The Canon EOS M5 Mark II and Canon EOS M6 Mark II are on the way [CR1]

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EOS 7D MK II
Aug 1, 2017
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I can't imagine why anyone would prefer an M over one of FujiFIlm's little "pocket rockets" but they do. Just another one of life's mysteries I suppose.
 
Dec 10, 2016
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I enjoy using my M5 it makes an excellent backup camera for me as it takes up very little room in my camera bag. I still shoot video for web use with it and paired with the EF-M 22mm f2 it makes a viable lightweight option.

I recently went on holiday to Norway and rattled off several hundred shots with my M5 and I’d forgotten how much I loved using it. I would be interested in the MKII; however, I think I will wait for the price to settle first. I was so keen to get an M5 when it was first announced I pre ordered it only to see it soon drop in price considerably once pre orders were fulfilled.
 

jayphotoworks

EOS 80D
Aug 11, 2016
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In my experience which I admit is not particularly broad, with the editing programs I have used, FCPX, LumaFusion, iMovie, it really doesn't matter. It seems you can put practically anything in and get practically anything out and I don't see impacts in quality and I have yet to see a demonstration that does.

I'd happily have somebody point me to an authoritative and peer supported example where IQ is impacted to a noticeable degree by doing so. I'd also like to see the same for anything that demonstrated a visible difference between a 23.976, 25 or a 24 timeline.
I have to chime in here. For starters, I have no idea why Canon would remove 24p in 1080. You have to actually change the video system back and forth in the menus to toggle between NTSC/PAL. If you are in PAL, you only get 25p in 4K as well. You have to switch it back to NTSC for 24p... It's a major inconvenience.

But aside from that, I mainly shoot in North America w/ 60HZ lighting. I'm more or less free to use any shutter angle while working in 24P. When forced to shoot in 25P, I now have to be selective with my shutter angles, or I will run into a ton of trouble with moving bands in my shot, especially with fluorescent lighting. Likewise in Euro/Asia, a person can shoot 25P with pretty much any shutter angle since the lighting there is 50HZ, but when shooting 24p, there are the same restrictions in shutter angles to avoid flicker. So while most people won't notice a significant difference dropping a 25p shot in a 24p timeline since Adobe will automatically conform them for you, if they are shooting in North America, they WILL notice the moving vertical bands in the shot and will spend hours working with plugins trying to rectify the issue all because they had to shoot in 25P.


Here is a calculator offering safe shutter angles depending on the region.
 
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canonical

EOS 80D
Jul 3, 2019
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i don't believe they'll update both 2 cameras M5 and M6 to mark II. if they go pop-up EVF (plus hotshoe!), one well-specced, yet still very compact M5 II with slightly bigger grip for LP-E6N power pack and without bulky ugly central hump will kill both birds with 1 stone. no need for a m6 II. "no evf camera" will only survive at entry level: M100 II or whatever its going to be called.
 
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privatebydesign

Would you take advice from a cartoons stuffed toy?
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I have to chime in here. For starters, I have no idea why Canon would remove 24p in 1080. You have to actually change the video system back and forth in the menus to toggle between NTSC/PAL. If you are in PAL, you only get 25p in 4K as well. You have to switch it back to NTSC for 24p... It's a major inconvenience.

But aside from that, I mainly shoot in North America w/ 60HZ lighting. I'm more or less free to use any shutter angle while working in 24P. When forced to shoot in 25P, I now have to be selective with my shutter angles, or I will run into a ton of trouble with moving bands in my shot, especially with fluorescent lighting. Likewise in Euro/Asia, a person can shoot 25P with pretty much any shutter angle since the lighting there is 50HZ, but when shooting 24p, there are the same restrictions in shutter angles to avoid flicker. So while most people won't notice a significant difference dropping a 25p shot in a 24p timeline since Adobe will automatically conform them for you, if they are shooting in North America, they WILL notice the moving vertical bands in the shot and will spend hours working with plugins trying to rectify the issue all because they had to shoot in 25P.


Here is a calculator offering safe shutter angles depending on the region.
I am not being a Canon apologist, not for one second. I am trying to be a realist and point out the desperate hand wringing over 'the issue' is largely overblown and grossly exaggerated.

Of course it should be included, but it isn't and for most people most of the time it genuinely makes no difference.
 
Dec 10, 2016
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It will be interesting to see how much Canon price the new Canon EOS M5 MKII at. I paid a whooping £1049 for my MKI only to see it selling in the UK now for just £599.

Given the EOS M50 is also just £489 or even £429 with current Canon cash back offer and the new full frame RP is £1399 I can’t see Canon pitching the new M5 MKII any more than £750 unless it has some very special new features or a big bump in spec.
 

jeffa4444

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 28, 2013
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I don't see that as likely. Given the size weight and quality of the RF lenses to date I think Canon's intent is to make the R line a high quality higher cost ff system, I'd expect them to leave APS-C to the M and the generally low cost slower zooms much better suited to a more general audience and market.

The lines between the EF and EF-s market became very grey, at this point the differences between the EF-M and RF are very apparent to even the most basic of consumers. Why muddy the waters with an RF-S series of bodies and lenses when I'd think, in this shrinking camera market, R&D is best focused on the actual RF line and possibly a couple more complimentary EF-M lenses to keep people like me happy with our $1,000 bodies.
I kinda agree that the EF-S has become redundant. The RP entry price is quite low and all the RF lenses so far are superior to their EF counter-parts. Better that Canon concentrates on the M lenses and upscales the high end cameras to give a successor to the 7D MKII. Still if the rumours are true about an upcoming 90D were soon find out whether it prolongs the EF-S or jumps to RF. With the EOS R and RP both able to have an APS-C crop mode and the continued introductions into the M line up I think Canon R&D bucks will need to compromise somewhere.
 

Ricardo_fon

I'm New Here
Mar 19, 2019
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I love my M5. If they release a mkii I won't upgrade, but I'll feel better about buying more lenses. I'd really like that 32, but don't wanna be bitten by them cancelling the system like Nikon did with their 1 system. Still sore about that.
 
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privatebydesign

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I kinda agree that the EF-S has become redundant. The RP entry price is quite low and all the RF lenses so far are superior to their EF counter-parts. Better that Canon concentrates on the M lenses and upscales the high end cameras to give a successor to the 7D MKII. Still if the rumours are true about an upcoming 90D were soon find out whether it prolongs the EF-S or jumps to RF. With the EOS R and RP both able to have an APS-C crop mode and the continued introductions into the M line up I think Canon R&D bucks will need to compromise somewhere.
As a pure thought experiment where is Canon most likely to go with their stills camera lineups?

1: EF-s is a dead end, it will get the 90D and maybe a Rebel T8. You can still buy T5's new so even when they stop manufacture they will have several years of stock.
2: EF is at the end of it's high R&D costs. The 1DX MkIII is basically done in terms of R&D and the 5D MkV will be close too. After that I just don't see any more EF DSLR's, who'd buy a 6D III when they can have an RP or discounted R?
3: EF-M is a high volume but irregular regional money maker, but the specific market, in general, are not exotic lens buyers so little extra lens development is needed to keep the customer base happy. Niche lenses like the 32mm f1.4 and the 28mm f3.5 Macro keep many extras happy too.
4: RF is taking up nearly all the ILC R&D budget with a range of cameras and lenses laid out in a roadmap we would all love to be privy too. RF is the future for Canon.
 

Act444

EOS 6D MK II
May 4, 2011
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I'm currently selling my M6. The one thing that drives me insane is the slow CPU. Switching between some functions, especially between image review and back is painfully slow. As is AF still. I've lost too many images waiting for the camera and it's not like I am a sports or action photographer. I'm over it. Somehow I don't have faith that the Mark II will fix things. I would be happy to be surprised though as I am keeping my lenses for now, just in case.
I actually like my M6. It performs decently in the situations that I use it for, mainly as the "alternate" camera. It + the 18-150 squeezes into a mini-bag, making it incredibly handy at times. I will somewhat agree about the delay in image review, but I suppose I'm used to it by now, especially after having used the original M and the M10. The M6 is a beast compared to those two cameras...

If speed and responsiveness are critical, I'll use the 5D instead.
 
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Slim maybe.
Well Canon are still investing in the M Series. It’s a series that seemed a dead end to me but must be doing well enough for Canon to give it more support with new cameras.
It’s small and compact and well loved by users.
It’s still frustrating. If these two bodies are released, it furthers a disparity in the M series - they have released 9 M series bodies, but only 7 EF-M lenses. I’d love to see that “support” include additional lenses to fill in some gaps in the system.
 
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TonyPM

I'm New Here
Jul 24, 2019
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Would be nice to se an EosM camera with the shape and size of the RP. And would be awesome if it had ibis and weather sealing too. With that new 32mp sensor.

I would go head first for it.

One question though: Would my trusty Tamron 17-50 2.8 work on it with the ef to Ef-M adapter?
 

Mr Majestyk

EOS RP
Feb 20, 2016
204
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Yes! This. And I'm quite sure that Sigma would not be taking this step without very good info/assurances (maybe insider, or some tacit private agreement) that Canon would continue to develop and release M-series bodies.
That's exactly how I see it. Now it may not have been much work given the EF-M is what 18mm flange distance anyway, to adapt the FE versions, but still I doubt they waste their time if they sawEF-M as an evolutionary dead end. Still curious how Canon will move forward with APS-C EOS R though.
 
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Mr Majestyk

EOS RP
Feb 20, 2016
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Would be nice to se an EosM camera with the shape and size of the RP. And would be awesome if it had ibis and weather sealing too. With that new 32mp sensor.

I would go head first for it.

One question though: Would my trusty Tamron 17-50 2.8 work on it with the ef to Ef-M adapter?
Surely that would just be the APS-C version of EOS RP, with RF mount not M mount.
 

BillB

EOS 6D MK II
May 11, 2017
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As a pure thought experiment where is Canon most likely to go with their stills camera lineups?

1: EF-s is a dead end, it will get the 90D and maybe a Rebel T8. You can still buy T5's new so even when they stop manufacture they will have several years of stock.
2: EF is at the end of it's high R&D costs. The 1DX MkIII is basically done in terms of R&D and the 5D MkV will be close too. After that I just don't see any more EF DSLR's, who'd buy a 6D III when they can have an RP or discounted R?
3: EF-M is a high volume but irregular regional money maker, but the specific market, in general, are not exotic lens buyers so little extra lens development is needed to keep the customer base happy. Niche lenses like the 32mm f1.4 and the 28mm f3.5 Macro keep many extras happy too.
4: RF is taking up nearly all the ILC R&D budget with a range of cameras and lenses laid out in a roadmap we would all love to be privy too. RF is the future for Canon.
Canon will likely keep producing EF-s and EF cameras and lenses as long as people keep buying them in enough volume to be attractive. At this point, Canon is being pretty much handed the DSLR market except for Nikon's high end cameras FF cameras. We may not be talking very much about EF cameras and lenses on Canon Rumors though.
 

stevelee

FT-QL
Jul 6, 2017
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ok, so why bring this up? Because our visual cortex doesn’t see motion the way it sees a still. While watching that movie, everything looks more than sharp enough. We don’t really see the grain, and small defects aren’t noticed. But when we print a still, it’s different. Suddenly, it’s soft, there may be scratches we need to fix, the grain is prominent.
A neighbor has a home in the mountains, and he shot some video at a ski resort. He had a shot where he had panned from left to right. He asked me whether I could make him a mural off of it. He wanted to frame it and put it on a wall in his house up there. I told him I'd give it a shot.

I took the clip into Photoshop and had it to extract every frame. Then I looked through some of the fames and came up with several sequences that each showed overlaps of about 1/3 and had Photoshop to stitch each set into panoramas. I picked out the one I thought looked best and edited it a bit and printed on 13" roll paper. The results are really good. I was quite surprised at how well that worked. I figured that in theory it would look softer at the very best.
 

HarryFilm

EOS 7D MK II
Jun 6, 2016
512
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The M5/M6 exist SOLELY for the reason that Smartphones DO NOT HAVE (i.e. NOT TODAY! But coming soon!) the requisite image quality and perception of depth that a larger sensor has.

These photos I took below were taken with a smartphone AND a cheap point-and-shoot! From afar and if you don't pixel-peep too much they are QUITE ACCEPTABLE for online/website display. For print? NO! It takes quite a bit of work to get them to output at a decent quality BUT again for web they are fine! This means FOR NOW, that the upcoming M5/M6 replacements will be viewed by MANY camera enthusiasts as viable GIFTS for family (i.e. high school or college kids!) and for use in many work-related or personal stills/video applications BECAUSE people will be taking photos SIMILAR to mine who do not need fancy gear! Truly portable and lightweight gear is what they really want!

I predict the NEW M5/M6 will sell quite well for about one to two years UNTIL people start realizing that newer smartphones with LARGER image sensors are now available as a COMBINED high-resolution stills/video camera AND super-smartphone.

ONLY THAT type of device will finally KILL OFF the Powershot-series, the M50, M100, M5/M6 and even the 7D/6D series of Canon cameras!

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A lot of moms, dads, grandparents and teens will be buying the NEW M5/M6 because they only need to photograph that which is similar to these below photos.
 

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