Canon EOS M5 Coming Before Photokina [CR3]

[Loswr]

Somehow it's still unbelievable that Canon continues to release cameras that are limited to 2 (TWO) megapixel video and wants consumers to shoot with that in the year 2017.

About as unbelievable as the fact that Canon continues to be the ILC market leader, and in 2016 their market share is growing. How the &$#*^% is it even possible that Canon understands the market better than you??

 

[ggweci]

Excited to see what this brings.

I am currently thinking of making the switch to mirrorless ILC and having it complement my FF Canon. Fuji is at the top of the list of me right now, as I have an X100S that I really like (minus the AF speed, which as been corrected in more current models). Also really like their selection of lenses.

But, if Canon goes serious with the M5 and the specs hint to that, it will be something for me to seriously consider. Especially since I've read great things about the 22mm and 11-22mm lenses. They just need to add a nice portrait length lense (50mm f2 at least) and it would cover most of my requirements for a compact system.

Also, the AF speed needs to be up there with the likes of Fuji at least, but would prefer Sony/Panasonic speed ideally.

 

[Luds34]

•24.2mp (80D sensor or some variant, we’re 90% sure on this)
•Built-in electronic viewfinder
•A new AF system (Could be the best new feature of the EOS M line)
•A more classical camera design, more in line with Fuji or Olympus

These look promising. Still, it's crop

tilting/swivel screen??? Big mistake if Canon doesn't have one.

Your bullet points are spot on. It would appear Canon is finally releasing something that will compete with the market leaders.

I'd add "crop" as a plus as well. A crop sensor seems to hit the sweet spot for mirrorless, big enough sensor to capture some real light and make a great picture while keeping the system (especially lenses) small and compact. Once we start talking A7 body/lens, well, I'll just shoot my 6D at that size point.

tilty screen, I'll personally pass but wouldn't cry if it had one.

 

[josephandrews222]

...I know I'm not the only poster here who values the size (small) and weight (light) of the M and M2--and for those of you who don't know the M2 is slightly smaller and slightly lighter than the original M.

So...after two weeks traveling throughout New England and the Province of Quebec...and getting some use out of a trio of L lenses mated to a 5DMkIII but more from the M2/11-22mm combination (and a bit from an S95)...I will be looking VERY carefully at the effect of an EVF on the size and weight of the upcoming new M.

The primary use of my Canon gear is for family, around-the-house photos, concert and vacation photos. For these uses (with some exceptions having to do with low-light situations), size-and-weight are of paramount import.

Bang-for-the-buck? The M2/11-22mm combo.

I do look forward to seeing the focus improvements in the new M.

Thanks for reading.

 

[lw]

The 22 and 11-22 are that good. The 22 alone is a "switcher" lens, IE an optic good enough to hook folk into the system. Ditto for the 11-22.

We all have different careabouts.
the 22mm was my least used lens. Niether wide enough nor long enough, and no IS for low-light shots. Sold it before I eventually sold the rest of my M kit.

The 22mm by itself certainly wouldn't hook me into the M system again.

 

[Loswr]

...I know I'm not the only poster here who values the size (small) and weight (light) of the M and M2--and for those of you who don't know the M2 is slightly smaller and slightly lighter than the original M.

So...after two weeks traveling throughout New England and the Province of Quebec...and getting some use out of a trio of L lenses mated to a 5DMkIII but more from the M2/11-22mm combination (and a bit from an S95)...I will be looking VERY carefully at the effect of an EVF on the size and weight of the upcoming new M.

Same here.

 

[ahsanford]

...I know I'm not the only poster here who values the size (small) and weight (light) of the M and M2--and for those of you who don't know the M2 is slightly smaller and slightly lighter than the original M.

So...after two weeks traveling throughout New England and the Province of Quebec...and getting some use out of a trio of L lenses mated to a 5DMkIII but more from the M2/11-22mm combination (and a bit from an S95)...I will be looking VERY carefully at the effect of an EVF on the size and weight of the upcoming new M.

Same here.

For EOS-M, agree. Keep it small.

For EOS-M-FF (or whatever we want to call it), don't fool around: chunky 5D grip 100% -- better for more room for bigger batteries and better to hold the f/1.4 primes and f/2.8 zooms we know people will bolt on to those rigs.

But on the FF mirroress mount, I am lost. I'm still violently undecided on Canon's biggest decision: go with a new fourth mount to keep things small vs. going full/native EF to not have to buy new lenses or mess with adaptors.

- A

 

[transpo1]

4k! 4k! 4k!

+1

It all sounds good expect for the lack for 4K.

People please have a healthy meeting with reality. Totally unrealistic expectations will only result in disappointments (and blaming Canon instead of your overhyped irrational expectations).

Just to clarify- in 2016 the expectation of 4K in a mirrorless camera is not unrealistic, only unrealistic to expect from Canon. They are the ones not delivering on our realistic expectations

 

[lw]

I don't care how big the M5 is - it can be as big as a DSLR for all I care, and would be nicer to hold if it was.
If you want small- then carry on using the M3/10 - they are not going to disappear.

What I want the M5 for is to banish the PITA that is MAF. I just want to attach a lens, any lens, (especially hired ones) and not have to go through the pain of MAFing it to get the best performance. Some lenses like my Sigma 150-600mm are truly awful to MAF (16 different MAF points) to the point I am thinking of ditching it...

Would love an M5 that allows me to happily hand hold my 70-200 F2.8 and 150-600mm with it, as I can with a DSLR.

I also happen to like EVFs (shock horror). Because I can review images without putting my reading glasses on.

(though other features will probably make the M5 unattractive to me no doubt)

 

[JPAZ]

Timing is everything!

My M1 sits in a bag virtually not being used. Got it when that "$199" special liquidation deal was active. Despite pretty good EQ, it has all the issues that have been very well discussed in these forums and frustrates me when I take it out for something. I am about to embark on a big trip and want an smaller and lighter extra camera body to bring along with the 5Diii and a kit. The M1 is an option but.........

After steadfastly refusing to get another "M" the recent deal on an M3 with an EVF sat in my gut stewing. An APS-C with 24 mP and an EVF in a small body seemed to fit the need. I already have the EF-M 22, the EF-M 18-55, and an EF-M to EF Adapter that is pretty sweet with the 40 mm f/2.8 pancake attached.

I purchased an M3 with EVF on August 28 and the day the box arrives from B&H, the CR announcement of an M5 shows up! Oh well, the new-to-be-announced camera won't be here in time for this trip so I can live with this. BTW, compared to the M1, the M3 is a dramatic improvement. It is small and light enough that I'll use it as a backup body, for some non-moving subject stills and maybe some video.

 

[Dylan777]

I wonder....what AvTvM thinks about M5 rumor specs

 

[ahsanford]

I wonder....what AvTvM thinks about M5 rumor specs

 

[Dylan777]

•24.2mp (80D sensor or some variant, we’re 90% sure on this)
•Built-in electronic viewfinder
•A new AF system (Could be the best new feature of the EOS M line)
•A more classical camera design, more in line with Fuji or Olympus

These look promising. Still, it's crop

tilting/swivel screen??? Big mistake if Canon doesn't have one.

Your bullet points are spot on. It would appear Canon is finally releasing something that will compete with the market leaders.

I'd add "crop" as a plus as well. A crop sensor seems to hit the sweet spot for mirrorless, big enough sensor to capture some real light and make a great picture while keeping the system (especially lenses) small and compact. Once we start talking A7 body/lens, well, I'll just shoot my 6D at that size point.

tilty screen, I'll personally pass but wouldn't cry if it had one.

Either crop or FF mirrorless, I think if we attach proper native lens to it weight and size is not much different.

For a7, FE 28mm f2, FE 35 f2.8, FE 55mm f1.8 are great choices as compact. Bigger f1.4 primes and f2.8 zooms are great options when needed.

Fuji has great selection of primes, once we reach to f1.4 areas we not really save much. Again, it's a great option to have.

 

[Dylan777]

I wonder....what AvTvM thinks about M5 rumor specs

LOL....CR will be more peaceful place with this rumor.

 

[ahsanford]

I wonder....what AvTvM thinks about M5 rumor specs

LOL....CR will be more peaceful place with this rumor.

I dunno, his EF-M 80mm f/2 IS in a pancake footprint that (obviously) millions of people want has not yet been rumored. That is the great AvTvM peacemaker, and I'm sure Canon is hard at work on it. ;D

- A

 

[1kind]

I say DPAF, won't have 4k, tilt touch screen. With the EVF, it won't be able to tilt up like the G1X Mark II.

I think it will be a marriage of the G5X and 80D

 

[noncho]

Am I the only person who thinks its odd that in a little over 4 years time Canon will have released 5 iterations of the M body and only 7 lenses, six of which are quite slow?

Same for me. It's a shame that there are no more small bright primes like 22/2. Canon says NO to the enthusiast market with more zoom lenses like 18-150.

 

[Ditboy]

"A more classical camera design, more in line with Fuji or Olympus" -does this mean classical like the Pro-2 and Pen-F?
When the G5 first came out I immediately thought that would be the way the M line would go. Doesn't matter, I'm comfortable with either form factor.
Sure hope it has DPAF, couple more fps, 1/8000, iso 16,000...basically the specs of the 80D would be really nice!

 

[lw]

Am I the only person who thinks its odd that in a little over 4 years time Canon will have released 5 iterations of the M body and only 7 lenses, six of which are quite slow?

Same for me. It's a shame that there are no more small bright primes like 22/2. Canon says NO to the enthusiast market with more zoom lenses like 18-150.

And in all the years of APS-C how many EF-S primes have they released?

As far as Canon are concerned fast = EF and that is why there is an adaptor.

They aren't about to start making primes in multiple mounts. No manufacturer does.

 

[ahsanford]

And in all the years of APS-C how many EF-S primes have they released?

Yep. The only primes made today by Canon in EF-S are the 24mm pancake and the 60mm macro (if memory serves).

Some of us (myself included) are saying that is a dumb position for Canon to hold. Expecting big pickle jar f/1.4 EF-M primes isn't going to happen, but a plurality of right-sized f/2 EF-M primes (hopefully with USM of some sort) would do wonders to attracting bigger dollar spenders to the brand.

An FF mirrorless offering, however, would be death sentence for fast primes for EOS M. All the bigger spenders would get that rig instead and EOS M would effectively become a mirrorless rebel, left to rot with plastic kit nastiness while the FF mount gets all the good stuff.

- A