UPDATED: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

[lastcoyote]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Count me in as another 5D III owner who's interested in adding this 80D to my kit.
Will mainly dedicate it to macro work with my MP-E 65 lens.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

It should have AF microadjustment right?

well the 70D has it, unless canon has a weird new business startegy of downgrading their cameras lol, yes

50D - has AFMA
60D - does not have AFMA
70D - has AFMA

So, while I think the 80D will have it, there is some room for doubt since this feature in the xxD line is a perfect example of that 'weird business strategy' that you're lol'ing about...

6D is the only "oddball" in Canon's lineup that is an even number and still has AFMA, based on the pattern "even no AFMA" then the 80D will not have it

I shall note that 50 and 70 are both even numbers.

#mathishardletsgomakecookiesfortheboys

That's ok..... I am wondering when Canon will come out with a decent long focal length prime lens, like a 593 mm or a 443mm lens......

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

It should have AF microadjustment right?

well the 70D has it, unless canon has a weird new business startegy of downgrading their cameras lol, yes

50D - has AFMA
60D - does not have AFMA
70D - has AFMA

So, while I think the 80D will have it, there is some room for doubt since this feature in the xxD line is a perfect example of that 'weird business strategy' that you're lol'ing about...

6D is the only "oddball" in Canon's lineup that is an even number and still has AFMA, based on the pattern "even no AFMA" then the 80D will not have it

I shall note that 50 and 70 are both even numbers.

#mathishardletsgomakecookiesfortheboys

That's ok..... I am wondering when Canon will come out with a decent long focal length prime lens, like a 593 mm or a 443mm lens......

I think the 600/4 is actually 593mm, but Canon rounded up because they like primes but not prime primes.

 

[Marauder]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

huh?

80D - 100% viewfinder
45 point AF all cross type 27 points f/8.
deeper raw buffer
20mp versus 24mp
possibly ADC based sensor.
timelaps / intervalometer
anti-flicker

Ok but most of those things on that list are thing you don't need for stills. Why does he need 45 crosstype AF points and a deep raw buffer for stills? Why does he need anti-flicker for stills?

And the T6S is 24MP just like the 80D, so that's not a good argument either.

The viewfinder is a good argument, so it depends on how he feels about that.


read the post, he shoots stills....he doesn't need off-the-wall AF tracking

I keep re-reading your post , looking for a <sarcasm> tag...

Please tell me you're not serious when you say cross-type AF points, buffer depth and anti-flicker aren't features for stills shooting!

Unless when you say "stills" you mean the subject is still (i.e. "still life", not moving). In case it's a language barrier thing, most people consider "stills" to mean single images captured with each release of the shutter (as opposed to video). Stills in this sense can be images of fast-moving subjects (e.g. flying birds where AF-tracking, FPS and buffer depth are critical) or completely static subjects (e.g. landscape).

Yeah, +1. :

 

[VirtualRain]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

 

[Tugela]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

I'm especially looking forward to the remote hooting. This is a top feature. ;D

-pw

People will pay lots of money for a feature like that! Especially birders!

 

[brianb]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

So does this mean we aren't going to see a 5D4 announcement till possibly later in the year now?

 

[Tugela]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

Consider this graphic:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Infographics-2015-1920_1080-700x394.jpg

In particular, the part showing the MILC bubble increasing on a yearly basis against the DSLR bubble. That is where the future is going. The really high end DSLRs are probably keeping their market share, but the low end ones are not. Those consumers are slowly seeping off into the MILC market.

 

[hubie]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

People that exchange their rebels for smartphones either don't know anything about photography or they just don't take it seriously. Ok, or they just don't need the features, that DSLRs (or any other cameras with bigger sensors and/or exchangeable lenses) bring with them.

You can only superficially control your portable's camera settings. ISO 800 on my S4 is the maximum, fixed focus only accessible via a 3rd party app that either costs something or crashes my phone frequently. Depth of Field is only changeable in restricted measures, AF is a pain in the ass, even during daytime inside rooms that have no direct sunlight sometimes... you see what I mean. A fuckin selfie is no photography, or you "call it your focus in photography"...

When it comes to the 6D...
AF system is much better on the 70D already than on the 6D... if you need more reach, the 80D will be the way to go. If you need the fps, you either take the 7D mkII or the 80D... articulating screen for macros or photos from positions you can't look through your OVF? ByeBye 7D/6D... I could name more.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Consider this graphic:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Infographics-2015-1920_1080-700x394.jpg

In particular, the part showing the MILC bubble increasing on a yearly basis against the DSLR bubble. That is where the future is going. The really high end DSLRs are probably keeping their market share, but the low end ones are not. Those consumers are slowly seeping off into the MILC market.

except it doesn't take into account Sony going from 11% DSLR markethshare in 2013 to like .. almost 0% marketshare.

 

[Diltiazem]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

This camera has more slectable f8 AF points than 1D X? 8)

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

Consider this graphic:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Infographics-2015-1920_1080-700x394.jpg

In particular, the part showing the MILC bubble increasing on a yearly basis against the DSLR bubble. That is where the future is going. The really high end DSLRs are probably keeping their market share, but the low end ones are not. Those consumers are slowly seeping off into the MILC market.

The graphic shows me several things, none of which are that people who would have bought slr's are not buying them to get mirrorless cameras in any serious numbers. The slr market has contracted severely, but those lost sales are not moving to mirrorless, that mirrorless market moved up a mere 200,000 units in two years! That is not a growth curve to be happy about.

Digital cameras are a mature technology, pretty much any camera sold in the last 5 years is good enough for most people so they don't need to buy another newer one, plus all phones have cameras and whilst we might be snobbish about their IQ the truth is, again for most people most of the time, they are plenty good enough and always with them.

The graphic does not illustrate that dslr buyers are bleeding to mirrorless, it shows there is a small market for mirrorless, a three times larger market for dslr's, and the camera market in general is contracting to a more historic level after a decade of substantial advances in technology.

 

[xps]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Detailed additional specs:

Also from Digicame-info.

EOS 80D specs - new 24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor.
Adopt a new miniaturization process
dual pixel CMOS AF
image processing engine DIGIC6
regular sensitivity ISO100-16000 (extension 25600)
7560-pixel RGB + IR metering sensor
AF 45 points (all points cross type).
AF distance measuring point of maximum 27 points F8 correspondence.
-3EV Correspondence
the new "L zone AF" four AF area selection modes including
continuous shooting 7 frames / sec.
3 frames / second at the silent continuous shooting mode
77 sheets The number of pictures in the JPEG (I assume sheets was a bad translation for images)
20 sheets in the RAW
live continuous shooting in the view mode 5 frames / sec. (AF tracking)
A new mirror vibration control system to keep the mirror shock (MVCS)
finder is 100% field of view, magnification 0.95 times
shutter 30 seconds - 1/8000 seconds.
Synchro 1/250 sec
three inches 1.04 million dot Vari-angle LCD monitor
built-in flash (guide number 12)
electronic level
new Picture Style "fine detail"
10 kinds of scene mode
anti-flicker
video is full HD 60fps - AF tracking
HDR movie
time-lapse movie
five types of movies Creative Filters
Wi-Fi
NFC
Remote shooting
media SD / SDHC / SDXC (UHS-I compatible)
shutter durability of 100,000 times
USB terminal
HDMI terminal
microphone jack
headphone jack
remote control terminal
improved dust and water
battery LP-E6N / LP-E6
start-up time is 0.16 seconds
can be remotely captured using the power zoom function in combination with the EF-S18-135mm F3.5-5.6 iS USM and the power zoom adapter PZ-E1
size 139.0 x 105.2 x 78.5 mm
weight 730g (650g body only)

Seems a great upgrade for some... definitely goes in the direction of a very usable videographer DSLR with access to the great world of Canon lenses.

well that sounds potentially a lot better
If by "adopts a new minaturiztion" process they mean they are giving the sensor on chip ADC and so on.
And if they mean they are really giving it tons of f/8 points like the 1DX2.
And it seems it does do 7fps after all.
The only lameness would then be the way they hold back video and make it so crummy compared to literally everyone else these days.

27 AF points with F8 capability??? Do I understand this right? Damned, that would have been an very wellcome feature on my 7DIi, I bought some time ago. Just thinkk of using it on my 10-400 ii + 1.4x converter... or my 600mm with the 2x iii. :'( :'(

 

[cellomaster27]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

I think this is the first announcement that hasn't been that exciting for me. It's a standard upgrade to the 70D after a couple years. Nothing major and unexpected. Depending on the price point, the 6D is a much better camera (all about that sensor performance) for the money. I'm guessing this camera will come out around $1100-1200? I'm only interested in ISO and noise performance tech from canon. All this WIFI, touch screen, fps, MP, etc... it's only a marketing factor. Technology is improving but canon hasn't exactly shown up with the most important aspect IMO: sensor tech. have my fingers crossed~

 

[JBSF]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

YHTBK. Times have indeed changed, and in the past six to eight years I have seen more people migrate to DSLR than before. I am a birder and spend time in the field with lots of other birders. Many of them use DSLRs, even if just for record shots. Of nearly thirty I know personally who use DSLRs, all but one use Canon; one uses Nikon. Virtually all of those people (myself included) use APS-C bodies. Of the ones I know who use Canon DSLRs, at least four have been considering an upgrade. One plans to upgrade from 50D, two from 60D, and one from 70D.

I know only one birder using M43. I do not know one who uses any other mirrorless system camera. I know several additional birders who use bridge cameras (a broad mix of Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Sony, and Leica). Two who use 60D also use a cellphone for digiscoping. Not one person uses a phone or tablet handheld for photos.

I use 7D2, so I am not interested in the 80D. But if I were starting all over today, I would be very interested in the 80D. It looks like a supremely capable consumer body--clearly among the best choices anybody could make for the sorts of uses I have, given Canon's lens lineup. And don't kid yourself. Canon will sell huge numbers of the 80D.

 

[Nininini]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

huh?

80D - 100% viewfinder
45 point AF all cross type 27 points f/8.
deeper raw buffer
20mp versus 24mp
possibly ADC based sensor.
timelaps / intervalometer
anti-flicker

Ok but most of those things on that list are thing you don't need for stills. Why does he need 45 crosstype AF points and a deep raw buffer for stills? Why does he need anti-flicker for stills?

And the T6S is 24MP just like the 80D, so that's not a good argument either.

The viewfinder is a good argument, so it depends on how he feels about that.


read the post, he shoots stills....he doesn't need off-the-wall AF tracking

I keep re-reading your post , looking for a <sarcasm> tag...

Please tell me you're not serious when you say cross-type AF points, buffer depth and anti-flicker aren't features for stills shooting!

Unless when you say "stills" you mean the subject is still (i.e. "still life", not moving). In case it's a language barrier thing, most people consider "stills" to mean single images captured with each release of the shutter (as opposed to video). Stills in this sense can be images of fast-moving subjects (e.g. flying birds where AF-tracking, FPS and buffer depth are critical) or completely static subjects (e.g. landscape).

Yes, it is my fault, I interpret stills with still pictures, like still life and landscape.

It is literally translated like that here. For example, I did not know that stills could include sports photography. Therefore I had no idea why people kept saying he needed AF tracking, high burst and image flicker compensation for still life.

Apparently stills means "pictures" for most, differentiating it from video.

My bad, I had no idea to be honest.

Also, I just realized why I kept bumping heads with someone on another site, now I want to go back in time and apologize to that person.

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

Consider this graphic:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Infographics-2015-1920_1080-700x394.jpg

In particular, the part showing the MILC bubble increasing on a yearly basis against the DSLR bubble. That is where the future is going. The really high end DSLRs are probably keeping their market share, but the low end ones are not. Those consumers are slowly seeping off into the MILC market.

The graphic shows me several things, none of which are that people who would have bought slr's are not buying them to get mirrorless cameras in any serious numbers. The slr market has contracted severely, but those lost sales are not moving to mirrorless, that mirrorless market moved up a mere 200,000 units in two years! That is not a growth curve to be happy about.

Digital cameras are a mature technology, pretty much any camera sold in the last 5 years is good enough for most people so they don't need to buy another newer one, plus all phones have cameras and whilst we might be snobbish about their IQ the truth is, again for most people most of the time, they are plenty good enough and always with them.

The graphic does not illustrate that dslr buyers are bleeding to mirrorless, it shows there is a small market for mirrorless, a three times larger market for dslr's, and the camera market in general is contracting to a more historic level after a decade of substantial advances in technology.

it also doesn't show the Sony "net effect" of stopping shipping SLR's and shipping basically only mirrorless.

if you take into account that shift, it's pretty easy to see that neither is growing or remaining static.

 

[VirtualRain]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

People that exchange their rebels for smartphones either don't know anything about photography or they just don't take it seriously. Ok, or they just don't need the features, that DSLRs (or any other cameras with bigger sensors and/or exchangeable lenses) bring with them.

You can only superficially control your portable's camera settings. ISO 800 on my S4 is the maximum, fixed focus only accessible via a 3rd party app that either costs something or crashes my phone frequently. Depth of Field is only changeable in restricted measures, AF is a pain in the ass, even during daytime inside rooms that have no direct sunlight sometimes... you see what I mean. A fuckin selfie is no photography, or you "call it your focus in photography"...

When it comes to the 6D...
AF system is much better on the 70D already than on the 6D... if you need more reach, the 80D will be the way to go. If you need the fps, you either take the 7D mkII or the 80D... articulating screen for macros or photos from positions you can't look through your OVF? ByeBye 7D/6D... I could name more.

For many people, a decent photo I can share right now is far better than a great photo I can share when I get home from my trip.

I think anyone moving to an entry-level DSLR is either looking for better image quality shooting creatively where the 6D excels or wildlife/birds/sports where the 7D excels. Sure, there are some exceptions where the mix of features, IQ, and price the 80D offers is appealing, but it's a niche within a niche. My only point remains that even if one can clearly articulate the market for this camera, it's tiny compared to many others.

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Sniff... tears of joy. Never thought I would see the day, but the day has finally come and birders can rejoice! Also... Gomer is vindicated! Hootie-hoot! Hootie-hoot! Gonna make those owls a lot easier to photograph if these specs are true!

 

[hubie]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

The main target buyer for the 80D is the same as that for the previous xxD models – xxxD owners looking to upgrade. In case it's escaped your attention, there are more xxxD owners out there than all MILCs combined, so it's a pretty large target demographic. Secondarily, it's targeted to owners of older xxD models 40/50/60D).

I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed. I don't think there's as many xxxD owners as there use to be, a lot have gone mirrorless or abandoned cameras all together for smart phones.

For example, I saw more people outside Notre-dame in Paris shooting with iPads than I did with Rebels. Go to any tourist photo spot and you'll see way more selfie sticks in use than DSLRs. I was recently up on Victoria Peak above Hong Kong with my 5D3 on a tripod taking long exposures of the cityscape at dusk, and numerous young people asked if they could take a photo of the display on my 5D3 with their phone or tablet. That's photography by the masses today... it's a world where there's little to no interest in products like Rebels or the 80D.

And even those still using Rebels, who want more camera, I really can't see the 80D being that satisfying. The 6D is far more alluring for only a little bit more money. And while there are a ton of Sony haters here it seems, Sony is scooping up a lot of the discrete camera business for good reasons: outstanding image and video quality in a very compact package.

The 80D is clearly a welcome addition around here as a backup body (which makes sense given the demographics of this forum), but I can't imagine it has much appeal beyond that.

People that exchange their rebels for smartphones either don't know anything about photography or they just don't take it seriously. Ok, or they just don't need the features, that DSLRs (or any other cameras with bigger sensors and/or exchangeable lenses) bring with them.

You can only superficially control your portable's camera settings. ISO 800 on my S4 is the maximum, fixed focus only accessible via a 3rd party app that either costs something or crashes my phone frequently. Depth of Field is only changeable in restricted measures, AF is a pain in the ass, even during daytime inside rooms that have no direct sunlight sometimes... you see what I mean. A fuckin selfie is no photography, or you "call it your focus in photography"...

When it comes to the 6D...
AF system is much better on the 70D already than on the 6D... if you need more reach, the 80D will be the way to go. If you need the fps, you either take the 7D mkII or the 80D... articulating screen for macros or photos from positions you can't look through your OVF? ByeBye 7D/6D... I could name more.

For many people, a decent photo I can share right now is far better than a great photo I can share when I get home from my trip.

I think anyone moving to an entry-level DSLR is either looking for better image quality shooting creatively where the 6D excels or wildlife/birds/sports where the 7D excels. Sure, there are some exceptions where the mix of features, IQ, and price the 80D offers is appealing, but it's a niche within a niche. My only point remains that even if one can clearly articulate the market for this camera, it's tiny compared to many others.

One might agree on the fact, that the DSLR market is alot smaller than the phone photography market (in numbers at least). Else, you could possibly share your photos via NFC and mobile internet via your phone then? Well, when I think of photography, I don't think about the narcism of people that want to share their food or location they're at on the fly on instragram AND facebook AND google+ at the same time just eagerly waiting for feedback and comments/likes. That's not a hobby, that's a more a psychological condition (or going through puberty ^^).