premium onto small and cut that premium when it wasn't selling well, but in fairness, RRC is dead on that I lack foreign exchange considerations.

But as a thought exercise, let's compare the SL1 to the same-timeframe-released T5i. The T5i retained its price over the same time period better, even after the T5i was replaced with the two T6i/s models and the SL1 was not replaced.

Again, I'm not saying there's not a market for the SL1. I'm saying other products are protecting their price better, which one might imply corresponds to more robust sales. It's merely speculation, I admit.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

We had been told previously that a new EF-S prime lens would be coming, and it would make sense if these two products came around the same time.

Right, so if this is the current rumor -- it would make sense that the new EF-S prime is tiny to make the most of the SL2's (presumably) very small body.

New wider angle pancake? Possibly some magic compact telescoping longer lens? Surely not AvTvM's mythical EF-S 85mm f/2.4 STM IS pancake...

The mind wanders.

- A

 

[slclick]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

We had been told previously that a new EF-S prime lens would be coming, and it would make sense if these two products came around the same time.

Right, so if this is the current rumor -- it would make sense that the new EF-S prime is tiny to make the most of the SL2's (presumably) very small body.

New wider angle pancake? Possibly some magic compact telescoping longer lens? Surely not AvTvM's mythical EF-S 85mm f/2.4 STM IS pancake...

The mind wanders.

- A

Samsung has a decent 16 pancake, Sony a good 20. I don't see why they can't do something a little wider than the very nice already ef-s 24.

Perhaps an 18 2.0(?) which is 28 FF equivalent and a very nice wide FL for street, travel and tight indoor.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

Quite surprised. Shaping up to be a very good year for Canon -- 77D is good value for the money (a boo for the missing afma), M6 looks like a nifty mirrorless, and now an SL2. The 6DmkII around the corner. Good stuff.

+1. We expected Rebels this year to accompany the end of the FF rollout of 1DX/5D4/6D2. But the strides with EOS M5/M6 and now an SL2 is shaping up to be lot of new body options in fairly quick succession. Go Canon.

...and I'll take that EF 50mm f/1.4 USM II whenever you're ready.

- A

 

[9VIII]

WHAT!?!?!?!??!
WHAT?!?!?!?!!?

I MUST BE DREAMING!

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

But as a thought exercise, let's compare the SL1 to the same-timeframe-released T5i. The T5i retained its price over the same time period better, even after the T5i was replaced with the two T6i/s models and the SL1 was not replaced.

Again, I'm not saying there's not a market for the SL1. I'm saying other products are protecting their price better, which one might imply corresponds to more robust sales. It's merely speculation, I admit.

What was the price over time in Japan (Kiss X7)? The SL1 is a small camera, those typically do better in Asian markets. Consider the original M, which tanked in the USA and fell from $800 to $250, but was the #2 best-selling MILC in Japan.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

But as a thought exercise, let's compare the SL1 to the same-timeframe-released T5i. The T5i retained its price over the same time period better, even after the T5i was replaced with the two T6i/s models and the SL1 was not replaced.

Again, I'm not saying there's not a market for the SL1. I'm saying other products are protecting their price better, which one might imply corresponds to more robust sales. It's merely speculation, I admit.

What was the price over time in Japan (Kiss X7)? The SL1 is a small camera, those typically do better in Asian markets. Consider the original M, which tanked in the USA and fell from $800 to $250, but was the #2 best-selling MILC in Japan.

Again, that's entirely fair -- I only have US prices from CPW to go on. The SL1 may be a top seller in Japan, EU, etc. for all we know.

Forgive me everyone, I'm raining on everyone's parade with my comments. I know a number of folks really wanted an SL2 and it looks like it's happening, so way to be -- I'm honestly geeked for you.

Please don't mistake me as a grinch or naysayer here, I'm just honestly surprised that it's happening.

- A

 

[AJ]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

2) Why the hell are they making another SL1?

It's the gateway drug

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

2) Why the hell are they making another SL1?

It's the gateway drug

I thought the gateway drug was one of the less expensive L zooms, like the 17-40L. ;D

- A

 

[AJ]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

2) Why the hell are they making another SL1?

It's the gateway drug

I thought the gateway drug was one of the less expensive L zooms, like the 17-40L. ;D

- A

Yep, that's another one. Also 70-200/4 non-IS

 

[slclick]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

2) Why the hell are they making another SL1?

It's the gateway drug

I thought the gateway drug was one of the less expensive L zooms, like the 17-40L. ;D

- A

That would be the 70-200 f/4L

Seriously.

 

[MintChocs]

It must be Xmas! Finally a positive for 2017, whilst it won't be interesting for others I still have my Xsi that needs updating. I just hope it's not going to cost a small fortune.

 

[quiquae]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

But as a thought exercise, let's compare the SL1 to the same-timeframe-released T5i. The T5i retained its price over the same time period better, even after the T5i was replaced with the two T6i/s models and the SL1 was not replaced.

Again, I'm not saying there's not a market for the SL1. I'm saying other products are protecting their price better, which one might imply corresponds to more robust sales. It's merely speculation, I admit.

What was the price over time in Japan (Kiss X7)? The SL1 is a small camera, those typically do better in Asian markets. Consider the original M, which tanked in the USA and fell from $800 to $250, but was the #2 best-selling MILC in Japan.

Again, that's entirely fair -- I only have US prices from CPW to go on. The SL1 may be a top seller in Japan, EU, etc. for all we know.

Forgive me everyone, I'm raining on everyone's parade with my comments. I know a number of folks really wanted an SL2 and it looks like it's happening, so way to be -- I'm honestly geeked for you.

Please don't mistake me as a grinch or naysayer here, I'm just honestly surprised that it's happening.

- A

EOS Kiss X7 has been--and still is--consistently among the best selling ILCs in the Japanese market.
In fact, BCN ranking shows the X7 double zoom kit at #1 among all ILCs last week, and GfK ranking at #3.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

EOS Kiss X7 has been--and still is--consistently among the best selling ILCs in the Japanese market.
In fact, BCN ranking shows the X7 double zoom kit at #1 among all ILCs last week, and GfK ranking at #3.

Had. no. idea.

Wow! Thanks for the data.

- A

 

[benkam]

The new reduced size 18-55 f4-5.6 kit lens would be an ideal package for the SL2 (200D?).
The 24 STM (this really also ought to be a kit option for the SL-series) and 50 STM would also still be a perfect primes combo for size, price and function.

I'm a 100D/SL1 user who thinks the only slightly bigger and slightly more expensive 700D/T5i would've been a better buy for the articulating screen and more buttons for control, but otherwise generally satisfied with its performance as a small DSLR.

It would be interesting to find out if the SL2 keeps to its price range and gets 750D/T6i internals (as the SL1 currently has 700D/T5i) or if it moves up to the 800D/T7i price range with DPAF and 45pt AF. I'm guessing the former but we'll see.

 

[Woody]

Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL2 Confirmed in 2017 [CR3]

In fact, BCN ranking shows the X7 double zoom kit at #1 among all ILCs last week, and GfK ranking at #3.

Can you provide a link for GfK camera ranking? I can only find the BCNRanking site https://www.bcnretail.com/research/ranking/.

 

[Poz]

This is a welcome surprise - I want an improved sensor in a small package, and I had almost given up on an SL2! Go Canon! 8)

 

[Daan Stam]

I really hoped the 90d would come this year with them putting the 77d so close to the 80d.

 

[Woody]

It would be interesting to find out if the SL2 keeps to its price range and gets 750D/T6i internals (as the SL1 currently has 700D/T5i) or if it moves up to the 800D/T7i price range with DPAF and 45pt AF. I'm guessing the former but we'll see.

If the SL2 does not get 77D/80D sensor with DPAF, it's a no-go for me. Don't need 45 AF pts.

Note the SL1 was announced on 21-Mar, together with the 700D/T5i. The 750D/T6i was only released in 2015, 2 years later. So, there is a good chance the SL2 will share the same internals as the 800D.